Wednesday afternoon's Atlanta Braves lineup against Marlins left-handed starter Andrew Miller:
| 9/29 Braves Lineup vs. Andrew Miller | PA | AB | H | 2B | 3B | HR | RBI | BB | SO | BA | OBP | SLG | OPS |
| Omar Infante, 2B |
8 | 5 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 2 | 2 | 0 | .200 | .375 | .200 | .575 |
| Jason Heyward, RF |
5 | 4 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 1 | .250 | .400 | .250 | .650 |
| Matt Diaz, LF |
13 | 12 | 4 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 2 | .333 | .385 | .583 | .968 |
| Derrek Lee, 1B |
3 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0 | .000 | .333 | .000 | .333 |
| Alex Gonzalez, SS |
5 | 5 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | .200 | .200 | .200 | .400 |
| David Ross, C |
4 | 3 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0 | .333 | .500 | .667 | 1.167 |
| Brooks Conrad, 3B |
0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | n/a | n/a | n/a | n/a |
| Melky Cabrera, CF |
7 | 6 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0 | .000 | .143 | .000 | .143 |
| Derek Lowe, P |
3 | 2 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | .500 | .500 | .500 | 1.000 |
Diaz batting third is about as weird as Melky hitting fifth. I'm a little perturbed that Melky is in center. If not for the Hinske heroics, Melky's terrible left field play would have been the difference in the game. Now he's in center! Add to that terrible defense an 0-for-6 collar against Miller, and surely there is a better option:
| Others of note vs Andrew Miller |
PA | AB | H | 2B | 3B | HR | RBI | BB | SO | BA | OBP | SLG | OPS |
| Brian McCann | 6 | 6 | 3 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | .500 | .500 | .500 | 1.000 |
| Rick Ankiel | 5 | 5 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 3 | .400 | .400 | .400 | .800 |
| Nate McLouth | 3 | 2 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 0 | .500 | .667 | .500 | 1.167 |
| Eric Hinske | 2 | 2 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 1.000 | 1.000 | 2.500 | 3.500 |
| Troy Glaus | 1 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1.000 | 1.000 | 1.000 | 2.000 |
Lookiethere, better options aplenty. I guess Melk is getting the start because of his 2-for-4 last night and the whole lefty-righty thing. Prove us all wrong Melky.
Game time 4:35 people.
Marlins hitters vs. Derek Lowe after the jump:
| Marlins hitters vs. Derek Lowe |
PA | AB | H | 2B | 3B | HR | RBI | BB | SO | BA | OBP | SLG | OPS |
| Chad Tracy | 36 | 31 | 7 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 4 | 4 | 2 | .226 | .306 | .323 | .628 |
| Hanley Ramirez | 31 | 26 | 14 | 6 | 0 | 1 | 3 | 5 | 4 | .538 | .613 | .885 | 1.498 |
| Dan Uggla | 30 | 28 | 12 | 3 | 0 | 2 | 7 | 1 | 1 | .429 | .448 | .750 | 1.198 |
| Emilio Bonifacio | 14 | 13 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 3 | .154 | .214 | .154 | .368 |
| Wes Helms | 11 | 11 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 3 | .091 | .091 | .091 | .182 |
| Cameron Maybin | 6 | 3 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 3 | 1 | .333 | .667 | .333 | 1.000 |
| Gaby Sanchez | 5 | 4 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0 | .000 | .200 | .000 | .200 |
| Mike Stanton | 5 | 5 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 2 | .000 | .000 | .000 | .000 |
| Andrew Miller | 4 | 3 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 2 | .000 | .000 | .000 | .000 |
| Mike Rivera | 4 | 3 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | .000 | .000 | .000 | .000 |
| Brad Davis | 2 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 2 | .000 | .000 | .000 | .000 |
| Josh Johnson | 2 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | .000 | .000 | .000 | .000 |
| Logan Morrison | 2 | 2 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | .500 | .500 | .500 | 1.000 |
| Alex Sanabia | 2 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 2 | .000 | .000 | .000 | .000 |
| Clay Hensley | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | .000 | .000 | .000 | .000 |
| Anibal Sanchez | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | .000 | .000 | .000 | .000 |
| Total | 156 | 137 | 38 | 9 | 0 | 4 | 14 | 15 | 25 | .277 | .346 | .431 | .777 |
Let's hope Hanley's out of the lineup again.
0 recs | 73 comments
It has to be the righty thing. You are correct. Mu grandmother can play the outfield better then the MILK-Man. He is also a much better hitter from the left side. I would rather have Hinske in there. At least he has heart.
SBURROUGHS - September 29, 2010
Ehh... Infante and Heyward and
7 outs?
Richard R - September 29, 2010
Detailing the lineup’s history against the probable pitcher is a fantastic idea! Would love to see this in the series previews..
bwellnjonesco - September 29, 2010
It will be a part of what I hope to be expanded playoff coverage here on the Chop.
gondeee - September 29, 2010
Disagree.
SS451 - September 29, 2010
Hinske in Center, Glaus in Left, Heap in Right
Do it
SuperNewb - September 29, 2010 via mobile
Lefties are hitting .417 against Miller. Righties = .360. That said, bobby has been doing this almost all season, so it shouldn’t catch us off guard that he went almost all righties.
Buffalo Braves - September 29, 2010
Like i said before, Bobby makes the lineup drunk most days.
BravesFanScout - September 29, 2010
That's funny, cuz Bobby's lineups make ME drunk most days...
J-Freak - September 29, 2010
Who knows….I’d feel more comfortable w/ Ankiel starting (due to his arm and his avg against Miller), but whatever the lineup is, they need to score more than 3 today. Besides, the Cubs sweeping the Padres is hard to fathom….but what the hell, why not
El Soro - September 29, 2010
It’s not hard to fathom the cubs sweeping the padres now that they’ve won the first two. All they have to do is win two in a row (which we just saw them do). The odds are just shy of 25% (assuming, reasonably, that the cubs have just under a 50% chance of winning each of the remaining games).
epatl - September 29, 2010
Well, with Young pitching tonight....
…against Randy Wells, I say the Padres have the advantage. It’s times like these that I wish the Cubs would’ve held on to Lilly…
Undocorkscrew - September 29, 2010
…although the Pads recently beat Lilly and LAD.
Yakker - September 29, 2010
I’d probably have done something more like
Infante
Heyward
Lee
Ross
Diaz
Conrad
Gonzalez
McLouth
But batting order supposedly isn’t all that important.
redwards95 - September 29, 2010
Melky better be nontendered come November. Matt Young FTW
J-Freak - September 29, 2010
Those splits against Miller are meaningless.
Your biggest sample size is 13 PAs. Just gives us no data worth having.
SS451 - September 29, 2010
So what would be data worth having IYO. What’s the smallest sample size you’ll accept.
gondeee - September 29, 2010
SS451=Sample Size 451
He will never be satisfied..with anything..
bwellnjonesco - September 29, 2010
My AB data must be represented in scientific notation.
kidnarcolepsy - September 29, 2010
1.3*10^1
-InsertWittyNameHere- - September 29, 2010
For the rate stats you used...
principally OBP and SLG, the generally accepted point of stabilization is 500 PA. Get up over 100 and you at least have something worth talking about. Drawing conclusions from 13 PA worth of data is about as useful as interpreting bird entrails.
So yes, this does imply the conclusion that batter vs. pitcher stats are almost always meaningless, and that we actually know very little about how good any given batter is against any given hitter, in the sense of being able to project performance going forward. So it goes.
SS451 - September 29, 2010
I get what you’re saying, and I figured that’s exactly what you would say, but I just refuse to be that curmudgeonly about it. You can use stats like this, you just have to be aware of their limiting value. Basically these are “popcorn stats.” Kind of like mindless movies (popcorn flicks). Fun to watch and look at, but not redeeming in any way except as a fun little detour.
gondeee - September 29, 2010
Engineers..
Can’t live with them, can’t live without them..
bwellnjonesco - September 29, 2010
4 for 8 against certain pitcher = pwnage
0 for 8 = he’s due
Yakker - September 29, 2010
Wonder what the crowd will be like today....
I’m guessing small
kauf67 - September 29, 2010
I updated with Lowe’s stats against Marlins.
gondeee - September 29, 2010
SSS abound. Although someone above noted that lefties have been better than righties against this guy
kinda surprising…looks like we haven’t done our HW. Hopefully we do okay though. Looks like a mid-season sunday lineup
SouthernPanther - September 29, 2010
Let's win!
SuperHeyward - September 29, 2010
No Hanley
S. Cousins cf
E. Bonifacio ss
L. Morrison lf
D. Uggla 2b
G. Sanchez 1b
C. Tracy 3b
M. Stanton rf
B. Davis c
A. Miller p
Fatvirus - September 29, 2010
god
we should really beat the crap out of this lineup
Fatvirus - September 29, 2010
If not for Melky getting on base and scoring the only other run, Hinske’s HR would not have won the game…
justincredubil02 - September 29, 2010
True
But he was just making a point about his awful defense. He had a good night at the plate, but the chances of that happening on consecutive days are slim. His ability to play terrible defense is pretty consistent though.
Undocorkscrew - September 29, 2010
if not for San Diegos' horrible defense me may only be up 1 game
Lets be honest, there have been several players on this team in September that have:
A) Made errors in the field
B) Been in a hitting slump
At least Melky did well at the plate last night
Jtpdolphins2009 - September 29, 2010
*we may lol
Jtpdolphins2009 - September 29, 2010
Also true
…..but if Hinske doesn’t get at least one start in that Phillies series, I’ll flip out. What could it possibly hurt?
Undocorkscrew - September 29, 2010
It was nice for Melky to hit for one game, but I’ll put more weight on his level of play over the entire course of the year and hope he doesn’t start any more games.
redwards95 - September 29, 2010
It's funny
Not singling you out, but your sentiment sparked this thought: Sometimes I wonder what people would say and react if game 7 of the World Series was in extra innings, and both teams’ benches were depleted, and the only player left was Melky Cabrera, and he was brought in to face like Grant Balfour or something in the 17th with the GW runner on third with two outs, and statistically Melky was (paraphrased) 1-for-22 against him with 17K and 0BB. Naturally there will be many cringing at the matchup, and the OT would be nothing but a bunch of miserable posters condemning the matchup, but then Melky goes to lace a clean single, and the Braves win the World Series.
If this scenario happened in any other time, it’s considered a statistical anomaly versus size of sample, an unsustainable pattern, and a lucky hit that won’t happen again. But in this particular instance, it’s the greatest hit in recent Braves history, and it doesn’t matter what happens next, because next is another season, and for this season, the Braves are champions.
royhobbs - September 29, 2010
Sample size is only relevant when you want it to be, I guess lol
Undocorkscrew - September 29, 2010
Never underestimate...
The Cabrera Effect.
Francisco, Melky…coincidence?? Probably.
-C
cthabeerman - September 29, 2010
if not for melky's dumb ass play in left
the 2run HR would have been enough.
nuftjedi - September 29, 2010
Melky started the rally in the 7th inning that lead to the 3 runs
his hustle allowed him to score the tying run on the triple by Brooksy
We won the damn game, that is all that matters. let it go and leave Melky alone
Jtpdolphins2009 - September 29, 2010
Melky was on 2B when Conrad hit that triple....
It’s actually very difficult to score, regardless of the base the runners on, when the guy at the plate hits a triple.
Not to nitpick though. I’m glad Melky had a good night at the plate. But I just hate seeing him in the lineup every day.
Undocorkscrew - September 29, 2010
Lowe needs to hold the Marlins....
…through the first 4 or 5 innings. If he can do that, I like the chances of the offense getting to Miller the 2nd or 3rd time around in the order.
But it would be so fucking nice to see the Braves put 5 or 6 on the board in the first couple frames for a change.
Undocorkscrew - September 29, 2010
We would all love that
but its just too much to ask. We are all destined to suffer from hypertension and heart attacks with this team!
BravesDawg16 - September 29, 2010
I am so stoked right now!
Done with class for the day. Game starts in a little over an hour and the Braves have a magic number!!!!!!!!!!!!
and its 4 (but 2 wins will do)
ATLBRVS_19 - September 29, 2010
I have to watch it on the Florida stations
BLAH, but at least I get to watch it lol
Jtpdolphins2009 - September 29, 2010
Meh...don't feel bad.
At least you’re not at work til probably the 3rd or 4th inning like I am…SMH
DolphinNation - September 29, 2010
The OT is my friend today
Til I get home to crack a beer, or 7…
DolphinNation - September 29, 2010
Oh man, same here
I named my mute button ‘FSN.’ Those pricks are the absolute worst.
Has anyone noticed how they can’t get through a single game against the Braves without bringing up how Gabby Sanchez deserves the ROY more than Heyward? And I mean literally every game….
They’ve even gone on to say(about mid-season) that Sanchez has more upside of the two.
Undocorkscrew - September 29, 2010
Yes, I’ve noticed. Pretty effin’ annoying. And now the Giants are starting in with this Posey > Heyward nonsense too.
Yakker - September 29, 2010
Well that's more justified....
…because Posey may very well be better than Heyward. But if Heyward can stay healthy, there’s no doubt that he’ll be far and away a better player than Gabby Sanchez.
Undocorkscrew - September 29, 2010
Posey is probably considered the better of the two if positional value is taken into account, because Heyward doesn’t catch. Beyond that I’d give the edge to Heyward, but it’s not a very big one. As of now their OPS+ is virtually identical, with Posey flashing more power but J-Hey having better on-base skills. Heyward’s power numbers were sapped by that injury period though, so going forward I’d expect him to be the better player, especially after getting on base at damn near a .400 clip as a 20 year old rookie. You can’t teach that, and he’s only going to get better.
J-Freak - September 29, 2010
Don’t forget that 30% of Posey’s PT this year was at 1B. Also, for what it’s worth, Heyward has Posey beat in WAR, although Heyward has 30 extra games.
I think it’s a potentially interesting debate—the problem isn’t in raising the issue, it’s the way the yahoo Gints radio guys act as if it’s some travesty that Posey isn’t running away with the ROTY.
Yakker - September 29, 2010
one word
mute
knarf - September 29, 2010
WE WANT HINSKE!
MBL1 - September 29, 2010 via mobile
In Hinske We Trust
ATLBRVS_19 - September 29, 2010
Braves have to fire Snitker, right?
There’s no way he can start the season as the 3B coach. I talked about it last night here, but he’s been absolutely horrible. He’s making quite a few bucks to be bad at a relatively easy job. I’m good at my job and I probably don’t make half of what he does.
Undocorkscrew - September 29, 2010
So can we all apply to be the 3B coach next season (hopefully under Freddie G.)?
I’d love a raise…LMAO!!
DolphinNation - September 29, 2010
I'm for putting Chipper there for the rest of this year
This team already struggles with RISP enoug without him constantly stopping runners that can score and sending runners that can’t.
I think letting the runners make the decision is probably more effective than Snitker.
Undocorkscrew - September 29, 2010
As much as he is money...
…and I need him for my main fantasy team, I am glad to see Mac on the bench and Ross starting. McCann has been run out there like a rented mule recently.
cavebird - September 29, 2010
Next year we could have.....
….a KK, JJ, FF, MM, and a BB
If we can add a CC to that, we’d be looking pretty.
Undocorkscrew - September 29, 2010
Which CC?
SuperNewb - September 29, 2010
Sabathia? j/k
I think he means Carl Crawford.
TonyAlmeyda - September 29, 2010
Coco Crisp
Chris Capuano
Chris Carpenter
Chris Carter
Chris Coghlan
Casey Coleman
Clay Condrey
Chad Cordero
Craig Counsell
joshant - September 29, 2010
Carl Crawford
Undocorkscrew - September 29, 2010
What about adding
DD. David DeJesus
EE. Edwin Encarnacion
GG. Gio Gonzalez
LL. Louis Lane
PP. Placido Polanco
RR. Ramon Ramirez
SS. Skip Schumaker
TT. Troy Tulowistki
joshant - September 29, 2010
What about adding AA…Alfredo Amezaga!!
Yakker - September 29, 2010
or Alex Avila
joshant - September 29, 2010
Did the Braves....
….ever have a year where Andruw Jones, Brandon Jones, and Chipper Jones were all on the roster at some point?
Undocorkscrew - September 29, 2010
yes
s.r.j - September 29, 2010
2007 callups
I was at a game in DC where all three were in the lineup, but only Bjönes had to be denegrated with a first initial.
royhobbs - September 29, 2010
Umlaut?
Yakker - September 29, 2010
yup
Beeyones
royhobbs - September 29, 2010
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