The Braves could be close to acquiring much needed offensive help in the form of Cubs first baseman Derrek Lee, according to Chicago writer David Kaplan.
The Cubs are close to trading first baseman Derrek Lee to the Atlanta Braves, I have learned exclusively. The trade was first discussed on Sunday evening when the Braves called Cubs GM Jim Hendry and expressed interest [...]
As a 10-5 man (10 years in the major leagues and the last five with the same team) Lee has the right to reject a trade as he did when the Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim tried to acquire him in late July. However, sources close to Lee tell us that he will approve a deal to Atlanta because the Braves are leading their division thus giving him a shot at winning another World Series ring.
The deal would not involve any major Braves prospects, but Atlanta would likely pick up much of the remaining salary on Lee. The only hold-up is apparently the Braves concern over Lee's troubled back, which has led him to miss the last few games. Lee is a free agent after this season.
Lee has hit .313 with a .939 OPS since the All-Star break while Troy Glaus has hit just .196 with a .595 OPS since the break. Clearly this would be a rip and replace kind of deal, with the Braves hoping to benefit from a rejuvenated Derrek Lee.
The Braves probably wouldn't have to give up too much if anything in return. The Cubs are apparently seeking some salary relief for the rest of the year, so it may be the always lovable "player to be named later." We have tons of C-plus pitching that the Cubs would enjoy. I would think if we did give up anyone, it wouldn't be more than a Scott Diamond type player.
More on this as the situation develops.
MLBTR reports that Lee "projects" to be a Type-B free agent at the end of the year, meaning if the Braves acquire him and offer him arbitration and he were to sign with another team, we would get a first round supplemental pick. MLBTR also says that Lee is owed $3.4 million between now and the end of the season.
UPDATE 11:15am:
Some Atlanta beat writers have chimed in via Twitter with positive thoughts that this deal will get done, and Ken Rosenthal says that the deal "has legs." We may simply have to wait a day or two for a clean bill of health on Derrek Lee's bum back. Along those same lines, the Braves may not initially trade anyone to the Cubs for Lee, instead agreeing upon a player to be named later. This could be any of several players and would likely be based on how well Lee performs once in a Braves uniform. This would protect Atlanta from surrendering a good prospect in the event that Lee re-injures his back.
A possible Lee acquisition also means that we likely won't see Freddie Freeman get a call-up this year.
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Hmmmm. Interesting.
10-4 - August 18, 2010
well that is exactly what i said to myself before I opened up the comments.
CharlotteChop - August 18, 2010
FW said this week that
FF was not going to b joining the club this month
ChitownBravos - August 18, 2010
reply fail?
10-4 - August 18, 2010
yup
ChitownBravos - August 18, 2010
Well, that’s certainly not the worst idea I’ve seen around these parts.
Rhyno18 - August 18, 2010
Who do we give them??
Would we say good-bye to Glaus? What’s Lee’s contract look like?
mdhenshaw - August 18, 2010
This is my question – what do they want for him?!
Lauren T. - August 18, 2010
My thoughts went to where does Glaus go?...
DL him to rest his legs and see if he can still handle 3B, or else he moves to the bench or works a 2 on, 2 off type arrangement with Lee to keep both fresh and healthy since they both have health issues?
Mr. Sanchez - August 18, 2010
This is the ultimate question. Can Glaus make the throw from 3B? If so, this is a great deal. If not, I hate it. And I’m really hoping that Glaus heard this straight from Wren rather than via rumor and innuendo. Last thing ATL needs is for Lee’s back to not check out and have a disgruntled Glaus at 1B.
Yakker - August 18, 2010
glaus’s arm isn’t the problem. It’s that he can’t move at all.
telemakhos - August 18, 2010
Even for first base, it would be great to get him a couple of weeks off to regain his legs. I had been kinda hoping Freddie would be brought up to do just that, but this works at least at well… if that’s indeed where we’re going.
carpengui - August 18, 2010
If the idea is to give Glaus two weeks to rest, I’d prefer a simpler way to do that which didn’t cost $3M+.
Yakker - August 18, 2010
Bear in mind...
Those two weeks are 40% of the remaining season and we’re in a pennant race.
I’d be okay with giving him all the time he needs going down the stretch, if Lee can prove to be equally effective. Three weeks, four, whatever he needs. The same goes for Lee, should his back prove to be an issue.
If both can find themselves healthy during the final two weeks, I think we’re a veritable postseason lock. Not to mention the fact that we’ll be able to play the hot hand come playoffs time.
I’d bring up the DH situation as well, but no need to get ahead of ourselves just yet.
-C
cthabeerman - August 18, 2010
I’d rather use that $3M+ to fix the 3B problem than spell Glaus for two weeks, because I wonder what else that $3M could buy right now. But Wren obviously knows more about this than we do on the outside looking in. I do think having a healthy Glaus and Lee at the corners in September would be way sick.
Yakker - August 18, 2010
Then again...
You’ve got to believe that with two weeks of rest, Glaus will suddenly become an above-average hitter and a decent fielder again. I think that would be wishful thinking at best.
MichaelProcton - August 18, 2010
Ankiel is a BUM!
Ankiel needs to sit….He’s another version of Nate Mclouth. Melky has the 2nd best BA on the team. He should be our starting CF, Period. He has a great arm and his defense is good enough, if not, great.
If we get Lee, and Glaus can play some 3rd base, WOW. But i doubt he can play the hot corner with two bum knees anyways. But just a though…
Prado
Heyward(Hate him batting 2nd)
Glaus(Playing 3rd base)
BMac
Lee
Gonzalez
Cabrera
Henskie
Theres no holes in this lineup besides the Pitcher. Oh wait, in pinch-hitting situations we have All Star Omar Infante off the bench or Raw Dog……ARE YOU KIDDING ME!!!!! My fingers are shaking as I am writing. LETS DO THIS
AlRoBraves95 - August 18, 2010
I don't know whether to classify this...
As a reply fail, rant fail, topic fail, or just a general thread fail.
Sumwon halp me plz…
-C
cthabeerman - August 18, 2010
Not your $3 mil.
And Lee should be a solid addition to the lineup regardless.
MichaelProcton - August 18, 2010
Of course it's not my money
You missed the point. If the Braves really have an extra $3M to pay towards this year’s playoff chase, I think they could use it more wisely than adding another 1B and sitting/shelving Glaus.
Yakker - August 18, 2010
On, say...?
I mean, I know that sounds nice and all, but Glaus obviously isn’t going to get better on his own at this point, and I don’t see a better name than Lee to insert into the lineup.
MichaelProcton - August 18, 2010
No idea. I’d prefer someone who could play 3B like Figgins, but I get that he would have cost more/meant we’d lose some prospects.
Fundamentally, it seems clear that you and others weigh the last 6 weeks of Glaus’s offensive struggles much more heavily than I do, and that’s fine.
Yakker - August 18, 2010
If he can move at 1B, he can move at 3B. In fact, he technically probably has to move less at 3B than 1B, since he doesn’t have to get to the bag. But it’s all a moot point—down below in the thread someone mentioned that Wren said Glaus wouldn’t be an option for 3B.
So I guess this really would be a Lee vs. Glaus deal. Not sure I like that.
Yakker - August 18, 2010
But that was based on the health of his legs Yakker...
could a DL stint allow his legs to heal enough for the hot corner?
http://blogs.ajc.com/atlanta-braves-blog/2010/08/12/comments-from-gm-frank-wren-about-chippers-injury/?cxntfid=blogs_atlanta_braves_blog
"Yes. I don’t think Troy at this point, based on the health of his legs, that that makes a lot of sense to put him over there and put him in that position."
Mr. Sanchez - August 18, 2010
Could be…I guess we’ll have to wait and see how this all plays out. If Glaus is an option for 3B in September, we can certainly “muddle through” 2 weeks with him on the shelf and Lee at 1B.
Yakker - August 18, 2010
So confused...
You guys act like Glaus has done something for the team since mid June. He came through with a couple hits this week, prior that he had done nothing offensively since he cooled off the second half of June. I have no idea why you’d ever want to start Glaus at third base over Prado anyways. Infante is going to do a hell of a lot more damage at the plate than Glaus, so you want both in the lineup. Lee will be a HUGE upgrade defensively over Glaus, and has the potential to do better at the plate as well. I certainly don’t think he can do any worse.
Let’s try to remember that unfortunately for Glaus, the season is longer than 1.5 months long. Glaus has arguably been the weakest link on this team since he cooled down. And yes, this is considering the Braves outfield situation.
kamujin - August 18, 2010
I think your confusion stems from the fact that some of us don’t make assessments based on the most recent 6 weeks of data.
I do think Lee is a marginal upgrade over Glaus—I just think they could have made more impact with the $3M had they spent it elsewhere.
Yakker - August 18, 2010
You'd prefer just to take the best six weeks of data from what's been a three-and-a-half month season?
MichaelProcton - August 18, 2010
No, I look at a much longer track record of success than that
Yakker - August 18, 2010
+1
MichaelProcton - August 18, 2010
I don't think that would help enough.
Maybe miracles would happen, but the last five months of damage aren’t going to heal in two weeks.
MichaelProcton - August 18, 2010
Yes.
He was fine at third down the stretch for StL last year.
MichaelProcton - August 18, 2010
He's got a no trade clause
and is signed through the rest of this year. So obviously, just a stopgap until Freeman next year.
BigG1392 - August 18, 2010
I think they want to not pay the approximately 3.6 million remaining on his contract which is what we “give” them. All in all I don’t think it would be all that bad for us, gives us a middle of the order type player and he’s in the final year of his contract so we’re not saddled with a terrible Cubs contract going forward.
DeadlyWalrus - August 18, 2010
Yeah
And the fact that he is RH is the reason we’re considering this over just promoting Freeman, who is LH.
BigG1392 - August 18, 2010
I'll take it
I especially like the part about taking on salary over giving up prospects.
BigG1392 - August 18, 2010
On the surface...
I love the deal…Glaus is stuggling too much…Imagine the top of the order:
1. Infante
2. Heyward (seems he is stuck here)
3. Prado
4. Lee/McCann
5. Lee/McCann
Of course, there are many details that I want to know before I get too excited.
Jman781 - August 18, 2010
Sweet!
If this report is true, then I’m thrilled. Lee is a terrific power hitter and also a huge upgrade defensively over Glaus. I guess Troy would just be a bench bat if this happens?
KC Ryan - August 18, 2010
And spot starter to give Lee's back some rest.
MichaelProcton - August 18, 2010
this is good on the field
but I’m concerned about off the field, unless I’m thinking of Carlos Zambrano
southman - August 18, 2010
I’m pretty sure that was all in Zambrano’s head.
gondeee - August 18, 2010
yeah, Lee looked at him like he was (is) insane
Chief Noc-A-Homa - August 18, 2010
Lee has also won a championship.
mdhenshaw - August 18, 2010
You are thinking of Zambrano.
Yes, Lee had a run-in with Zambrano in the dugout, but that was all Zambrano and landed Zambrano on the restricted list. I don’t recall any clubhouse issues at all with Lee.
cavebird - August 18, 2010
I don't blame Lee
Zambrano is an airhead, he needs to be put in his place every now and then.
BigG1392 - August 18, 2010
I didn't
I just couldn’t remember who it was
southman - August 18, 2010
I believe you're thinking of Big Z
I’ve only ever heard good things about Lee’s character. His argument with Big Z was all Zambrano
ByrneSupremacy - August 18, 2010
Lee
Was trying to get Big Z to calm down.
Lee is a leader in the clubhouse, which is what we need with Chipper being gone.
I like it.
dragonhawk26 - August 18, 2010
Lee is regarded as one of the best team guys in the game. That was all Zambrano, do not be concerned about that.
CharlotteChop - August 18, 2010
that's reassuring
southman - August 18, 2010
no really it is
southman - August 18, 2010
Yeah, you are.
MichaelProcton - August 18, 2010
This would be....
very very nice.Maybe not on the order of Crime Dog, but close. At this point I could live with losing a prospect for this. When going well, he can mash with the best of em.Class act too…
mikie baseball - August 18, 2010
Cubs fan here, from Bleed Cubbie Blue
There may be something to this rumor, but at the moment, it’s just a rumor.
Despite Lee’s good hitting since the ASB, as you note, he can be very streaky and has now missed the last two games with back problems. As noted, he has 10-and-5 rights and earlier this year rejected trades to the Angels and Rangers.
So, in short, who knows?
Al Yellon - August 18, 2010
Is it his back
Or are they holding him out while the trade discussions are going on?
RUUUUUUUUUUMOR!
gramsey712 - August 18, 2010
ugh
back problems……
Chief Noc-A-Homa - August 18, 2010
that’s the only red flag for this trade
wisco - August 18, 2010
Did he?
I didn’t hear anything about the Rangers, just the Angels (who obviously are a far lesser team.)
MichaelProcton - August 18, 2010
Waivers
I guess Lee has already been placed on and passed through waivers?
CharlotteChop - August 18, 2010
As far as I know, yes, Lee has cleared waivers.
Al Yellon - August 18, 2010
thanks
CharlotteChop - August 18, 2010
How has Lee's defense been lately with the back?
Even if he can’t bend over, he’s better than Troy — but my recollection of Lee is that he’s fringe-outstanding with the glove?
fphjr01 - August 18, 2010
3 GG at 1B, last in 07. I know GG can be a popularity contest but that’s all I’m going off of to say he is pretty good with the glove.
CharlotteChop - August 18, 2010
1.0 UZR/150 career, 3.8+ the last three years.
MichaelProcton - August 18, 2010
TRADE CASH
lately cash has not been living up to his potential
NJoverNY - August 18, 2010
I agree with this….He started good, but has really tailed off as of late
KJDH2154 - August 18, 2010
give him some time.
MBL1 - August 18, 2010
he’s been heating up lately!
Darin H - August 18, 2010
He hit a new low against the yen last week.
Trade the bum.
Chopaholic - August 18, 2010
His splits against the Euro are still good, even with his bulging greenback.
Darin H - August 18, 2010
I’m skeptical.
1B is not our weekness lately. We just lost our 3B and have bad bats at both SS and CF (assuming Ankiel is the starter now).
Lee’s back worries me more than anything, but if we could alternate him and Glaus, keeping both healthy, that would be quite a 1B tandem.
justincredubil02 - August 18, 2010
1B is a weakness both offensively and defensively the past three months.
mdhenshaw - August 18, 2010
this.
fandave - August 18, 2010
Our outfield is fine
Hinske/Diaz platoon/Melky/Heyward… Ankiel is just Nate McLouth 2.0
And I wouldn’t call Alex Gonzalez a “bad bat”, definitely not 3-hole caliber, but a good bottom of the order run producer.
BigG1392 - August 18, 2010
He is not gonna give up on Glaus
Or accept that Gonzalez is decent.
gramsey712 - August 18, 2010
This statement makes me laugh out loud.
justincredubil02 - August 18, 2010
If our OF were Hinske/Diaz, Melky and Heyward, I would agree.
Sadly, Ankiel has been starting in CF.
justincredubil02 - August 18, 2010
At least Ankiel didn’t start last night which hopefully means that Bobby realized that Ankiel hits lefties like he’s blindfolded.
DeadlyWalrus - August 18, 2010
I may be odd...
I like both DLowe and Melky…I would have Melky start every game in CF…
Jman781 - August 18, 2010
You are not alone on Melky. He is clearly the best option for CF and has been hitting respectably since May.
justincredubil02 - August 18, 2010
I hate to say it
but I agree. Melky has been the best option for CF since May but I hope Ankiel can take that title
Braves24 - August 18, 2010
I’ve gotten to really like Melky. Granted, he’s not the most talented ballplayer, but he gets the job done and busts his butt out there. Right now I’d rather see him in center than Ankiel.
John Holton - August 18, 2010
Ankiel
Has more upside than Melky in CF. Ankiel has better range defensively, and has more power at the plate. Melky was a sure out just about every plate appearance early in the season. He’s picked it up lately, but I prefer him in left field defensively.
Ankiel hasn’t done much at the plate yet, but I can’t believe you guys are acting like Cabrera did anything for the first 3 months of the season. Ankiel will strike out a lot, but when he does put it in play it is usually going for extra bases, all you really need from a bottom 3 guy.
kamujin - August 18, 2010
Just like everyone else on the team not named Heyward or Prado.
justincredubil02 - August 18, 2010
Melky has been really good since May 20. You say he sucked for the first 3 months? Try the first 5-6 weeks.
justincredubil02 - August 18, 2010
Well, first base is our weakness lately. Glaus flat out sucks. In the 2nd half, Glaus is hitting .196/.291/.304 compared to gonzo’s .245/.311/.407 since joining the braves. Also gonzo can play defense and glaus runs like forrest gump before he got his leg braces off.
telemakhos - August 18, 2010
By lately, do you mean over the past few months or the past week or so? Because they are two different stories from Glaus.
justincredubil02 - August 18, 2010
or do I mean last night’s 0fer with a hat trick and a botched double play thrown in
telemakhos - August 18, 2010
Who had an 0-for?
justincredubil02 - August 18, 2010
1/5, 2B, RBI – not a breakout performance, but need to be accurate.
CharlotteChop - August 18, 2010
whoops, that’s right, I missed the end of the game. still not a good performance
telemakhos - August 18, 2010
Glaus
Last 7 days:
.200/.238/.450/.688 with 1 HR, 5 RBIs, and 7 Ks…Not exactly killing it…
Jman781 - August 18, 2010
HES ON FIRE
ATLandUNC - August 18, 2010
More like heating up…
justincredubil02 - August 18, 2010
2 multihit games in his last 26 starts
ATLandUNC - August 18, 2010
and 2 HRs and 2 multi-hit games in his last 10 games…hence the “heating up” part of my post.
justincredubil02 - August 18, 2010
In his last 10 games his average has dropped 3 points, his OBP 10 points, his slugging 4 points, and his OPS 15 points.
Justin. He is not heating up. He is continuing to suck.
ATLandUNC - August 18, 2010
But...
Even you admitted, a Glaus/Lee combo would be pretty sweet. I 100% feel that the problem with Glaus is his health, not his skill.
With time off, Glaus will be fine, and in the meantime, having Lee would be a nice insurance policy.
Jman781 - August 18, 2010
well said
saipol - August 18, 2010
;-)
Jman781 - August 18, 2010
Glaus hits when the game is out of hand
When it counts he Ks, pops up or hits into a DP. He was lucky his team bailed him out after he popped up to Loney with 2 on and 0 out. Also the day he had the two hits one was a pop up to RF that the guy lost in the sun. Glaus stinks bro. just face it.
Jay212033 - August 18, 2010
reminisces about pat burrell….
PHIGHTINPHILS - August 18, 2010
A week is DEFINITELY enough data to make pennant race decisions on.
MichaelProcton - August 18, 2010
I will have to disagree...
Firstbase is the the position struggling the most of late…We lost our 3B but can replace him with Prado…
And like you said, we can rotate Glaus and Lee to keep both fresh…Then, when we face the AL team in the WS, one can be a DH…
Jman781 - August 18, 2010
this
ByrneSupremacy - August 18, 2010
Prado cannot replace Chipper. Prado was already in the lineup with Chipper. If he replaces Chipper, then you have to replace Prado with someone.
That just cannot be done with this current roster.
justincredubil02 - August 18, 2010
Infante replaces Prado
ByrneSupremacy - August 18, 2010
Infante cannot replace Prado. Prado is a much better hitter than Infante.
justincredubil02 - August 18, 2010
Remember, however...
…we are past the non-waiver trade deadline. We can’t just grab anyone we want. Even if we could use a 3B or CF more, if Lee improves the team for a middling prospect and a little bit of cash, why not do it? It isn’t like we are likely to find something better at a position we need from someone who clears waivers.
cavebird - August 18, 2010
This...
The teams behind us are much more likely to block a 3B than a 1B, in my opinion…
Jman781 - August 18, 2010
I’m not against the move. If it is the best move that can be made, then so be it. I just think we have bigger weaknesses that should be addressed that 1B.
Even if Glaus doesn’t get it back together, Freeman is an in-house option that saves $3.4M over the next 2 months.
justincredubil02 - August 18, 2010
And has no experience whatsoever.
That’s what you want to throw into a division race against the favorites of the whole league?
MichaelProcton - August 18, 2010
he hasn’t done too bad a job over the past 17 games. He’s hitting .348/.375/.478 in August with regular playing time
ByrneSupremacy - August 18, 2010
Ahem...
Infante…Ahem…
But you want Infante on the bench? Of you feel he needs to be in LF?
Have you seen Infante of late?
Jman781 - August 18, 2010
Infante sucks lately
Meanwhile: Glaus is heating up
gramsey712 - August 18, 2010
See. This is why we can never have rational discussions around here. People are always tying to make things extreme.
Glaus is heating up – that is something that cannot be denied. He is starting to hit and to hit for power.
Meanwhile, never once have I said that Infante sucks. I love Infante.
justincredubil02 - August 18, 2010
“Glaus is heating up – that is something that cannot be denied”
Except that you know, the stats completely deny that.
But lets ignore those.
ATLandUNC - August 18, 2010
This.
MichaelProcton - August 18, 2010
Actually it can be denied.
I think it is arguable either way. Glaus over his last 7 games is .200/.238/.450/.688 with 1 HR, 5 RBIs, and 7 Ks. That is better than he was doing before then, so you could say it is heating up. On the other hand, it still pretty much sucks, so that makes it hard to say he is heating up.
cavebird - August 18, 2010
So it's like an ice cube
heating up to become an ice-cold cup of water…Still really, really cold, but in comparison, a little warmer?
Jman781 - August 18, 2010
Exactly. I never have said Glaus is back to his May form – only starting to head in that direction.
justincredubil02 - August 18, 2010
I like Glaus and I don’t know stats like some of you guys, but I haven’t missed a game in about a month and besides some hits here and there (and admittingly many of them when game is already decided) he just looks really weak. My thought is that a platoon of Glaus and Lee could allow them to spell each other and perhaps allow both of them to perform at a strong level down the stretch.
jbeachbum24 - August 18, 2010
Omar in the last 7 days:
.440/.462/.640
Say what now?
KoKo the Monkey (T-Bone) - August 18, 2010
I’ll say it again:
justincredubil02 - August 18, 2010
Sorry
Meant to reply to gramsey
KoKo the Monkey (T-Bone) - August 18, 2010
I was being sarcastic
Infante is awesome
gramsey712 - August 18, 2010
Oh gotcha
Sorry. Quickly scrolling through comments and yours jumped out at me for obvious reasons.
KoKo the Monkey (T-Bone) - August 18, 2010
Infante is awesome for what he is – a bench/utility guy.
As an everyday player, his numbers are kind of average – which isn’t a bad thing, but isn’t exactly Chipper-esque, which is who he would be replacing in this scenario.
justincredubil02 - August 18, 2010
His numbers, sans OBP, would actually probably be better than the 2009/2010 Chipper.
ATLandUNC - August 18, 2010
So, essentially, other than not being as good at not making outs, Infante is a better hitter than Chipper this season?
OBP is a big part of hitting – probably the most important part.
justincredubil02 - August 18, 2010
the most important part, but not the only part. Fact of the matter is that infante has been as productive as we could have hoped for from chipper since he took over.
telemakhos - August 18, 2010
For Justin, hitting .340 in over 300 appearances just won’t cut it as anything more than a utility guy.
Chief Noc-A-Homa - August 18, 2010
Show me where I said Infante sucks.
Please. Search all through this entire website and find one instance where I said Infante is not good.
justincredubil02 - August 18, 2010
You didn't say he sucked...
But you did say that Infante makes Gonzo look like Hanley Ramirez…
Oh, wait…You didn’t say that.
Jman781 - August 18, 2010
There's a difference between saying someone sucks, and constantly underrating them.
Chief Noc-A-Homa - August 18, 2010
300 sporadic appearances in which his BABIP is ridiculously high.
MichaelProcton - August 18, 2010
Darn you, Chipper!
Why couldn’t you have blown your knee out in July?! That would’ve made trading much easier…
I kid, I kid, but the problem is that we lost Chipper at a time when are a bit handcuffed. As cavebird said, the options are limited.
You have to at least applaud the FO for trying to make a big move. I honestly felt that they were going to do nothing. You can’t argue that this isn’t better than no moves at all. Can you? Yes, Freeman COULD be good, but we just don’t know. I know that Lee is a solid 1B…And I know that Glaus needs to rest more than Bobby will rest him without another legit 1B on the team.
Also, I like this move better than a move for Figgins, Inge, or Ramirez (if those are other options). I just do. At a minimum, Infante has earned the benefit of the doubt and needs to be out there everyday.
Jman781 - August 18, 2010
Well...
Unlike a move for Figgins or Ramirez, it doesn’t handcuff us with regards to future salary/contract obligations. That’s definitely a good thing. It would be tough to bring him on with injury concerns, watch him stumble, and know he’d be around to potentially block Freeman next year, too.
MichaelProcton - August 18, 2010
Wow.
I love how no matter how well infante hits, he isn’t a good hitter. The guy has the hottest bat in our lineup for the past month. He’ll do fine defensively at second and he bats for a high average consistently. Prado will stay in the lineup at third. Losing chipper sucks, but we need a first baseman, not a 3rd baseman.
kamujin - August 18, 2010
Who said Infante wasn’t a good hitter?
I said that he cannot replace Chipper – then again, 99% of baseball players can’t. That isn’t a slight to Infante at all.
justincredubil02 - August 18, 2010
...
I’d argue that he is a better replacement for Chipper than anything we’re going to get elsewhere. He isn’t going to hit the home runs like chipper, but he’ll play well enough defensively and he’ll hit for average. In fact, now that he is going to be an everyday hitter, he is a legitimate threat for the NL batting title, because he may get enough AB now. He’s hitting .341, current qualifiying NL leader is hitting .325. Hard to argue against those numbers, even if they take a hit playing everyday, which they haven’t so far.
kamujin - August 18, 2010
"Bats for a high average consistently?"
Maybe, if you consider him only as a part time player. The last time he was an everyday regular (a two-year stretch in ’04 & ’05), he hit .245 over nearly 1000 PAs. To match that total in PT has taken him roughly the last four years.
MichaelProcton - August 18, 2010
Could some time off...
get Glaus moving around well enough to handle 3B?
Mr. Sanchez - August 18, 2010
Hmmmmm....
I just don’t know…I really like Prado/Conrad/Infante at 3rd…But who knows what some solid time off could do? Maybe they experiment late in games (that are out of hand) to see what happens.
Jman781 - August 18, 2010
Or he gets to spend a little time on the DL to rest...
and works a game or two at the hot corner on rehab.
Mr. Sanchez - August 18, 2010
Agree...
Also, what about Hinske at 3rd sometimes? Maybe? Nah.
Jman781 - August 18, 2010
Doesn't seem like he's much of an option at3rd...
having only 1 inning there all year
Mr. Sanchez - August 18, 2010
I like where your head is at.
justincredubil02 - August 18, 2010
On his shoulders?
Jman781 - August 18, 2010
Theoretically.
But I doubt it.
MichaelProcton - August 18, 2010
we all r know how streaky glaus is...
he sucked worse than this at the beginning of the season…he said himself that hitting comes in cycles…remember when he heated up last time? he iddnt just surge to the top, it took hitting that first homer and comming around… If glaus can get healthy, we have every reason to believe he can go on another 6 week tear
willlinn - August 18, 2010
The difference then...
was that in April, he was hitting the ball, and hitting it hard. He’s not doing that now. He’s striking out more, and when he is making contact, it’s not with nearly the same solidity as it was in April. His BABIP (if i remember correctly) was pretty low in April…I doubt that’s still the case.
hailtogeorgia - August 18, 2010
He is hitting the ball hard right now – maybe not as often as he did in April (He was one of the unluckiest hitters that month), but he is hitting it hard – several lined shots that have been caught, the HRs, the double, etc.
Now for the Ks, I don’t think he is striking out at a higher rate than normal. He has always been a high K% hitter. I don’t know the K% stats right now though, so maybe it is up just a bit, but I doubt it. His walks are down – which is highly unusual. I don’t know what is causing that – maybe he is pressing too much to get out of the slump?
Once he starts waiting on his pitch like he did earlier in the season, he will draw more walks and get more hits – theoretically.
justincredubil02 - August 18, 2010
His K rate this month is insanely bad
Like 7 or 8 percent higher than his season average. Maybe its random, but it certainly doesn’t look good.
nixa37 - August 18, 2010
This is a ridiculous argument
AUG K-rates:
Derrek Lee 30.6%
Troy Glaus 31.3%
Bronn - August 18, 2010
I wasn't comparing the two
Justin said he doesn’t think Glaus is striking out at a higher rate than normal, when he clearly is. I don’t see where anyone mentioned Lee in the posts you’re replying to.
nixa37 - August 18, 2010
The comparison was Glaus in April vs. Glaus in August.
Not Glaus vs. Lee.
hailtogeorgia - August 18, 2010
Why would you believe he can get healthy?
He’s shown no signs of breaking out or improving physically.
MichaelProcton - August 18, 2010
Glaus since the break
.196/.291/.304 with an OPS of .595
2 HR – 12 RBI
Gonzalez since the break
.241/.311/.407 with an OPS of .719
3 HR -14 RBI
Yet you want to call Gonzalez a “bad bat” and continue to support Glaus?
You never fail to amaze me.
ATLandUNC - August 18, 2010
This statement makes him laugh out loud
gramsey712 - August 18, 2010
it’s about trends towards career numbers. Glaus is by far the superior hitter over their careers, and his numbers lately are trending back towards those career numbers – he is hitting his career average with 7 hits in the past 10 games including 2 HRs. The one thing that is missing from his numbers over the past week and a half are the walks.
Meanwhile, Gonzalez, who sucks as a hitter for his career, has started to trend in the opposite direction with a line of .211 .256 .289 .545 over his past 10 games.
Granted, both are SSS, but if you look at this with rational eyes instead of ridiculous homeristic support for Gonzalez, you can see the writing on the wall.
justincredubil02 - August 18, 2010
"but if you look at this with rational eyes"
This coming from you almost made me spit up my morning coffee
ATLandUNC - August 18, 2010
Yeah, I am always the irrational one who defends such sucky players as Melky, Glaus, KJ, KK, etc.
justincredubil02 - August 18, 2010
No, you just pick a player to supper and then continue to make ridiculous claims and cherry pick stats to support said player, long after the battle has been lost.
ATLandUNC - August 18, 2010
Riiiiiight.
justincredubil02 - August 18, 2010
You are saying Glaus is heating up
….
ATLandUNC - August 18, 2010
My bad. I only have imagined that he has hit 2 HR in the past week, and is starting to hit the ball hard again. That actually never happened.
justincredubil02 - August 18, 2010
Which of those 2 HR
Have come when the Braves needed them?
Jay212033 - August 18, 2010
Oh good lord, really? This argument again?
justincredubil02 - August 18, 2010
It's no argument
It’s the freakin truth that your choosing to overlook!
Jay212033 - August 18, 2010
ok.
justincredubil02 - August 18, 2010
If by “hitting the ball hard again,” you mean foul balls and grounding to SS, then sure.
Chief Noc-A-Homa - August 18, 2010
he as flied out deep and hit some towering doubles recently
willlinn - August 18, 2010
people should be more respectful to a guy that carried this team
literally carried them on his own one man show for a month…serriously, we wouldnt be here if it wasnt for him… even if lee is a good option, you fans should have a little more respect for glaus… those of you who dont can suck my nuts
willlinn - August 18, 2010
Nice!
Very solid logic. Everyone knows what he meant to this team in May and June, but that’s no longer the case. I defended him in April as much as anyone, but it’s different now. He needs to be replaced with someone who will perform better.
hailtogeorgia - August 18, 2010
I'll give him his props, but he fell off the freaking wagon there, boss.
It aint gonna cut it in the playoffs. It’s that simple. If I’m wrong, I’m wrong. But I don’t think the best is yet to come.
Chief Noc-A-Homa - August 18, 2010
Respect≠turning a blind eye to how awful he's been since the end of May.
MichaelProcton - August 18, 2010
I concur
Mr. Sanchez - August 18, 2010
7 hits in 10 games is really bad and you frame it like a good thing.
telemakhos - August 18, 2010
Ooops. Didn’t mean 7 hits in 10 games. I meant he has hit safely in 7 of the past 10 games. A few multihit games in there.
justincredubil02 - August 18, 2010
just looked it up. he has 9 hits in 10 games. still pretty damn bad. also, he has 11 K’s in that time and 4 GIDP.
telemakhos - August 18, 2010
GIDP should be somewhat expected due to the piano that he carries around with him.
He has always struck out a lot too, so that isn’t a surprise.
The surprise is the lack of walks. That is the only piece of his game that is missing right now.
justincredubil02 - August 18, 2010
just about every part of his game is missing right now. His strikeouts, gidp, defense, and running are all really bad. There may be excuses for a lot of those things, but that doesn’t mean they aren’t happening.
telemakhos - August 18, 2010
I am still laughing about
Bobby should really learn to manage around that.
gramsey712 - August 18, 2010
Alright, Prado, Heyward you two try and score before Glaus grounds into his double play
Mac, you try and hit a solo homer after the GIDP
ATLandUNC - August 18, 2010
Damn, that got me funny bone.
Rec’d.
Tim Goad - August 18, 2010
haha this
SouthernPanther - August 18, 2010
Back with the extreme arguments again, I see.
justincredubil02 - August 18, 2010
his strikeouts have always been high.
GIDP – when you have a guy struggling at the plate who has bad legs, this is not a surprise.
justincredubil02 - August 18, 2010
When GIDP becomes "not a surprise"
Thats probably a good time to replace him and/or release him.
ATLandUNC - August 18, 2010
+1
MichaelProcton - August 18, 2010
it’s not a surprise, but it’s a very negative thing for the team and it’s going to continue to happen until he gets some substantial time to rest.
telemakhos - August 18, 2010
Agreed.
justincredubil02 - August 18, 2010
you are an asshole
willlinn - August 18, 2010
you're a funny guy.
hailtogeorgia - August 18, 2010
But career numbers are questionable with Glaus...
..he is clearly on the downside of his career and has injury issues. Yes, overall, Glaus is a better career hitter than Gonzalez. Right now? Hard to say. Given the relative positional and defensive values, however, I would say Gonzalez is the better player, but a lot depends on whether Glaus is just slumping or whether his body just won’t let him play well anymore.
cavebird - August 18, 2010
That’s the key. If people believe that on 30 June Glaus’ body just said “No more dude. You had a great ride and were one of the best hitters in baseball over the past 2 months, but that is it. This is the cliff and you have just walked over it.” then all the doubt makes sense.
If, however, you believe that Glaus still has a lot to offer over the next 2 months and just needs a break, then that makes sense too.
I am in the latter camp, obviously.
justincredubil02 - August 18, 2010
You've seen him hobbling around like the rest of us
It’s actually pretty clear that his body did say “no more dude”.
ATLandUNC - August 18, 2010
That’s not the point. The point is if his body is saying “you need rest” or “I’m done”.
There is a big difference.
justincredubil02 - August 18, 2010
Exactly
Just like Vlad Guerrero. Oh wait…
Yakker - August 18, 2010
Isn't Vlad the DH?
We don’t have that luxury for Glaus. I do believe he’s injured and his entire lower body seems to be hurting, thus sapping his power/timing. He is also probably trying to adjust by using his upper body more than normal which is actually slowing his bat down = k’s.
Dude’s body is trying to quit on him because he’s reached its breaking point. After a nice long rest though, he should play much better.
Pavy848 - August 18, 2010
Fair enough. I don’t know how often they’re running Vlad out in the Tex OF, but whenever I think of him, I think of that freaky old man wobble he’d do out in RF to get to balls in Anaheim. Then again, he didn’t hit too well his last few years there…
Yakker - August 18, 2010
I agree
getting Lee, allowing Troy to sit for a few days a week, would do wonders for Glaus’ health and, in turn, his production at the plate and his defense
ByrneSupremacy - August 18, 2010
If/when we get Lee
I highly doubt it will be to give Glaus rest a few days a week. Lee will be the everyday first baseman. If Glaus is kept around, he likely won’t see many more plate appearances.
ATLandUNC - August 18, 2010
I disagree..
We’ll keep both fresh…I see Lee playing more than Glaus, but not every game…
But who cares? When healthy, both are studs.
Jman781 - August 18, 2010
this
Lee will play more, but with his back problems this year, no way Bobby puts him out there every day
ByrneSupremacy - August 18, 2010
And how awesome...
Would it be to have a fresh Lee or Glause EVERY stinking game…Sign me up.
Jman781 - August 18, 2010
exactly
ByrneSupremacy - August 18, 2010
Dang!
I tried to correct my error on the Glaus spelling…I posted the error anyway…Boo me!
Jman781 - August 18, 2010
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Well, you told me to….
Darin H - August 18, 2010
It wasn't the 30th of June.
He hit less than .240 throughout the month of June and got lucky on a ridiculous HR/FB rate.
MichaelProcton - August 18, 2010
Hate to point this out but, everyone on this site, despite their best efforts are "homeristic supporters"
So being a homer isn’t a bad thing. You have your players that you support, they have theirs and the FO has theirs. Arguments can be made in both directions for every player in the league… minus Frenchy, he’s just bad at hitting.
Pavy848 - August 18, 2010
i would like to add Yuniesky Betancourt to the list of players we can all agree are not good at the playing of the baseball
Swo12bv - August 18, 2010
Glaus is also in the middle of a massive health-related slump.
Gonzalez, on the other hand, is having his best season ever. Those are facts that cannot be ignored. You know better than to take ridiculous data samples like 12 days’ worth.
MichaelProcton - August 18, 2010
you're a fool
what team are you watching, anyway?
Chief Noc-A-Homa - August 18, 2010
Sweet post.
justincredubil02 - August 18, 2010
Well, if you think that “our weekness is not 1st base,” then you’re a fool. Outfield- we’re fine. SS- we’re fine. 3rd and 2nd- we’re fine. 1st…….gaping hole.
Chief Noc-A-Homa - August 18, 2010
no 10 and 5 with a no trade clause...
…accepts a trade to being a step above a platoon player. If we get him, we’d be all but convinced his back is well enough for him to be a starter.
cirela20 - August 18, 2010
1B is not our weakness?
Are you talking about, like, the last six days? Gonazalez has easily outperformed Glaus since he got here.
MichaelProcton - August 18, 2010
pleasepleasepleasepleasepleasepleaseplease
gramsey712 - August 18, 2010
Lee would be sweet
His bat and good defense at 1B would be great!
Jay212033 - August 18, 2010
this wouldn’t be a horrible acquisition but I’d still prefer a Ty Wiggington
Albert K - August 18, 2010
Wiggy didn’t clear waivers and was pulled back, so he’s no longer an option
Rhyno18 - August 18, 2010
OT
It’s also been rumored that the Braves have scouted 16 y.o. Phenom Luis Heredia. Maybe this is why the Braves didn’t sign Sabol or Alvord. The scouting report has this kid already hitting triple digits with good off-speed stuff. I’m posting from my phone so I can post the link but it’s on mlbtraderumors.com.
Jay212033 - August 18, 2010
MLBTR is reporting Pirates most likely to sign him now
KoKo the Monkey (T-Bone) - August 18, 2010
It also say the Braves have scouted him in the article
Also he can’t sign until Sept.1.
Jay212033 - August 18, 2010
if you don;t mind you alwayz have the link or are in the know about these young guys outta nowhere….how do you find this info out?
Swo12bv - August 18, 2010
If his back is okay...
and that is a big if. You can pencil him in as the cleanup guy the rest of the year. Came back from the bereavement list and hit 4 homers in 3 games.He has been a consisitent 280 hitter plus over the past decade.
mikie baseball - August 18, 2010
Fangraphs had a good write up about a week ago on his down year
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/derrek-lees-down-year/
KoKo the Monkey (T-Bone) - August 18, 2010
ZiPS shows improved stats for the rest of the season
Projecting .197 ISO and .365 wOBA
KoKo the Monkey (T-Bone) - August 18, 2010
This is a trade where you must look at Glaus vs. Lee
This is a no-brainer, Glaus’s knees worry more than Lee’s back. I like the move, especially since we will have to give up little or nothing to get a guy who’s hitting over .300 since the break. This would be a great move
KJDH2154 - August 18, 2010
Not to mention
He’s a former gold glove first baseman
KJDH2154 - August 18, 2010
Lee is good but i still prefer Laroche
joshant - August 18, 2010
that’s what i was hoping too.
even started an unsuccessful thread on it. lmao
Chief Noc-A-Homa - August 18, 2010
I love Roachy...
But this is a righthanded bat that fits well,mikie baseball - August 18, 2010
This
If LaRoche could learn to bat righty…I’d be cool with him…But alas, He can’t…
Jman781 - August 18, 2010
When he is on fire....
he probably could hit righthanded,,,,
mikie baseball - August 18, 2010
Exactly.
We already have an overabundance of LH bats.
blairblink - August 18, 2010
I doubt that LaRoche...
…would clear waivers. I am sort of surprised that Lee apparently has.
cavebird - August 18, 2010
Already did, actually.
MichaelProcton - August 18, 2010
Story updated
With this:
MLBTR reports that Lee “projects” to be a Type-B free agent at the end of the year, meaning if the Braves acquire him and offer him arbitration and he were to sign with another team, we would get a first round supplemental pick. MLBTR also says that Lee is owed $3.4 million between now and the end of the season.
gondeee - August 18, 2010
Do you think...
He would accept arbitration?
Jman781 - August 18, 2010
I would -- hard to image he'd get less than 13M as an award.
I doubt the braves take — even for the draft pick, b/c Freeman is waiting in the wings
fphjr01 - August 18, 2010
But then he'd allow you to delay Freeman's service clock...
continue his development in AAA, and could be a ready replacment if/when Lee needs to go on the DL. Having Derek Lee next year isn’t a bad idea to me.
Mr. Sanchez - August 18, 2010
or two years (he's 34 though)
A big hitting vet appeals to me as well, and his clubhouse presence cannot be undersold. He should improve next year from this year, even accounting for a slight decline from his mean as he ages a year.
Londonjoe - August 18, 2010
Not for 13+ million though
You’d be wasting a ton of money to save a smaller amount of money down the road.
nixa37 - August 18, 2010
I agree with this. If Wren was too scared to offer arb to Soriano, doubt he would offer it to Lee.
Yakker - August 18, 2010
Wren did offer Soriano arb.
He accepted, forcing the trade.
jtw126 - August 18, 2010
Yeah, I know.
Coffee hadn’t kicked in and realized it after I hit post. But overall point still is I doubt Wren would offer Lee arb, so to me the Type B pick doesn’t move the needle.
Yakker - August 18, 2010
Gondee,sir
Can you just make this happen? Please
mikie baseball - August 18, 2010
2nd round supp Gondee
Type A is 1st round.
Jay212033 - August 18, 2010
No, it is first round supp.
For a Type A, you get the signing team’s first or second round pick as well as a supplemental. For Type B you just get the supplemental.
cavebird - August 18, 2010
So far...
But he also might even play his way into Type A if he gets healthy.
MichaelProcton - August 18, 2010
Hopefully this rumor has more merit that the Aramis one. 3rd isn’t the problem. Despite Glaus’ good D, and occasional good O, I’m sick and tired of Winning Despite Troy Glaus.
Chief Noc-A-Homa - August 18, 2010
If we get Lee
I still like Glaus’s power bat off the bench as a RH pinch hitter. Glaus is really hurting physically and doesn’t seem like he can continue to produce at the plate while still having to field and run the bases.
bbxxj - August 18, 2010
Bobby could give Troy a run for his money in a short sprint.
Chief Noc-A-Homa - August 18, 2010
Hell yeah!
Especially since Bobby still wears his cleats to the games!
dragonhawk26 - August 18, 2010
I agree. Plus is Lee needed a day off to rest the back it wouldn’t be the absolute worst thing to give Troy a spot start.
nuftjedi - August 18, 2010
I think it'd be good for Glaus too
give him time to rest his legs for a postseason run
ByrneSupremacy - August 18, 2010
And given the projection of Lee as a Type B FA at the end of the year.
We very well may get a better prospect when he signs elsewhere than what we give up when trading for him.
This is almost an NBA-style salary dumb by ChC.
blairblink - August 18, 2010
I doubt we would offer him arbitration. I’m sure Wren will always second guess this based on how hard Soriano screwed us last year.
bwellnjonesco - August 18, 2010
I think Raf wanted to come back. He’s just so quiet. It was hard to tell.
Chief Noc-A-Homa - August 18, 2010
Raf knew he wouldnt get that much money on the open market with the signing team also having to give up picks. He played everything perfect for himself and Tampa Bay. Only a team needing a closer would trade for a relief pitcher with his salary.
When I refer to Raf, I mean his agent. Give this dude a raise and tell the other Type A and B relief pitchers about him.
bwellnjonesco - August 18, 2010
Big difference between Type A and Type B
Type A’s cost the signing team something, which means when you offer them arbitration, their free market value goes down. Not the same with Type B. Also, Soriano didn’t screw us—-we offered him arbitration to get the picks, but he accepted because our offer hurt his market value. We then moved him for Jesse Chavez and got rid of all of his salary. We tried to get something, but failed; the move didn’t hurt us (except for tempting Bobby to use Chavez, lol); we weren’t worse off than not offering him arbitration.
cavebird - August 18, 2010
That would be my concern
Plus, with Lee’s advanced age there’s no real guarantee he’d get a much better deal in free agency.
DeadlyWalrus - August 18, 2010
He migh accept...
..but if he is Class B, our offer won’t hurt his market value. Also, given his age, doing a year with arbitration might kill any chance of his getting a good multi-year deal again because he would be another year older before he hits the open market.
cavebird - August 18, 2010
Based on what we've seen in the market recently for players of his type
He’d be lucky to get 13 million over 2 years on the free agent market. No way he turns down arbitration.
nixa37 - August 18, 2010
I guess my point is
that given his age and injury history he might not get a multi-year deal next year. I may depend on how he does these next few months but teams usually aren’t lining up to sign mid 30s injury prone 1st basemen coming off of down years.
DeadlyWalrus - August 18, 2010
Or “It may depend” if I could actually type correctly.
DeadlyWalrus - August 18, 2010
It depends on the market for 1B next year.
But the potential of getting a high pick in return certainly makes the deal more attractive.
blairblink - August 18, 2010
Brandon stamped: Approved.
bwellnjonesco - August 18, 2010
DO IT!!!!!!
But if we do…
who gets bumped from the 25 man roster??
And who gets bumped when O’Flaherty comes back?
HalleyGator - August 18, 2010
I would think Martinez goes down when EOF comes back. But I would assume Glaus is released if they do this, no need holding on to him since they are both RH bats
KJDH2154 - August 18, 2010
Could DL...
Glaus. He really looks hurtin on the basepaths.
mikie baseball - August 18, 2010
He’s practically running backwards.
Chief Noc-A-Homa - August 18, 2010
I have long...
Hoped for the designated runner rule. Since Troy’s arrival, I kinda think it should be an added sacrament,actually
mikie baseball - August 18, 2010
Yea
and then they can pull the fence in, switch the ball to a softball, give them a softball bat, and we can just play a league wide celebrity softball game.
Please.
Tim Goad - August 18, 2010
LOL
Don’t forget the poodle skirts — white for home, pink for visitors….
skymuse - August 18, 2010
I thought he was gonna collapse in pain when he got to third last night. His knees are brutal.
10-4 - August 18, 2010
me too. well said.
Lizziebeth - August 18, 2010
Same here
a DL turn could do wonders. Doubt it brings him all the way back, but it has to help.
Mr. Sanchez - August 18, 2010
I really doubt Glaus gets released. DL’ed maybe, to rest, but he would be pretty valuable in September and October
Rhyno18 - August 18, 2010
Martinez for EOF and Hernandez for Lee
Jay212033 - August 18, 2010
Good call on the Hernandez for Lee…..I just think holding on to Glaus and Lee, would be wasting a roster spot, especially since Hernandez can play both short and 2nd….which we need now that Infante is a regular in the lineup now
KJDH2154 - August 18, 2010
that would leave no backup middle infielder, right? hicks or diory has to be up
telemakhos - August 18, 2010
this
Rhyno18 - August 18, 2010
Both Hicks and Hernandez
would be close in Gwinnett both guys are just sitting on the bench rotting so i’d rather they play than sit.
Jay212033 - August 18, 2010
Also, Infante is still a back-up MI...
…if someone goes down, Prado goes to 2B, and Conrad to 3B. We still have three guys who can play MI.
cavebird - August 18, 2010
true
telemakhos - August 18, 2010
Dunn
might go down for EOF. Martinez provides the option of multiple innings of relief
ByrneSupremacy - August 18, 2010
Agreed, I like what Martinez has done with us. I also think 3 lefties in a bullpen is plenty,,
bwellnjonesco - August 18, 2010
We need EOF back
SuperNewb - August 18, 2010
the most ridiculous pen in baseball, baby. easily.
Chief Noc-A-Homa - August 18, 2010
Dunn goes down for O'Flaherty...
with Martinez staying as the long man/junk man.
And to make room for Lee, said it before and will say it again, DL Glaus. Let him rest his legs and he can come back whn rosters expand so no worry about who goes then.
Mr. Sanchez - August 18, 2010
Does this mean Freeman won't see MLB time?
Or does this not change the possibility of a September call up?
With how awful Glaus has looked, I would not mind having Freeman coming in to give Lee a rest every 5th or 6th game. Lee – Freeman would make me feel much better about first base.
ATLandUNC - August 18, 2010
Probably Wren’s thoughts as well.
Chief Noc-A-Homa - August 18, 2010
That is what I would vote for.
Trade for Lee. Dump Glaus. Call up Freeman.
gramsey712 - August 18, 2010
Given that the Braves are a mid market team and may possibly be interested in keeping Freeman in the minors until May of next year to push back his arbitration time, I’m not seeing how having Lee coming here is going to lead to Freeman being called up in September. But I could be wrong.
Zontar - August 18, 2010
Service time is irrelevant here...
…September time doesn’t count.
cavebird - August 18, 2010
Probably wouldn't change it.
Gwinnett’s not makin’ the playoffs, and Fred is on the 40. I’d bet even money we’ll see him.
MichaelProcton - August 18, 2010
Freeman is not on the 40 man roster
Mr. Sanchez - August 19, 2010
Huh...
Thought he was. Well that changes things a bit. I’d move it to about 40-60 in favor of him not coming up in that case.
MichaelProcton - August 19, 2010
Don't tease me Gondeee...
Don’t do this to me and then take it away…
SuperNewb - August 18, 2010
Why not just call up Freeman and platoon him with Glaus? I guess Lee is better than Glaus assuming Lee is healthy, but Freeman would likely be better (and cheaper).
redwards95 - August 18, 2010
Lee is a RH
we have so many LH hitters in our lineup as it is.
Clemson Caniac - August 18, 2010
Lee - Freeman
The thought of having Lee as the everyday first baseman and having Freeman ready to pinch hit against righties and give Lee rest days makes me feel pretty confident about first base for the first time in months.
ATLandUNC - August 18, 2010
this year Lee has hit righties better than lefties
I still think Lee-Glaus is better in a postseason run than Lee-Freeman
ByrneSupremacy - August 18, 2010
Wren seems to be pretty down on Glaus
and pretty high on Freeman, but we’ll see
ATLandUNC - August 18, 2010
Bobby and Frank pretty much dismissed Freeman in 2010 the other day, with Bobby pretty much saying “we can’t win without Troy”. So that tells me they don’t want a left handed rookie in a pennant race. Now a Lee trade, that changes everything.
10-4 - August 18, 2010
Freeman would likely be better?
Are you kidding? The kid’s had less than a year of success at AAA. Lee’s been great for ten years in the bigs.
MichaelProcton - August 18, 2010
Probably works well for Chicago
Lee is a very popular guy there.
Trading him to a WS contender in late August is a much easier move to make then telling him he’s too old and they don’t want him in anymore in December.
From the Braves standpoint, my only concern is money. It’s great if we have an extra $3.5 million to blow, but with the way Freeman has been raking as of late, I’m not so sure we don’t have just as good of a dirt-cheap option waiting for a Sept. callup.
DCP916 - August 18, 2010
It's the money we dumped
When we got rid of Vazquez. The Braves didn’t offer Damon a ton so that they would have the flexibility to make a big, mid-season move…
This would be said move, and I approve.
Jman781 - August 18, 2010
Either option...
of trading for Lee or bringing up Freeman helps us.The former option helps us more ,I believe, than the latter one The Lee option is clearly more expensive both in the short and long run. That said, it isnt our money,and it would be nice if we could forget that concern for the next 45 days or so,and maybe win a championship!
mikie baseball - August 18, 2010
Raking in AAA is a far cry from hitting in the bigs in a pennant race with exactly zero ML experience.
MichaelProcton - August 18, 2010
Ken Rosenthal now reporting rumor "has legs"
KoKo the Monkey (T-Bone) - August 18, 2010
And Arms???
KJDH2154 - August 18, 2010
Doesn't matter
We’re really just trying to upgrade the legs at 1B
KoKo the Monkey (T-Bone) - August 18, 2010
http://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/21496253401
KoKo the Monkey (T-Bone) - August 18, 2010
FYI...
Links in the title don’t actually turn into links.
MichaelProcton - August 18, 2010
and knows how to use them?
10-4 - August 18, 2010
For Glaus to replace his with? This deal keeps getting better!
Pavy848 - August 18, 2010
Gondee, the blogger...
Rules!
mikie baseball - August 18, 2010
What do Bloggers know?
Sincerely,
Keith Law
Jman781 - August 18, 2010
Pretty sure Keith Law is a blogger.
jtw126 - August 18, 2010
I don't get the hate for Law here.
He had sources who disagreed with gondeee’s sources. And Law’s sources were right, in the end. No need to throw a hissy fit.
Jacob Peterson - August 18, 2010
But...
Jman781 - August 18, 2010
It seems gondee may have been too...
he just had the wrong Cubs’ corner IF.
Mr. Sanchez - August 18, 2010
But that's not what he said, was it?
MichaelProcton - August 18, 2010
espn has just reported it that the braves are close
ccoolguy2003 - August 18, 2010
did they ask Charlie Manuel how he felt about it?
Clemson Caniac - August 18, 2010
I loved last night's headlines......
HUGE shot of Utley, saying “Phillies Win, Utley goes hitless.”
Prado gets 3 hits for the 1st place team, and there isn’t even a blurb.
Don’t get mad. Get even.
Chief Noc-A-Homa - August 18, 2010
But...
The team with the 3rd most fans in the nation isn’t a big market team…Right?
Jman781 - August 18, 2010
The Braves going on the way would be like a money shot all over the face of ESPN
Chief Noc-A-Homa - August 18, 2010
*damn it, “All the way”
Chief Noc-A-Homa - August 18, 2010
BREAKING NEWS!
“Brett Favre took a shower this morning…”
and then at the very bottom corner of the page:
“Braves win WS, but did you read the blurb about Favre?”
Jman781 - August 18, 2010
Jets lose by fifty to the BIlls! go to 0-4!
tiny tiny print: Braves win World series
Londonjoe - August 18, 2010
That was the nonsense last year.
Saints being undefeated, all they would talk about is Favre, Romo, Peterson, and Mark Sanchez.
Tim Goad - August 18, 2010
Giants Fan says Sanchez goes both ways!! 24 hour news coverage
Aints actually make the playoffs? not really a word. That was Brees’ 3rd straight year of 4,000 yards or more I believe.
Londonjoe - August 18, 2010
Since becoming a Saint, Brees has been the best in the NFL.
Tim Goad - August 18, 2010
Agreed. He has been beast.
justincredubil02 - August 18, 2010
When I think
about how we could have gotten Culpepper instead, I dance with joy.
Tim Goad - August 18, 2010
Stupid Dolphin team doctors...
preferring Culpepper to Brees. Imagine how things turn out if they make the right call on those two; for the Saints, the Dolphins, Nick Saban and Alabama, among others.
Mr. Sanchez - August 18, 2010
Saban is the one who turned Brees off the Dolphins.
Brees’ said in his book that Saban wasnt a very sociable dude.
Tim Goad - August 18, 2010
no shock there
but the Dolphins have a good QB now and we are getting better, this year could be very interesting
Jtpdolphins2009 - August 18, 2010
Saban would have ruined Brees.
Pavy848 - August 18, 2010
Calling Henne good already is a reach.
MichaelProcton - August 18, 2010
Plenty of guys who could succeed throwing it 40 times a game.
MichaelProcton - August 18, 2010
Thats pretty asinine to say.
The offense is built around him BECAUSE he is so good. He’s the most accurate QB in the league and his awareness makes the OL better.
No NFL coach is gonna build an offense around a QB throwing the ball 40 times if they arent able to do so.
Tim Goad - August 19, 2010
You're kidding, right?
They did a breakdown twice a week on the Saints and how they would or wouldn’t do it.
MichaelProcton - August 18, 2010
every fan likes to think their team is getting slighted in some way and then they blow it out of proportion. This allows them to think they are underdogs and no one gives them any respect. It happens on every fanbase to some respect. (except Pirates fans, they understand they get an appropriate amount of coverage).
It’s the same thing with the whiny about ESPN not giving the Braves enough coverage. they don’t cover the braves enough, because the story isnt as important to a wide range of fans as the Brett Favre story is. brett Favre affects the entire NFC. he assures the Vikings a playoff spot, makes the NFC North interesting (a favre-less NFC North is basically a competition to see how many games the packers can win). Meanwhile the Braves play 162 games and if they make a trade for a 1B its not that big of a deal to the rest of baseball.
ANd finally, the reason they follow the Phils, Mets, Yankees, and Red Sox so much is because those are the largest baseball markets (not the largest tv markets, or biggest cities). ESPN is a business and to generate interest they lead with the stories that the largest amoutn of people watching will want to see. MLBN has different interests bc it knows only baseball fans are watching, whereas ESPN is covering all sports (or at least all the sports that they have an economic interest in). There’s no reason to complain about what ESPN does, it makes the most ifnancial sense for the company and thats what it is, a business.
Swo12bv - August 18, 2010
Trust me, I'm on board with you.
Although it doesn’t make it any less annoying when they go to commercial literally 90% of the time the Panthers go on the clock.
MichaelProcton - August 18, 2010
ooo its definately frustrating…my list of favorite teams are never considered contenders and never given the credit they deserve…ESPN never covers WI Badgers football, or basketball….and they rarely cover the MLW Bucks but i understand that those markets are pretty regionally confined and its not ESPNs job to talk about them…
i didnt say i dont understand the frustration, just that it needs to be put in the proper perspective
Swo12bv - August 18, 2010
No, they didnt.
Just like you and Swo are talking about me overhyping the “underdog” mantra, you’re conjuring up coverage that didnt happen to create an argument that isnt there. The only time we got ANY respect was when we made it to the playoffs.
Tim Goad - August 19, 2010
Source?
Yakker - August 18, 2010
http://www.talkingchop.com/2010/8/17/1628377/espn-bias
justincredubil02 - August 18, 2010
Just had a thought
Derrek Lee is pretty much Jason Heyward body double.
Those are two imposing 6’5 dudes. It would be fun to have them back to back in the lineup. It would look like the same player just switched sides of the plate.
ATLandUNC - August 18, 2010
I was thinking the same thing. He might even help Jason more than TP ever will.
Chief Noc-A-Homa - August 18, 2010
They all look alike to you, don’t they? Racist.
10-4 - August 18, 2010
lol
KJDH2154 - August 18, 2010
LOL
JasonHeywardisGod - August 18, 2010
Rec'd
gramsey712 - August 18, 2010
nice one...
Hektor DiPaula - August 18, 2010
rec'd
Braves24 - August 18, 2010
Yep...
That would have been my comparison,save the righty .lefty thing. In fact, I would not be shocked if they had the same type careers. Lee was a monster when he first came up with the Marlins.
mikie baseball - August 18, 2010
DOB says:
I’ve known D-Lee since his days w/ Marlins, and he’s told me before he’d like to play for B. Cox. I think he’ll waive no-trade for Braves
KoKo the Monkey (T-Bone) - August 18, 2010
Thats it....
I am signing off now with the full knowledge this will be done…….GO Brraves!!!!
mikie baseball - August 18, 2010
wow
i know Lee has been hot lately, but a bad back? 2 right handed broken 1st basemen….hmmmm
Slee - August 18, 2010
It would still be an uprade from Glaus, despite his spells of delivering.
Chief Noc-A-Homa - August 18, 2010
he could be, but how will this play out? let both of them play until the end of the regular season, and pick the hottest one for the post season roster?
Slee - August 18, 2010
Lee has been the better hitter throughout his career
And for the past few months.
I would just go with Lee.
ATLandUNC - August 18, 2010
I'd say Glaus is more likely to get a postseason spot than a 5th OF.
MichaelProcton - August 18, 2010
.305/.396/.579
36 doubles, 35 homers, 111 RBIs
That was Lee’s line just last season. This guy can still rake with the best of ’em.
ATLandUNC - August 18, 2010
Updated story
With this:
Some Atlanta beat writers have chimed in via Twitter with positive thoughts that this deal will get done, and Ken Rosenthal says that the deal “has legs.” We may simply have to wait a day or two for a clean bill of health on Derrek Lee’s bum back. Along those same lines, the Braves may not initially trade anyone to the Cubs for Lee, instead agreeing upon a player to be named later. This could be any of several players and would likely be based on how well Lee performs once in a Braves uniform. This would protect Atlanta from surrendering a good prospect in the event that Lee re-injures his back.
gondeee - August 18, 2010
I like that...
I would much more inclined to give a better prospect after the fact…
Jman781 - August 18, 2010
Sounds like a good plan...
and I love it when a plan comes together.
Any idea what they’d do with Glaus? Perhaps DL him since we’d have to clear a spot on the 25 man for him, and we can’t move Hernandez (our primary backup IF with Infante having to start). Between Hinske and Glaus, I’d think one would have to go to make room, and with Hinske able to play LF and Glaus able to go on the DL and rest his demolished legs until September when rosters are expanded, that seems to make the most since, especially with Lee filling his role as 1B and right handed slugger in the heart of the order.
Mr. Sanchez - August 18, 2010
Even without Hernandez we’ll still have plenty of backup IF so I think he’ll be sent down.
Jay212033 - August 18, 2010
And I think DL'ing Glaus makes more sense...
since Lee essentially replaces him, and he can come back refreshed in September when rosters expand without forcing anyone down.
Go with for two weeks, until Glaus is back and can split time with Lee to keep both fresh (or if he is back moving well enough to play 3rd that allows for both in the lineup) but for two weeks go…
Infante 2B
Heyward RF
Prado 3B
McCann C
Lee 1B
Hinske/Diaz LF
Gonzalez SS
Ankiel/Melky CF
with Hinske getting some time at 1B when Lee needs to rest his back, Conrad going back to pinch hitter extraordinaire, and Hernandez filling in as needed at the end of the bench.
Mr. Sanchez - August 18, 2010
This makes complete sense, and I endorse it whole-heartedly.
justincredubil02 - August 18, 2010
But he was just heating up!!
-C
cthabeerman - August 18, 2010
Don’t be a dick. You’re clearly trying to bait him.
dunnytwogloves - August 18, 2010
Shocker!!
Turnabout is fair play.
Justin’s been baiting half the members of the site for some time now. I’m not above stooping to his level, when appropriate.
-C
cthabeerman - August 18, 2010
Hey, I’ve had my “battle” with Justin before. I think it might even be part of the Talking Chop initiation process. :)
dunnytwogloves - August 18, 2010
I think...
Instead of playing devil’s advocate…He plays Yunel’s advocate…
Jman781 - August 18, 2010
Glaus will not go on the DL. He has an incentive that would pay him some more cash if he does not land on there.
FreddieFreemanTime - August 18, 2010
No he does not...
the incentive is for plate appearances, not avoiding the DL. And it’s also a) not his choice, and b) a better choice than being cut or turned into a splinter collector ala Kenshin Kawakami.
Mr. Sanchez - August 18, 2010
You are right. Sorry I was thinking the 100 day active roster was the DL thing
FreddieFreemanTime - August 18, 2010
It was.
But he’s obviously already made that.
MichaelProcton - August 18, 2010
I'd MUCH rather see Lee 3rd than Prado.
Infante fits better at 5 with his singles galore.
MichaelProcton - August 18, 2010
Prado has been our best hitter this year. I would like to have Heyward hit 3rd and Prado leading off, but Lee should always be the cleanup
Braves24 - August 18, 2010
And McCann 5th, then?
MichaelProcton - August 19, 2010
That's not how PTBNLs usually work, is it?
I thought the team receiving one got a list and got to choose, which would put the Cubs in the driver’s seat.
MichaelProcton - August 18, 2010
Looks like our Majors-Best bench
might just get better….
Imagine Troy being able to rest and come in just for RBI situations…. ahhhh By and far would be the best bench in baseball
MikeTrain - August 18, 2010
hmmm………No sir. I don’t like it. I wish I could like it. But I don’t.
Chief Noc-A-Homa - August 18, 2010
Why not?
Glaus has 70 RBIs this season, leading the team
if he gets to rest every game and only get 1 or 2 ABs, how is that negative?
He doesn’t have to run after groundballs anymore etc either
MikeTrain - August 18, 2010
He still looks like he’s just praying for walks at the plate, with flashes of hits, here and there.
Chief Noc-A-Homa - August 18, 2010
We now have a true power bat on our bench
MikeTrain - August 18, 2010
Troy
PH GW RBI in Game 7 of the WS… chalk it down
ByrneSupremacy - August 18, 2010
but that's KK's job!
atl192485 - August 18, 2010
ESPN D. Lee to Braves?
Is on the sportscenter sidebar.
SuperNewb - August 18, 2010 via mobile
right after a story about how Shane Victorino still collects baseball cards
Clemson Caniac - August 18, 2010
Wait
I dunno if you heard, but Roy Oswalt pitches for the Phillies now. It wasnt on BBTN or SC much.
Tim Goad - August 18, 2010
I am not familiar with that name.
Clemson Caniac - August 18, 2010
Hmmm...
How about Lance Berkman to the Yankees?
Tim Goad - August 18, 2010
He’s the American one right?
Clemson Caniac - August 18, 2010
Yea!
That guy. The one that they traded for with the .217 average in the past month.
Tim Goad - August 18, 2010
I like it!
We can have Lee play while Glaus rests up. If Lee’s back doesn’t hold up, we stick a fresh Glaus back in. Rinse, Repeat.
Especially if we’re not going to give up much of anything in the way of prospects.
Darin H - August 18, 2010
You know what's funny?
2010 Derrek Lee: .250/.335/.416
2010 Troy Glaus: .239/.343/.406
This might not even be an upgrade
Bronn - August 18, 2010
Even with a bad back, Derrek Lee can bend over and run.
CharlotteChop - August 18, 2010
If prospects are surrendered, it’s not an upgrade.
Chief Noc-A-Homa - August 18, 2010
Defensively?...
and when either is healthy, their numbers are higher. Having both means a greater chance to have at least one healthy, and therefore mashing in the middle.
Mr. Sanchez - August 18, 2010
Check the recent stats...and the past 10 years
Its an upgrade
ATLandUNC - August 18, 2010
You know what's funnier
2010 Derrek Lee Since the ASB – .313/.939 OPS
2010 Troy Glaus Since the ASB – .196/.595 OPS
Looks like an upgrade
KJDH2154 - August 18, 2010
But the risk there, with the back thing……
Hopefully we can pick up the tab (because the Cubs owe money to God and Moses, and might need a little help) and the whole “A prospect to be named later” deal goes down.
Chief Noc-A-Homa - August 18, 2010
He's had a bad back for years
He seems to have figured out how to play through it. Its not like its some new worrisome injury.
ATLandUNC - August 18, 2010
Winner.
bwellnjonesco - August 18, 2010
Yes, there’s that, and you know what? Small sample sizes can be very misleading. This isn’t exactly evidence that Derrek Lee is going to continue to out-perform Glaus going forward.
Bronn - August 18, 2010
Unless you have a crystal ball...
that evidence is nonexistant and never will exist.
That shows that when healty, Lee still can crush it, and he just might be healthy right now (or a platoon with Glaus could allow both enough rest to be healthy).
Mr. Sanchez - August 18, 2010
We don't have to trade for someone in order to place Glaus on the DL
We actually could call up Freeman if Glaus needed DL time.
Bronn - August 18, 2010
It's not like we're going to have to trade Teheran for him
A player to be named later (C type prospect) at best. And take on 3.5 Mil. in salary.
KJDH2154 - August 18, 2010
I like the idea of Lee on the braves if only for the possibilities next season of the supp draft
but you cannot and should not place to much faith in future performance on past results… in particular with older players in baseball (natural decline). He has some major Q’s, in particular his back, which is a really finicky injury and difficult to mediate
Londonjoe - August 18, 2010
Let's get past the draft pick
If for someone reason the Braves offer him arbitration, he’s going to accept without a doubt. He’d get more in 1 year of arbitration than he’d get for 2 on the free agent market.
nixa37 - August 18, 2010
unless he completely tears the cover off the ball over the next two months and helps the Braves win the WS, in which case we could all care less about a supplemental draft pick anyways.
DCP916 - August 18, 2010
And the front office apparently doesn't want to go that route...
plus a healthy Lee is a proven big time producer and I’d assume Bobby would be more comfortable replacing Glaus with him than Freeman. From all quotes I’ve seen Freeman ain’t coming up this year, so we need to move on from that meme (right or wrong, it ain’t happening).
Mr. Sanchez - August 18, 2010
I'm just saying
It doesn’t seem exactly insightful to take on $3.5 million in salary just so you can get a guy a DL stint. It’s not very good money management. For the first half of the season, Troy Glaus was by FAR outperforming Lee. Over the past 30ish games, several of which Lee has missed to injury, Lee has been better. We might end up with two injured first basemen who can’t succeed, and neither of them hitting well when healthy.
This deal doesn’t make as much sense as everyone seems to believe.
Bronn - August 18, 2010
You're describing a worst case scenario if both are injured...
if both are healthy come Septembr and October, this team becomes much stronger (even more so if “healthy” means Glaus can make some starts at 3B).
Mr. Sanchez - August 18, 2010
no need to worry about the DL
by the time a deal could be worked out, all the kinks ironed out and Lee making his way down South, there would only be a short window of games where we have to worry about health issues and roster spots.
Rosters can expand to 40 on Sept 1, so we could have five banged up first basemen sitting in the dugout and it wouldn’t really matter.
It’s a trickier situation when you can only carry 25 guys on the roster.
DCP916 - August 18, 2010
Hmm...
Which of them has shown an inability to hit when healthy? We’ve seen both of them rake, this year, when healthy.
MichaelProcton - August 18, 2010
Not coming up as a starter, not not at all.
MichaelProcton - August 18, 2010
Who has DEFINITELY shown evidence that he'll out-perform Glaus as a major-leaguer, right?
MichaelProcton - August 18, 2010
You can honestly tell me
That you think Troy Glaus is a better option than Derek Lee at first base. And please take into consideration offensively and defensively
KJDH2154 - August 18, 2010
Lee is obviously the better defender
But that’s probably no more than 5 runs over the remaining course of the season. First base defense is not the easiest thing to valuate, anyway.
Bronn - August 18, 2010
Look at how the Braves have lost 5 or 6 games since the All Star Break and also win games late. 5 runs could easily mean 1 or 2 games which may be exactly what it takes to win this division.
CharlotteChop - August 18, 2010
I agree that this...
is not evidence. No fortune teller here, however, what is the down side? That Lee hits under .175 th rest of the way,as Glaus has done for the past two months?
mikie baseball - August 18, 2010
Why not?
I mean, over the season’s first month and a half, Derrek Lee hit .210/.331/.328. He’s obviously capable of struggling from here out, and he’s currently missing time with a bulging disk. Troy Glaus is as safe a bet as Derrek Lee to have solid results over the season’s final month and a half.
Bronn - August 18, 2010
Please tell me you at least see the positives possible...
if Lee’s back isn’t a problem.
Mr. Sanchez - August 18, 2010
One has been getting steadily worse since May, one steadily better.
Why is it you’re willing to bet on the one trending downward?
MichaelProcton - August 18, 2010
Which one of those dotty numbers represents defense?
MichaelProcton - August 18, 2010
Scenario
If this ends up getting done, who gets dropped? I would hate to see it and hate to say it, but I think it will be Glaus, especially if Freeman is planned as a September callup.
Thoughts?
CharlotteChop - August 18, 2010
Glaus to the DL
It gives us a little time to sort it out.
Darin H - August 18, 2010
Glaus/Lee platoon- gives each other days off to stay relatively strong = awesome production from first for the rest of the season.
jbeachbum24 - August 18, 2010
they're both right handed
roberty - August 18, 2010
A platoon doesn’t have to include both a lefty and a righty. This platoon would be a platoon to keep two old guys healthy and fresh.
sleezer1788 - August 18, 2010
exactly
jbeachbum24 - August 18, 2010
you must be thinking someone else manages the Braves.
10-4 - August 18, 2010
I just want straight Lee
No platoon
ATLandUNC - August 18, 2010
I really believe it is Glaus’ health that is keeping him from performing like he did in May. Same as people say put him on the DL, I think if the demand of playing 90% of the games is gone then we might see a resurgance from Glaus.
jbeachbum24 - August 18, 2010
I like the idea of a platoon. I’d like to see what some rest can do for Glaus, and with Lee not exactly being young either, he could use regular days off as well.
sleezer1788 - August 18, 2010
Justin, this is looking more and more like a GT.
Obviously, 1st base is the weekest link, Holmes.
Quit constantly bitching about Gonzalez. It makes you look more and more retarded.
Sorry, but it needs to be said. So you can reflect.
Chief Noc-A-Homa - August 18, 2010
Imagine if we get into a fight? Lee, Heyward and Farnsworth comin at ya? I don't think anyone will be starting crap with this team.
ATLandUNC - August 18, 2010
LMFAO. word. Don't forget Huddy.
Chief Noc-A-Homa - August 18, 2010
And Melky seems like a guy who would throw in a cheap shot
Hit ‘em when they’re down
KJDH2154 - August 18, 2010
that made me laugh out loud at work. asshole.
Chief Noc-A-Homa - August 18, 2010
Geez, where do you work?
Laughing=/fired?
MichaelProcton - August 18, 2010
he works for [insert political person who you think is evil]
Swo12bv - August 18, 2010
he brought the aluminum bats to bring the 5'10" power
Londonjoe - August 18, 2010
Hinski
Clemson Caniac - August 18, 2010
and Brooksie reminds me of that dude that beat up like 10 people in that parking lot. The dude that was on Viva la Bam every now and then.
He would be taking names. Like Batman.
Chief Noc-A-Homa - August 18, 2010
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/1314875/one_guy_vs_4_guys_street_fight/
Tim Goad - August 18, 2010
You know
That’s a little bit less impressive than you might think it is. I mean, he basically suckerpunches the first two guys, who weren’t really ready for a fight.
Bronn - August 18, 2010
Just posting the link he was referring to.
But maybe they were “tough guys” who were running their mouths.
Tim Goad - August 18, 2010
Chris Young is really tall and is still overextended.
Not really the position you wanna be in in a fight.
Tim Goad - August 18, 2010
look like
he is about to countered in the jaw for a KO
Clemson Caniac - August 18, 2010
can Lee Shoot?
He needs to get his legs down and back behind him
Londonjoe - August 18, 2010
Exactly.
No protection with that extension.
Tim Goad - August 18, 2010
Was that the picture you picked to show that he's GOOD at fighting?
MichaelProcton - August 18, 2010
Anyone else realize
That ESPN seems to cut to commercials when we are next on the ticker??? happened this entire show and I remember it happening in the past haha
MikeTrain - August 18, 2010
Last night, they harped on teh braves for a skinny minute, but the Mets were next on the list, and they kept referring to the Braves as “the Mets.” like their wet dreams.
Chief Noc-A-Homa - August 18, 2010
ESPN
Fellates the Phills and other big city teams. We have to come to expect the shaft of ESPN
Clemson Caniac - August 18, 2010
Which is funny because for every other channel, Atlanta counts as a big market
No.3 TV market, right? not to mention the fact that the Braves are a regional team as well.
Londonjoe - August 18, 2010
Happens to the Panthers EVERY draft.
MichaelProcton - August 18, 2010
When the Panthers become relevant again, it will stop.
Tim Goad - August 19, 2010
DOB Twitter:
Derrek Lee hit twice as many homers (4) in #Cubs’ 3-gm series last weekend at St. Louis as #Braves’ Glaus has hit in his past 46 games (2).
KJDH2154 - August 18, 2010
DOB is a genius
perplexing
Chief Noc-A-Homa - August 18, 2010
LAST WEEKEND!! Not 3 weeks ago
This guy is an immediate upgrade
KJDH2154 - August 18, 2010
Recent results don't exactly mean immediate success
and we don’t get to apply those homeruns toward our future games.
Bronn - August 18, 2010
You can say that about ANY player in ANY sport
KJDH2154 - August 18, 2010
Not just sports, anything
Londonjoe - August 18, 2010
Agreed
So we shouldn’t bring up Freeman either, cause his recent results won’t mean immediate success.
KJDH2154 - August 18, 2010
To bad they don't write waterfalls for baseball players
at least ones that are publicly available
Londonjoe - August 18, 2010
Don't go chasin waterfalls...
stick to the rivers and the lakes that you’re used to.
Mr. Sanchez - August 18, 2010
Technical analysis was invented by lazy people
so that they, too, could be brokers
Londonjoe - August 18, 2010
Makes sense.
It’s a lot harder to put out the fire on Andre Rison’s house if you’re trying to hook the firehose up to a waterfall.
Jacob Peterson - August 18, 2010
thanks for catching the reference
and well played
Mr. Sanchez - August 18, 2010
Minor quibble:
the song you’re referencing is actually a slant on a line from a Wings song, titled “Waterfalls”. TLC isn’t that original.
hailtogeorgia - August 18, 2010
The Wings lyrics
are pretty different. Even if TLC didn’t invent the song, it was pretty clear what Mr. Sanchez was referring to.
Jacob Peterson - August 18, 2010
Don’t go jumping waterfalls, please stick to the lakes? That’s not that different.
hailtogeorgia - August 18, 2010
It’s also two lines of two otherwise completely different songs.
Not very relevant at all. There’s millions of songs with similar lyrics that have nothing to do with each other.
-C
cthabeerman - August 18, 2010
I wasn't saying they had anything to do with each other.
I said it was a slant on a line from a Wings song. Nothing more.
hailtogeorgia - August 18, 2010
Know what a slant on the TLC song was?
Don’t go chasin’ waterfalls. Stick to them dicks and balls that you used to. —Ice Cube
Chopaholic - August 18, 2010
Very nice.
There was also the Weird Al parody of it, which was “Don’t go makin phony calls, please stick to the seven digit numbers you’re used to”.
hailtogeorgia - August 18, 2010
+1
for the Weird Al reference
bravesguy311 - August 18, 2010
Considering the entirety of what he typed,
yes, it is “pretty different,” as I said.
TLC may be unoriginal, but that quote has nothing to do with Wings.
Jacob Peterson - August 18, 2010
pac,
we just aren’t seeing eye to eye today. I wasn’t saying that the quote had anything to do with Wings. I was saying that the line actually came as a slant on a line from a Wings song. Jesus Christ.
hailtogeorgia - August 18, 2010
and I wasn't arguing that he was unclear.
I was just putting a piece of trivia out there.
hailtogeorgia - August 18, 2010
Exactly
So I don’t see why everyone is so excited about this trade. Lee isn’t clearly a better hitter than Troy Glaus over the course of this year, and over the course of their careers, he’s really only slightly better. Over the next month and a half, I’m going to call it a coinflip as to which guy would produce better numbers.
Bronn - August 18, 2010
deja vu for me right now
MikeTrain - August 18, 2010
Because if we can get one, let alone both...
healthy for September and October, that gives us a much improved lineup. I agree, that Glaus MAY perform as good or bad as Lee from here on out, but I’d like our chances with both around of having at least one healthy and able to provide RH power in the 4 or 5 spot of the order.
Mr. Sanchez - August 18, 2010
I agree.
I mean, if you have one 50/50 raffle ticket, that’s good. But having 2 of those tickets improves your chances of winning. Not by a ton, but by a noticeable amount. Lee’s no guarantee, but he’s got a good chance of helping us.
Jacob Peterson - August 18, 2010
Having two tickets only helps your chances of winning...
if the total number of tickets stays constant. Having two tickets with 50/50 chances of winning doesn’t improve your chances of winning. Your chances are still 50%.
Basically, I’m saying that having two guys (who are substitutes for one another) who might do well doesn’t give you better chances than having just one guy who might do well. They act indepently of each other.
hailtogeorgia - August 18, 2010
that's not right
if each ticket has a 50% chance of winning, then your overall chance of at least one of them winning is 75%
telemakhos - August 18, 2010
actually your odds of winning are 100%
if you have two tickets with 50/50 odds then you have the only two tickets, since someone has to win the raffle
DCP916 - August 18, 2010
think of it as a slot machine, where they just automatically set the probability to 50%
telemakhos - August 18, 2010
You must have misunderstood the metaphor--or probability.
Because they act independently, the odds of one or the other succeeding are higher than 50% (75%, to be precise).
It works like this:
25% chance they BOTH win
25% chance just Glaus wins
25% chance just Lee wins
25% chance NEITHER win
Jacob Peterson - August 18, 2010
I was referring to them as substitutes for one another.
But I see the point.
My logic was that on a given day, only one of them is going to be playing first, thus your chances are 50% that Glaus wins, or 50% that Lee wins, depending upon who starts. I wasn’t combining them.
hailtogeorgia - August 18, 2010
You're wrong...
If you keep Glaus, then (a) he stinks or (b) he doesn’t. That’s a 50% chace of success.
If you ADD Lee, then (a) Glaus and Lee both stink; (b) Glaus and Lee both get hot or (c ) either Glaus or Lee get hot*…
In the above scenario, you have a 75% chance of at least one 1B becoming hot…Thus improving your odds by 25%, as we only need 1 ticket to win…
*This assumes that both guys get playing time on the Braves…
Jman781 - August 18, 2010
Glad to see I'm not the only one who saw that.
Jacob Peterson - August 18, 2010
The fundamentals are bad in the same places, namely, they're hurting in places that don't get better at their age
However, the good for Lee is a tad better than Glaus (Lee has more consistent power at this point in his career). However, both of them would perform better in a platoon than one of them on their own, IMO.
Londonjoe - August 18, 2010
Except that Lee is getting better, while Glaus is getting worse.
MichaelProcton - August 18, 2010
I like the move. I like it as long as Lee is healthy right now. I also believe this move shows what the FO is looking forward too. This moves allows us to put Glaus on the DL to get some rest and get healthy. Maybe Glaus can play 3rd, maybe not. But it also shows that we are not just trying to get to a WS, but to win a championship. If we can have a healthy Lee at 1B and a healthy Glaus as a DH, it extends and deepens are lineup to go against the likes of the Yankees and Rays.
dkinser86 - August 18, 2010
I would still only use Glaus as a DH as an absolute last resort. Because, more than likely, he strikes out swinging.
Chief Noc-A-Homa - August 18, 2010
THEY JUST PASSED OVER US
next headline said “Braves Roll On”
and after the break… “Let’s goto San Diego”
hahaha
MikeTrain - August 18, 2010
that always happens, too, doesn’t it? Phuckers.
Chief Noc-A-Homa - August 18, 2010
They all hate the Braves. they view them as cockblocking the Phils and Mets for 14 years.
Chief Noc-A-Homa - August 18, 2010
It's a 3 for 1 deal today at ESPN
3 stories about Favre, 1 about something else. Repeat that process for 12 hours.
KJDH2154 - August 18, 2010
And we are nowhere in sight on the ticker now...
ESPN can suck a big one, and to think I used to love ESPN in the mid- late 90’s
MikeTrain - August 18, 2010
ESPN used to be decent.
With the additions of the NFL and MLB networks, they can concentrate on their “core audience” which they consider to be New York, Boston, Philly, Chicago, LA and Dallas.
Pavy848 - August 18, 2010
No reports posted on ESPNAtlanta.com lately, huh?
MichaelProcton - August 18, 2010
If anything our defense as a team would be improved considerably, compared to the one we started the season with.
1b Glaus
2b Prado
ss Escobar
3b Chipper
c Mccann
lf Melky/Diaz
cf McLouth
rf Heyward
1b Lee
2b Infante
ss Gonzalez
3b Prado
c McCann
lf Melky/Diaz/Hinske
cf Melky//Ankiel
rf Heyward
roberty - August 18, 2010
Funny how while you say our defense has “improved” their stats have gotten worse.
SuperNewb - August 18, 2010
it would improve braves bats
I seen where someone said Glaus was heating up? You Could Stick a torch in his ass and he would probaly still strike out. Derrick Lee Would be a hell of improvement.
jayball - August 18, 2010
Probably the same guy that’s calling for Gonzo’s head.
Chief Noc-A-Homa - August 18, 2010
of course he would strike out…he has a torch up his ass…the only person who can get a hit with a torch up their ass is Pujols..and thats because he is immune to fire
Swo12bv - August 18, 2010
I don’t know if I like this….
MBL1 - August 18, 2010
You like it.
Chief Noc-A-Homa - August 18, 2010
I don’t think I do
MBL1 - August 18, 2010
You don’t?
Chief Noc-A-Homa - August 18, 2010
I’m never optimistic
MBL1 - August 18, 2010
Really?
Mr. Don’t STOP Believ N
Jman781 - August 18, 2010
Pretty sure it'd be ...
Ms, not Mr
Mr. Sanchez - August 18, 2010
lol
MBL1 - August 18, 2010
You’ll learn to like it. Just like lima beans.
roberty - August 18, 2010
eeww
MBL1 - August 18, 2010
yeah. ewwwwwwww.
……lima beans? maybe spinach.
Chief Noc-A-Homa - August 18, 2010
with butter and salt
Chief Noc-A-Homa - August 18, 2010
balut FTW
ByrneSupremacy - August 18, 2010
Just needs hot sauce.
Hot sauce makes anything better.
Chopaholic - August 18, 2010
Bacon
needs bacon.
Darin H - August 18, 2010
No, no...
Bacon FOAM.
MichaelProcton - August 18, 2010
I really don't want to wade into the discussion above,
which I’m sure is a furious “justin vs. everyone” debate that has probably morphed into why he thinks we never should have traded Yunel for Gonzalez.
But… I think I like this deal. Now we only need one of Lee/Glaus to be healthy and performing. No guarantee that either will, but this seems like a very low-risk, potentially high-reward move. Which is my favorite kind.
Jacob Peterson - August 18, 2010
Good idear.
It’s got legs, arms, and a head, now.
Chief Noc-A-Homa - August 18, 2010
But not torso yet
That’s what worries me, what’s going to hold them all together??
KJDH2154 - August 18, 2010
pine tar
Clemson Caniac - August 18, 2010
We can scrape it off of Prado's jersey.
Jacob Peterson - August 18, 2010
don’t you be insulting prado’s awesome jersey pine tar!
MBL1 - August 18, 2010
It was a compliment!
Jacob Peterson - August 18, 2010
lol. I was aboot to say, that's a comliment.
Chief Noc-A-Homa - August 18, 2010
damn it. PPPPP
Chief Noc-A-Homa - August 18, 2010
Are you Canadian? Aboot
KJDH2154 - August 18, 2010
nah, I just think it’s funny. ive been hanging out with this hottie Canadian cutie recently, and she says aboot. lol.
Chief Noc-A-Homa - August 18, 2010
hottie Canadian cutiemy mom, whenever she brings food down to me in the basement:)
Swo12bv - August 18, 2010
LIES!
MBL1 - August 18, 2010
Seems like all of our trades so far have been of that variety. In fact, most of our signing in the offseason were like that, too. I like the idea of getting Lee. He’s been solid for the last couple of months, and very hot since the break. Plus, I think getting Glaus some regular rest could be huge.
sleezer1788 - August 18, 2010
Why has this post...
Become a Glaus v. Lee chain? We don’t lose Glaus; we gain Lee. Who cares who’s better as they would both be on our team. Having both would allow our team to keep the 1B spot healthy and give us the ability to ride the hot hand.
Is there anyone who thinks that this is a BAD move? If so, why? How is potentially adding a guy like Lee hurting our team? Because we lose 3+ million?
Jman781 - August 18, 2010
I thinking this way...
Bench Bats: Glaus® or Lee (L), Hinske, Conrad (S), Ross®, Ankiel (L) or Melky (S).
That’s probably that deepest and most flexible offensive bench … in the Majors, perhaps?
carpengui - August 18, 2010
Lee is a R
Clemson Caniac - August 18, 2010
Yes, my error...
… but I’ll stick with the point: we could go lefty-righty all day long with guys who can pound baseballs.
carpengui - August 18, 2010
I like how Glaus and Ross
are registered trademarks.
But yes, that’s a pretty sweet bench.
Jacob Peterson - August 18, 2010
Yeah, dontcha just love auto-substitution?
carpengui - August 18, 2010
html means you have to code it in
Londonjoe - August 18, 2010
Awesome...
I am going to open up a Braves themed pub named Glaus and Ross! I love it.
Jman781 - August 18, 2010
haha
That would be sweet, though it’d have to change its name after the season in all probability.
Jacob Peterson - August 18, 2010
It’as actually not that flexible with only one player being able to play IF/OF.
BenDuronio - August 18, 2010
But Infante can play IF/OF, too.
Which effectively increases the flexibility of the bench.
Also, I bet Brooks could play in the OF.
Jacob Peterson - August 18, 2010
Prado definitely can if we're in real trouble.
MichaelProcton - August 18, 2010
My idea of “flexibilty” in this context was directed toward pitcher arm matchups. Otherwise, I think Bobby has lots of choices for outfield (at least 6), plus (would be) 3 first basemen, 3 third basemen, 2 shortstops, and 3 second basemen.
carpengui - August 18, 2010
Two Turtle Doves
And a partridge in a pear tree!
Jman781 - August 18, 2010
10 rakers raking
carpengui - August 18, 2010
What is this, a tree service?
MichaelProcton - August 18, 2010
I think it’s a bad move to unsuccessfully go after Lee. I think it’s a great move to successfully go after Lee if you know Glaus can handle 3B defensively.
Not sure how I feel about acquiring Lee and sitting Glaus.
Yakker - August 18, 2010
Because at this point, they can't both occupy a spot in the lineup.
MichaelProcton - August 18, 2010
So who would we trade to them?
MBL1 - August 18, 2010
Money
a player to be named later, gypsies, candy, but no prospects
Clemson Caniac - August 18, 2010
Big money, no whammies!
J-Turn14 - August 18, 2010
+1
Bronn - August 18, 2010
A smile and the fact that they got to figuratively shake Wren’s hand.
And we pick up the tab.
Chief Noc-A-Homa - August 18, 2010
We'll buy them some Fish Tacos
Bronn - August 18, 2010
Cash
He’s struggling in the minors
KJDH2154 - August 18, 2010
SSS
Jacob Peterson - August 18, 2010
This is one of the acronyms I have no clue what it means.
Tim Goad - August 18, 2010
Small Sample Size
bighop - August 18, 2010
Thanks.
Tim Goad - August 18, 2010
took me a while to figure it out.
small sample size
telemakhos - August 18, 2010
Randy Gress
or Michael Noboa maybe.
Mr. Sanchez - August 18, 2010
Hopefully it's something like that
Really don’t want to give up even a decent prospect in this thing.
Bronn - August 18, 2010
From what's being said...
that won’t happen, and for the Cubs it’s all about saving money (since they waste so much on Fukudome, Soriano, Zambrano, etc, etc, etc, well basically the whole roster is overpaid except mayb Marmol and Starlin Castro).
Mr. Sanchez - August 18, 2010
I'd take Soto at his price.
MichaelProcton - August 18, 2010
Will the Newark Bears let us purchase his contract so we can trade him?
MichaelProcton - August 18, 2010
this may be a little off topic but would u rather have freeman or howard in the next 5 years?
ccoolguy2003 - August 18, 2010
Freeman.
MBL1 - August 18, 2010
Freeman
ByrneSupremacy - August 18, 2010
i'll get back to you in 5 years
Clemson Caniac - August 18, 2010
Well played.
Chopaholic - August 18, 2010
lol
I think I might take Freeman even without the contracts. But with the contracts, this one’s a no-brainer.
Jacob Peterson - August 18, 2010
This
Yakker - August 18, 2010
+1
MichaelProcton - August 18, 2010
If we're including salary Freeman
Just from a production stand points its a lot closer.
nixa37 - August 18, 2010
I prefer...
Marvin Freeman
Jman781 - August 18, 2010
Past his prime.
Chopaholic - August 18, 2010
Pujols
Londonjoe - August 18, 2010
Any ideas on who u think the ROY is gonna be
ccoolguy2003 - August 18, 2010
Jonny "The Vulture" Venters
KJDH2154 - August 18, 2010
Whenever I see Venters’ name, I think of the the Venture Bros
award6 - August 18, 2010
If Venters played for Phillie, it would be Venters. (sad, but true)
When the Braves win the WS, it will be Venters. And all will be right with the world.
Chief Noc-A-Homa - August 18, 2010
Jason “God” Heyward
MBL1 - August 18, 2010
Buster Posey is a good bet if his bat doesn't cool down
Jamie Garcia is in the mix as well as Strasburg. But Jason Heyward is just one hot streak from taking control of the race again.
Bronn - August 18, 2010
Garcia or Stanton
Londonjoe - August 18, 2010
Mike Stanton is playing well too...
is Axford a rookie in Milwaukee? Leake seems to be slowing down, but there are quite a few contenders this year.
Mr. Sanchez - August 18, 2010
I don't see Stanton maintaining his recent hot streak very long
I expect him to encounter some more struggles. He’s very raw in many ways.
Axford is a rookie, but this isn’t a year when you’ll see a relief pitcher win. There are too many other strong players.
Bronn - August 18, 2010
Just saying Axford has a good case...
I’d agree he isn’t likely with others around, lots of others. And I’d guess Garcia is the front runner unless Heyward, Posey, Stanton, Strasburg, or another can have a strong finish, especially if he gets to 15 wins.
Mr. Sanchez - August 18, 2010
Bronn check your e-mail when you can.
BenDuronio - August 18, 2010
Jaime Garcia
will win if Posey cools down at all.
Jacob Peterson - August 18, 2010
Gaby Sanchez
Yakker - August 18, 2010
Sanchez has been solid all year.
MichaelProcton - August 18, 2010
Tyler Colvin
Kobe:The Legend - August 18, 2010
The prospect we may end up trading are in the lower levels
ccoolguy2003 - August 18, 2010
Stupidity
ESPN just said Lee would play 1st, Glaus would play 3rd…..NOT
bighop - August 18, 2010
I read that, too. Whoever wrote that clearly hasn’t seen Glaus on the field.
sleezer1788 - August 18, 2010
that would work
for about 5 seconds, until Glaus’ legs crumbled into dust when he tried to make a play.
Jacob Peterson - August 18, 2010
But as said above...
if we gave him two weeks on the DL to rest and rehab, how much better could he move? It’s not like he has a significant injury to his legs, just a lot of wear and tear and tired bones. Not saying a DL stint would allow him that much movement to play 3rd and make the quick reactions and charging plays that need to be made there, but it’s possible. Especially if you think he’d be a 6 inning player at 3rd, and subbed for by a pinch runner or defensive replacement in Infante or Conrad, could be given 1-2 days off per week to stay fresh, etc.
Mr. Sanchez - August 18, 2010
the concern with many is Lee is not an upgrade over Glauss
So why move Troy so that 2 Troy Glauss type hitters are in the line-up and remove Infante. It makes no sense.
Clemson Caniac - August 18, 2010
Lee could easily be an upgrade over Glaus
It’s no guarantee, but I’d say it’s fairly likely.
But regardless, Troy is not going to be playing 3B regularly.
Jacob Peterson - August 18, 2010
My point...
Playing both Lee and Glaus does nothing but put us right back where we are. No sense risking having Troy at 3rd
Clemson Caniac - August 18, 2010
What would the risk be, exactly?
MichaelProcton - August 18, 2010
If both are healthy and hitting at the level the are capable of...
Prado
Heyward
Lee
McCann
Glaus
is a damn strong top 5, and Infante doesn’t have to be removed. He could play CF over Melky and Ankiel, LF over Diaz or Hinske, or 3B when Lee or Glaus need a rest (or also in later innings as a pinch runner/defensive sub once Glaus hits in the 6th or 7th).
Mr. Sanchez - August 18, 2010
he has chronic knee problems. he will not play 3rd base ever again.
telemakhos - August 18, 2010
And you know this how?...
eyeball perception would lead me to say the same thing, but I’ve never seen Troy or any medical people say that, and if he was able to get his legs back healthier in a signficant amount, he may well be able too. He’s played there before, as recently as last year (meaning after his shoulder surgery).
Mr. Sanchez - August 18, 2010
Wren said it last week didn’t he?
bighop - August 18, 2010
If so, I didn't see that
and again, if he spends two weeks on the DL, no one knows how much better he could move around. Probably not much better than he is now, but maybe it is too.
Mr. Sanchez - August 18, 2010
Folowing Chipper going down, Wren said Glaus was not an option because of his lack of mobility. With rest, who knows. But Glaus was really slow in Spring Training too.
bighop - August 18, 2010
gotta link?
Mr. Sanchez - August 18, 2010
I read it somewhere too – MLBTR, maybe?
Wren definitely said that Glaus is not an option for 3B right now.
Maybe post-DL that would be a different story…
justincredubil02 - August 18, 2010
He said it during the post-injury Chipper interview
I’ve got no link, tho. I’d check fan shots, maybe something in there…
-C
cthabeerman - August 18, 2010
He said it during the presser.
BullManUGA - August 18, 2010
No
just my memory….and I’m old as hell, don’t trust it!
bighop - August 18, 2010
never mind, found it on ajc
but he did say because of the health of his legs, and maybe a DL stint would allow better health and mobility making it a legit option.
Mr. Sanchez - August 18, 2010
He did not.
MichaelProcton - August 18, 2010
Based on what, exactly?
MichaelProcton - August 18, 2010
If we DL him to get him some rest,
we might be able to do that. I think the DL is a very good option for Troy.
I wouldn’t play Troy at 3B every day or for a whole game, but he could get some time there.
Jacob Peterson - August 18, 2010
He'd be at best a platoon player at 3rd
He doesn’t need rest, he needs a time machine…..those knees are history after a career of playing 3rd, and there’s a reason he is at 1st.
Glaus is about to become the 1st-base version of pre-chipper-injury-Infante — come in when he’s needed and hopefully produce since he’s not having to work every day.
skymuse - August 18, 2010
Yeah, there is a reason.
We have this Chippy fellow who plays over there.
MichaelProcton - August 18, 2010
lol. Go back to covering the Yanks and Phils, you freaking hacks.
Chief Noc-A-Homa - August 18, 2010
I’d rather they blab about the Yanks and Phils all the time than cause shame to us.
MBL1 - August 18, 2010
Wait espn stopped talking about Favre and talked about the Braves… I call bullshit on you sir
SuperHeyward - August 18, 2010
Damn
Thought I could sneak that one by
bighop - August 18, 2010
I’m too quick
SuperHeyward - August 18, 2010
By the way
they also said it was for prospects, probably wrong again!
bighop - August 18, 2010
Whoops.
MichaelProcton - August 18, 2010
The stupidity of ESPN is proven once again
MBL1 - August 18, 2010
"Who is this...... Inn-fahn-tay?" -ESPN
Chief Noc-A-Homa - August 18, 2010
Once, Fox called him “In-fon-tee”
MBL1 - August 18, 2010
…once? lol
Chief Noc-A-Homa - August 18, 2010
well you know what I mean
MBL1 - August 18, 2010
lol. mhmm
Chief Noc-A-Homa - August 18, 2010
Wait, when did they start letting them sign infants? We need to go talk to Favre and get the answers!
Londonjoe - August 18, 2010
My favorite line in that vein:
“Huh huh…his name means baybee.”
—My drunken mother at a game
MichaelProcton - August 18, 2010
Just found this out
a minute ago from ESPN. I had to get on to find out what prospect the Braves planned to give up. Thanks for reassuring me that it won’t be anyone “big.”
hawves - August 18, 2010
misleading bolded title there. Easy. lol
Chief Noc-A-Homa - August 18, 2010
Glaus would DH vs. LHP during World Series
A lineup with Glaus DH’ing and Lee at 1B is much better than Diaz DH’ing, Melky in LF, and Glaus at 1B. Basically subbing Lee for Melky if it got that far, a big improvement against the likes of Sabathia, Pettitte, Price, Lee, or Wilson.
BenDuronio - August 18, 2010
Good point.
I hope that we get to find out just how much better that would be.
Jacob Peterson - August 18, 2010
Now that I think about it, it would probably be subbing Lee for Ankiel, since Melky would probably play center against lefties in the playoffs. That’s an even bigger move in that case.
BenDuronio - August 18, 2010
Sabathia, Pettitte, Price, Lee, or Wilson.which one of these is not like the other…i love CJ Wilson as much as anyone else but he is clearly not to be included with those 4 dudes….even with the way he’s pitched
Swo12bv - August 18, 2010
Umm...
He’s never had a bad season as a starter. Ever.
MichaelProcton - August 18, 2010
[ ;) ]
MichaelProcton - August 18, 2010
Well Played Mauer
Swo12bv - August 18, 2010
I think I like it
VivaLosBravos - August 18, 2010
via MLBT.....
10:40am: The Braves and Cubs are “way along in the process” of working out a deal, according to ESPN.com’s Jerry Crasnick (all Twitter links). Lee appears willing to accept the deal, but the clubs haven’t determined which players would go to Chicago. Not surprisingly, the Cubs don’t seem likely to get big-time prospects in the potential deal.
Chief Noc-A-Homa - August 18, 2010
This would be a pretty large deal for a waivers-required trade.
carpengui - August 18, 2010
This would be fantastic!
We get a huge upgrade offensivly and defensivly at 1B, then we can DL or release Glaus
Imagine a lineup of either
Infante
Prado
Lee
McCann
JHEY
Hinske/Diaz
Sea Bass
Melky(no Ankiel he sucks)
Or we can do the lineup we did last night but put
Infante
JHEY
Prado
Lee/Mac
Lee/Mac
LF
Sea Bass
CF
Lee is a huge upgrade and I really hope we get this done and don’t rush FF
KINGSLYTUT - August 18, 2010
I’ve been fairly impressed with Ankiel as a 4th
and with Melky, being the man, and whatnot
Chief Noc-A-Homa - August 18, 2010
Ankiel is a 4th OF
Melky needs to be playing everyday over him, because Melky has been awesome
KINGSLYTUT - August 18, 2010
not a talent evaluation
but I love Melky. I want him to play every day.
VivaLosBravos - August 18, 2010
I think Bobby does, too.
I felt bad for Melky when he was taken out for a while. He had done nothing wrong.
Hope he sticks around.
Chief Noc-A-Homa - August 18, 2010
he sucked at the beginning of the year
he has been awesome recently though and needs to be everyday player right now
KINGSLYTUT - August 18, 2010
well, the Braves lost 9 in a row at the beginning of the year.
I meant, once he started his tear, and then we got Ankiel, and Melky lost some playing time, but he had been raking.
Chief Noc-A-Homa - August 18, 2010
DOB said it best
melky has been good for longer this year than he had been bad. Its time we all jump onboard with Melk
bluelg - August 18, 2010
I'm loving all this Melk-Man love!
For a long time, it seemed like I was his only defender. It’s good to have company.
Jacob Peterson - August 18, 2010
Melky’s early struggles, could that have simply been switching leagues?
bighop - August 18, 2010
I have no idea.
Perhaps. Could have just been influenced by the weird team-wide slump that was in effect for most of April.
Jacob Peterson - August 18, 2010
Yeah, you’re probably right. He has been hitting well for months, I wish he started more than does.
bighop - August 18, 2010
Me too.
I do not like Ankiel at all.
Jacob Peterson - August 18, 2010
Yeah...
I was pro-Ankiel…Until I actually saw him play with my own eyes…
Jman781 - August 18, 2010
I like em both.
But Melky alot more.
If Ankiel actually had someone work with him about laying off the high stuff….
Chief Noc-A-Homa - August 18, 2010
melky’s first pitch swinging outs still piss me off to no end. at least work the count before you go up there and weakly pop out
telemakhos - August 18, 2010
ding, ding, ding
Ankiel can obviously learn, somebody just needs to teach. And don’t accuse me of dissing on TP, I’m one of the few who like him.
bighop - August 18, 2010
Just keep this in mind:
(most of) the best hitters on our team, don’t even understand what the hell TP is saying.
Chief Noc-A-Homa - August 18, 2010
This is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.
Jacob Peterson - August 18, 2010
Is it?
Chief Noc-A-Homa - August 18, 2010
Yes.
Though it’s tied with a bunch of other things.
Jacob Peterson - August 18, 2010
lol
Chief Noc-A-Homa - August 18, 2010
Awesome.
LOL
Jman781 - August 18, 2010
Hey now, I was there too.
justincredubil02 - August 18, 2010
I've been wanting Heyward to hit fifth all season long...
But I actually like the second lineup better.
Go figure…
-C
cthabeerman - August 18, 2010
I'd love to see JHEY #5
KINGSLYTUT - August 18, 2010
you like the Prado #3 right?
KINGSLYTUT - August 18, 2010
Prado second (my 2 cents)
carpengui - August 18, 2010
I really like Omar leading off and Prado hitting 3rd.
but it’s practically interchangable
Chief Noc-A-Homa - August 18, 2010
eeh thery are very similar
but Prado has more pop
KINGSLYTUT - August 18, 2010
Prado will do whatever, (because he’s THE team player) but I don’t think he really enjoyed lead-off, despite how well he did.
Chief Noc-A-Homa - August 18, 2010
Yeah – Prado would be great for hit-n-run plays; that’s cool for 2nd or 3rd in the order.
carpengui - August 18, 2010
I like Prado anywhere, tbh.
Heyward’s been batting second for so long, I’ve come around. He gets on base, he’s got decent speed. He’s doing his job at that spot in the lineup, so there’s just not much need to fiddle with it.
I’m also more comfortable with Lee driving in runs than Glaus. Dunno why, could be that the grass is simply greener on the other side of the fence. I love the prospect of Lee/McCann at the 4-5 spots with Diaz/Hinske hitting sixth (mostly Diaz).
-C
cthabeerman - August 18, 2010
I like him near the top of the order
VivaLosBravos - August 18, 2010
You don’t release a guy like Glaus. DL-ing him is one thing. Releasing him would be just retarded.
justincredubil02 - August 18, 2010
why?
he has had 1 awesome month and the rest have either been alright or he has been pathetic..he isn’t that good deal with it
KINGSLYTUT - August 18, 2010
yeah
somebody like the Royals would snatch him right up
lol
Chief Noc-A-Homa - August 18, 2010
I'd think White Sox, Rays, maybe the Giants...
among others.
Mr. Sanchez - August 18, 2010
lol. Is Troy really batting .270?
Chief Noc-A-Homa - August 18, 2010
huh?
MichaelProcton - August 18, 2010
pathetic?
Did all of his RBIS come in one month? Last i checked he still leads the team. O and where would we be without that awesome month?
bluelg - August 18, 2010
1 month!!!!!
ok he was month MVP but you’re gonna tell me he hasn’t sucked of late…ok i think I know how many games you have watched!
KINGSLYTUT - August 18, 2010
busted
you got me. a difference in opinion means i havent watched many games this year. I was simply saying, no need to go apeshit on glaus, we all have eyes, we all have been extremely upset with what we’ve seen since may. Im not saying glaus is our best player or even in the top ten at the moment, but I’d hardly call him pathetic for what he’s given us this year as a whole and for once i agree with justin…“releasing him would be retarded” …….no wait, lets say dumb, releasing glaus would be dumb……I feel strange agreeing with justin 100%.
bluelg - August 18, 2010
haha
i think the extra roster space is more valuable than glaus to come off the bench and hit into a DP
KINGSLYTUT - August 18, 2010
Guarantee: release Glaus and he wouldn’t miss more than 2 games before somebody else picked him up.
carpengui - August 18, 2010
yeah. the Orioles.
not meant as an insult. just being real, here
Chief Noc-A-Homa - August 18, 2010
Red Sox
Londonjoe - August 18, 2010
them, too
Chief Noc-A-Homa - August 18, 2010
well if you DL him, that covers the roster spot until rosters expand in september. win-win
telemakhos - August 18, 2010
any ideas when/if this deal could be done?
and when DLEE could/if debut for us
KINGSLYTUT - August 18, 2010
We have a series coming up in Chicago this weekend
I would think he would just walk on over to the visitors dugout then.
KJDH2154 - August 18, 2010
Wait?? Did we just get ahead of ourselves?
KJDH2154 - August 18, 2010
remember when NYY almost got Lee
i thought it’d be soo funny because they were playing each other and he could just walk to the other team
KINGSLYTUT - August 18, 2010
no way Brett Favre is in Minnesota
on the sideline " Tommy Hanson throws perfect game 27 K’s"
KINGSLYTUT - August 18, 2010
if his back is going to hold is a good trade, if not, then our two first baseman will have injuries problems the rest of the way…we’ll see..
wisco - August 18, 2010
IF
FF keeps raking in AAA and doesn’t get called up…can he be a top 5 prospect next year?
KINGSLYTUT - August 18, 2010
What does him being called up
have to do with anything?
K.Brown - August 18, 2010
he wouldn't be a prospect...
KINGSLYTUT - August 18, 2010
Sure he would.
September time doesn’t count as “real” time.
jtw126 - August 18, 2010
anyways
could he be a top 5 prospect?
KINGSLYTUT - August 18, 2010
probably not. more like top 15
telemakhos - August 18, 2010
no
definitely top 25, should be top 20 or even 15
Braves24 - August 18, 2010
Not possible.
The top 5 spots are consumed by J-Terd’s awesomeness.
Chopaholic - August 18, 2010
Hope this happens soon..
I’m flying up to Wrigley for the weekend series. I like the move, and it would be hilarious to see D. Lee walk across the infield!
KnoxMC - August 18, 2010
And hit a walk-off for us
In one of the games
KJDH2154 - August 18, 2010
And even if he didn’t, someone else would.
Chief Noc-A-Homa - August 18, 2010
How would he hit a walk-off
if he’s on the Braves and we’re in Wrigley?
Jacob Peterson - August 18, 2010
touche.
he meant, a bomb that’s really clutch
Chief Noc-A-Homa - August 18, 2010
very carefully
BullManUGA - August 18, 2010
The Cubs would be so demoralized they'd forego their last ups
Yakker - August 18, 2010
They would assume that they had been batting since Lee hit it. Does make for a confusing celebration around home plate, though.
carpengui - August 18, 2010
Just so long as no one goes Kendry Morales on him
Lee’s back couldn’t take it.
Yakker - August 18, 2010
Hm.
That could happen. I could really see Sweet Lou just throwing up his hands in frustration and leading the team into the clubhouse.
Jacob Peterson - August 18, 2010
Wow, what I would give to see that happen
Yakker - August 18, 2010
Rec’d…..that is a pretty picture in my head!
bighop - August 18, 2010
I'd like to see if they would throw it back!
KnoxMC - August 18, 2010
Reply fail, but that would be hilarious.
carpengui - August 18, 2010
Adam LaRoche cleared waivers
Pause Wren! We have a better option!
http://tinyurl.com/mrf3rr
BenDuronio - August 18, 2010
Wow.
That is VERY surprising to me. That may be better (though I’m not 100% convinced it would be). I am not a big LaRoche fan, but he certainly did well for us last year. Plus, he’s a lefty, so a Glaus/LaRoche platoon would be easy to implement.
Jacob Peterson - August 18, 2010
I would definitely prefer him to Derek Lee.
Andy Braves Fan - August 18, 2010
LaRoche has a .925 OPS vs. lefties this season.
BenDuronio - August 18, 2010
SSS
.779 OPS vs. LHP career
.850 OPS vs. RHP career
Not that the numbers matter, since Bobby would platoon them no matter what just b/c they hit with opposite hands.
Jacob Peterson - August 18, 2010
You’re correct, I’d rather a platoon of them than just Derek though, not that it will happen. I posted that mainly for the people who yell “left-handed” at first, but don’t realize that Lee has hit lefties worse this year and LaLa has hit them better.
BenDuronio - August 18, 2010
We don’t need another left handed bat!
BullManUGA - August 18, 2010
Left handed.
Fatvirus - August 18, 2010
wouldn't that block FF?
doesn’t LaRoche have like 2 years left on his deal
KINGSLYTUT - August 18, 2010
No.
1-year deal. He passed up a 2-year deal with SF to sign with ARI for 1 and less money.
Jacob Peterson - August 18, 2010
yeah. you know that hurt.
Chief Noc-A-Homa - August 18, 2010
I think LaRoche has an option that vests if traded, doesn’t he?
Weldon - August 18, 2010
No.
It’s a mutual option that increases from $7.5M to $9.5M if traded, but it’s not guaranteed.
Jacob Peterson - August 18, 2010
options are always nice
Chief Noc-A-Homa - August 18, 2010
Yes, though that one would be a LOT more expensive to obtain (in terms of prospects).
carpengui - August 18, 2010
How ae the Giants letting both through...
but adding Jose Guillen?
Mr. Sanchez - August 18, 2010
They really wanted Huff at 1B
Yakker - August 18, 2010
Just a guess...
a. LaRoche spurned their offer before the season;
b. Lee represents money they didn’t wanna spend;
c. you can’t call everyone’s bluff.
d. The Huff reference above.
carpengui - August 18, 2010
Aren't they spending on Guillen?
so B is bull.
Both would be better additions than Guillen, but let the Giants waste without an offense.
Mr. Sanchez - August 18, 2010
I retract (b) – I thought his contract was a lot cheaper than that.
carpengui - August 18, 2010
The rest don't really work either...
a means they liked him as a player and wer interested in obtaining his services, and his production this year wouldn’t likely change that.
c isn’t a bluff, it’s adding the piece that makes your team better If available, Lee and LaRoche both > Guillen imo.
and d doesn’t mean much because it’s not like Guillen is better defensively than Huff, and he’s been in RF for them most of the year.
Mr. Sanchez - August 18, 2010
Actually, Guillen is better defensively than Huff.
You guys are over-thinking this. The Giants really needed Huff’s bat in the lineup, but didn’t want both him and Burrell (who, like Huff, is not a good OF) in the corner OF spots. And, they had Ishikawa at 1B who was a sucking vortex offensively, so the simple solution was to add a decent corner OF (Guillen) and shift Huff to 1B. Adding Lee or LaRoche would improve them at 1B offensively (although probably not defensively—Ishikawa seems pretty good) but wold keep their train wreck of a defensive OF.
Yakker - August 18, 2010
Context is important as well...
LaRoche hadn’t cleared waivers when they got Guillen. Since Guillen’s played three games and the waiver time is 48 hours, one could reasonably suspect he wasn’t even on waivers yet. The Giants are also an in-division squad, making the D-Backs somewhat less likely to deal with them.
Lee had just rejected the Angels. Who’s to say that the Giants felt there was no chance he’d accept a trade?? I’m willing to bet the Braves didn’t find out until they inquired on Aramis Ramirez, probably on a counter-offer from the Cubs. Then you factor in that the Giants are fighting for the wild card while the Braves are leading the division (and thus provide a better opportunity for Lee to reach the postseason), and it makes them claiming Lee a reach, at best.
-C
cthabeerman - August 18, 2010
Hey, it’s possible that your explanation is correct.
Or it could just be that the Giants thought an OF would fit their team better than a 1B.
Occam’s Razor and all that…
Yakker - August 18, 2010
And to be honest, I'd agree with that assessment...
a quality RF would be better for them than a quality 1B, for the reasons you mentioned on Huff and Burrell. We disagree in thinking Guillen is better defensively than Huff, as I’m under the impression he’s just as bad (without knowing the UZR, +/- or what have you of them), but I’d agree that adding a quality RF (or 3B since Sandoval could flip to 1B) would have helped more than a guy like Lee or LaRoche. But then, I doubt Guillen as that “quality RF”.
Mr. Sanchez - August 18, 2010
Guillen’s probably deteriorated somewhat, but Sabean operates on 3-year old scouting reports, so they probably think he’s the cat’s meow.
Jose does still have an insane arm.
Yakker - August 18, 2010
So does Frenchy, and he was wanting a starting gig
Mr. Sanchez - August 18, 2010
Funny too, seing as they don’t put outfield assists on the jumbotron.
Yakker - August 18, 2010
LaRoche is really good on D.
MichaelProcton - August 18, 2010
(and Lee is above-average.)
MichaelProcton - August 18, 2010
As crazy as this might sound, I wouldn’t play for the Giants just so I could avoid wearing those cream-colored jerseys. It fucks with my eyes. Like staring at the sun.
Chief Noc-A-Homa - August 18, 2010
Just looked at his stats...
His average is actually .317 against lefties…
I still feel that Lee may be the cheaper option (as in less prospects)…
Jman781 - August 18, 2010
Reply fail...
Jman781 - August 18, 2010
I like this a lot more than the Rameriz talks
Lee’s contract is a whole lot better than Rameriz. I hope we make this trade then put Troy on the 15 day DL
Braves24 - August 18, 2010
Pretty much my thoughts to a T
Very happy with this over Ramirez.
Mike Kerns - August 18, 2010
I know I'm late to the party, but I'll weigh in.
I would love this. I really would. He’s killing it since the ASB, plays very good defense, and it lets us keep Freeman in AAA without starting his clock early. I really like Troy, but it just isn’t working out. With the exception of two or three ABs, he’s looked awful in the last few weeks. We just can’t have that AND his awful defense at 1st. And a lineup like this:
Infante
Prado
Heyward
Lee
McCann
Hinske/Diaz
Gonzalez
Ankiel
isn’t bad at all. We also get draft picks for him at the end of the year, which is always nice.
Get it done FW.
Scott Coleman - August 18, 2010
-Ankiel, +Melky; you’ve got a great lineup :)
BigG1392 - August 18, 2010
Ah, yeah, meant to put Ankiel/Melky in there.
Scott Coleman - August 18, 2010
Melky’s been useful lately, and he makes the game more entertaining… Ankiel is just McLouth 2.0
BigG1392 - August 18, 2010
oh, come on
Ankiel >>> McLouth
he actually throws
Chief Noc-A-Homa - August 18, 2010
Thanks. Atleast some one out there understands.
ATL_BUC - August 18, 2010
I’ve seen people throw in from the outfield harder than McLouth in church softball
Chief Noc-A-Homa - August 18, 2010
If we pick up his $6M option in the off-season, I’ll flip a bitch.
Scott Coleman - August 18, 2010
Is bitch flipping...
The curling of the Summer Olympics?
Jman781 - August 18, 2010
LaRoche contract...
* signed by Arizona as a free agent 1/15/10
* 10:$4.5M, 11:$7.5M mutual option ($1.5M buyout)
* 2011 option increases to $9.5M if traded
So, it’s the pro-rated $4.5M, with the $1.5M buyout. Makes the chunk of change that we’d pay more. Just using math (dunno when or how often the contract gets paid…), it looks like $1.25M left. So he’d cost us $2.75M for the season.
Definitely would not pick up that option, especially with the $2M increase.
-C
cthabeerman - August 18, 2010
whats this about Laroche?
MikeTrain - August 18, 2010
He's available...
…but no longer relevant to this discussion: the Lee deal is apparently all but done.
carpengui - August 18, 2010
I love Adam but
DLee>Laroche
MikeTrain - August 18, 2010
Negative.
BenDuronio - August 18, 2010
They're about equal to me.
I think LaRoche might work a bit better by roster considerations, but he’ll also require more in trade. So really, either trade is just fine by me.
Jacob Peterson - August 18, 2010
Agree...
If you consider the cost, and I am assuming that Lee is cheaper, then both are good moves…
I am much more excited about this move than the Aramis rumored move…
Jman781 - August 18, 2010
Awesome reply stating zero claim as to why you believe that!!!!
MikeTrain - August 18, 2010
And yes everyone knows Adam is a strong second half guy
But DLee is one year removed from an amazing season… not his fault the Cubs are insanely cursed
MikeTrain - August 18, 2010
...and is zero years removed from an amazing post-AS run.
MichaelProcton - August 18, 2010
Actually Ben
I’m sorry but there is no way you can say Adam LaRoche is a better player than Derrek Lee… I’m sorry but no big time stats or even baseball enthusiasts can say that
MikeTrain - August 18, 2010
They were talking about Ankiel.
MichaelProcton - August 18, 2010
that, and
switch Heyward and Prado. What are you, nuts? lol
Chief Noc-A-Homa - August 18, 2010
I still like Heyward hitting 3rd. I don’t know…I feel like he’s going to turn it on and I like him hitting 3rd. There’s no big difference though.
Scott Coleman - August 18, 2010
I agree
I like either Prado or Heyward hitting 3rd… nobody else though!
BigG1392 - August 18, 2010
haha. I hear ya, but as of right now, there’s a big difference.
Nothing against Heyward. It’s his rookie year. But that one tweek is huge.
Chief Noc-A-Homa - August 18, 2010
i like it
i just think giving troy starts against lefties ould work out, lee needs days off the both need to be fresh for the knock on wood postseason
dc_allday - August 18, 2010
from what i've read from braves players...
the lights at turner field are pretty tough to get adjusted to. give ankiel a little more time before giving up on him.
ryan c - August 18, 2010
So what you're saying is...
Smelky is not a good player.
Chopaholic - August 18, 2010
no place for troy...
unless you dl him til september.
ryan c - August 18, 2010
much needed rest
MikeTrain - August 18, 2010
Derrek just called...
dear Derrek has just placed a call
and said it’s no problem at all
be there in the morning
and as per my warning
the Cubbies are toast by the fall
blazon - August 18, 2010
I think the Cubbies were toast by the end of spring.
Chopaholic - August 18, 2010
This is going to get done soon. Troy to the bench.
http://twitter.com/BNightengale/status/21505781603
Scott Coleman - August 18, 2010
Beat me to it...
“The teams will finalize a deal this afternoon.”
carpengui - August 18, 2010
we put him on the 15 day DL. He gets some much needed rest and feels great. Is there any way he could play 3B?
Braves24 - August 18, 2010
no
BenDuronio - August 18, 2010
yea
that’s what I thought
Braves24 - August 18, 2010
That is a statement based in speculation, not fact.
MichaelProcton - August 18, 2010
What is with this irrational thought that Glaus can play 3B?
Clemson Caniac - August 18, 2010
Because he played there most of his career?
BullManUGA - August 18, 2010
I am aware
but his age and aching knees he is more a liability at third than 1st. If people are unhappy with his D at 1st than I would not want to see him playing third.
Clemson Caniac - August 18, 2010
you can’t expect casual fans to know about this
VivaLosBravos - August 18, 2010
I hope you are not talking about me
Braves24 - August 18, 2010
His legs take as much, if not more, abuse at 1st than at 3rd...
or at least if we believe Chipper and his reasoning behind not going to that side of the diamond it is, so that point is not exactly accurate. And it also doesn’t include the possibility that a DL stint rejuvenates his knees.
Mr. Sanchez - August 18, 2010
You cannot try and convince me that
Troy could have made one of those plays Zimmerman made last night. Any slow roller to 3rd and it is a single. His mobility is a weakness and that position is all about reaction and quick efficient movements.
Clemson Caniac - August 18, 2010
So where did I compare him to arguably the best defensive 3B in baseball?
I never said he could play like Zimmerman at the hot corner. I said that 1B requires more movement than 3B, and according to Chipper is much more abusive of legs. And the first part is absolutely true, that 1B requires more movement, at least more frequent movement, than 3B. 1B also has a huge emphasis on reactions (to bad throws, quick plays, short hops, etc) nd quick efficient movements, so it’s not like you’re giving a valid reason at the end there to differentiate 1B from 3B.
Mr. Sanchez - August 18, 2010
we obviously disagree..
But I am extremely glad your name is not Frank Wren.
Clemson Caniac - August 18, 2010
And I'd feel the same about you Clem...
but please tell me how 3B requires more movement than 3B (both cover the IF corner, and one is involved in a much larger amount of plays), how 1B doesn’ require good reactions and quick, efficient movements, or how the footwork involved with 1B is less detailed, less intricate, and less likely to cause leg pain than 3B.
Mr. Sanchez - August 18, 2010
I couldn't see Glaus making a lot of the plays at third.
I don’t think he could make any sort of throw charging in on a bunt. I also don’t think he could make any throw across the diamond after having to hit the deck to stop a ball on the line. At first, he’s not expected to hit the deck that often. He does have to get back to the bag on balls in the infield, but he’s rarely fielding a screamer at him and he’s certainly not expected to stop them. At third, that’s what’s asked of you. I’m not saying he couldn’t play the position at all, but I don’t want to see him there. He looks miles slower now than he did when he played in the hot corner.
hailtogeorgia - August 18, 2010
He has to handle "screamers" at 1B...
and is expected to stop shots down the RF line.
To reiterate, I never said he could play 3B, only that maybe with healthier legs after spending some time on the DL. And I certainly never said he’d play it as well as Ryan Zimmerman, or even Chipper (who has spoiled us on hat charging play since he does it as well as anyone over his career).
Mr. Sanchez - August 18, 2010
He's not expected to handle them at first
with anywhere near the consistency expected of him at third. It’s nice if he stops shots down the RF line, but it’s not expected (in my opinion). He has to cover first to prevent the runner from rounding without any risk of a throw behind him. He can’t do that if he’s flopping around on the ground like a humpback whale after trying to stop a shot down the line.
I know you didn’t say he’d play it well…I never said you did. I’m saying that I don’t think he’d play it well enough to even be serviceable.
hailtogeorgia - August 18, 2010
If a ball gets past him at 1st down the line...
he’s not covering the bag. That argument just holds no weight at all that he’s not expected to handle balls hit in his direction at 1B.
Mr. Sanchez - August 18, 2010
Why not?
Watch him on a ball to right. He goes back to the bag every time. I never said he’s not expected to handle them at all. I said that the expectations at first are much lower than they were/are at third.
hailtogeorgia - August 18, 2010
Longer throws require more use of the lower body. No flipping the back to the pitcher on pick off attempts. Perhaps I misspoke. What I mean is the plays made at third are more demanding on the lower body than 1B. Charging slow rollers and throwing on the run off-balance, cutting balls off in the hole and throwing across the infield. these plays require lots of mobility and low body strength that Glaus does not have. Plays down the line where you have to push off of your back leg to make the quick throw. As a former 3B I see the position as more demanding physically. I can’t envision Troy ranging for a ball in the hole then having to quickly get bag to the bag in the event of runners advancing.
Clemson Caniac - August 18, 2010
Former 3B as well...
and obviously our Hall of Famer at 3B dsagrees with some of what you said, and has said so on multiple occasions. That being this line specifically where Chipper disagrees…
Chipper has said exactly the opposite when discussing any potential move to 1B.
Mr. Sanchez - August 18, 2010
Agree to Disagree
Clemson Caniac - August 18, 2010
Regardless of the Chipper hypothesis...
Glaus’s mobility is much worse than Chipper’s. 1B by nature has a much smaller amount of ground to cover, as the defender is always needed closer to the bag.
While third is also an anchor position, the amount of ground covered is generally larger because they’re not needed to cover third on a routine ball-in-play. It’s only when runners are on or there’s an XBH that third needs to be covered in a conventional sense.
-C
cthabeerman - August 18, 2010
But the movements are different in that...
3B seems more natural and 1B is more intrcate footwork. So I believe the Chipper theory that 3B is easier on the lower body than 1B. That said, I definitely agree that Chipper’s mobility was significantly better than Glaus (prior to his knee injury, and hell maybe still is).
Mr. Sanchez - August 18, 2010
Stretching
Is also an issue, and Chipper was prone to minor strains. Bear in mind, it’s not just the legs with stretching at first, it’s all those different range of motions, upper and lower body, that a first baseman has to make to collect the ball on a throw. I believe Chipper’s strained everything from his obliques to his hammies during his career.
Agreed on the footwork part, it’s a big reason I played third instead of first throughout my playing days (which, admittedly, ended before college). My mobility wasn’t great, but reflexes still play a huge role. At a lower level, the mobility was less important…not the case when you reach advanced levels of competition.
-C
cthabeerman - August 18, 2010
Even in MLB though, 3B is more reactions than mobility...
see Pablo Sandoval among others.
Mr. Sanchez - August 18, 2010
Anyone
Who has watched the Braves on a consistent basis this year knows Glaus at 3rd is not a possibility.
kauf67 - August 18, 2010
thank you
Clemson Caniac - August 18, 2010
And who has seen what he will look like after two full weeks of rest?
Just checking.
MichaelProcton - August 18, 2010
The fact that he was supposed to be able to play there as of this spring.
MichaelProcton - August 18, 2010
Brilliant.
Chief Noc-A-Homa - August 18, 2010
YES
color me happy
MikeTrain - August 18, 2010
I love it
Now Glaus can get some rest and we will have a legit DH for the WS.
JoshuaG - August 18, 2010
He better camp out in the cage with Hinske.
Chief Noc-A-Homa - August 18, 2010
Trade em Cash
MBL1 - August 18, 2010 via mobile
We are going to be dangerous come playoff time
With a well rested Glaus, maybe he becomes our next monster off the bench. No way this deal hurts us, having another WS experienced bat and glove
MikeTrain - August 18, 2010
not to mention
ANOTHER obp and high walks guy… just great :)
MikeTrain - August 18, 2010
Swing and a drive. Belted right! WELCOME TO THE SHOW!!!!!!!!!!
Flip Bartman the bird on your way out.
Chief Noc-A-Homa - August 18, 2010
Any chance on McLouth being part of the deal?
I know the Cubs just wanted to free up salary with moving Lee, so it’s unlikely…….I suppose.
Undocorkscrew - August 18, 2010
The Cubs are stupid.
I really hope they take McLouth
MBL1 - August 18, 2010 via mobile
Oooooohhhhh
Me likey.
Chief Noc-A-Homa - August 18, 2010
I heard he left yesterdays game in the 3rd.....
….so I was racking my brain last night about what it could mean(nothing). Then I wake up today and read this, so my hopes were high. Seriously doubt it though…
Undocorkscrew - August 18, 2010
He went from AS to
Pariah
MikeTrain - August 18, 2010
You, sir, are a genius.
Chief Noc-A-Homa - August 18, 2010
On the radio yesterday, they said Nate left the game with a bruised shin that wouldn’t loosen up from fouling a ball off his shin the day before.
Pavy848 - August 18, 2010
This is correct.
MichaelProcton - August 18, 2010
If the Cubs take McLouth, I’ll send Hendry a ginormous Christmas ham for Christmas.
UMDBHIK - August 18, 2010
onlyif we took Fokudome too...
and then still probably not since he’s better than McLouth
Mr. Sanchez - August 18, 2010
how often does Lee walk?
MBL1 - August 18, 2010 via mobile
as often as a bird chirps
MikeTrain - August 18, 2010
SWEET!!
ATLBRVS_19 - August 18, 2010
excellent eye
MikeTrain - August 18, 2010
Last 30 days performance....
Lee: batting .308, 5 HR, 15 RBI in 78 ABs (which sounds light – reason for that may be below).
On the season, 475 PA’s; 418 AB. 16 HR. This year he’s walking 11% of the time and K’ing 24%. .335 OBP. 16 GIDP is worrisome with 101 K’s and 52 walks.
Report on XM/MLB channel is that Lee has a bulging disk in his lower back and received an epidural injection to relieve this. Will not play again before Thursday.
carpengui - August 18, 2010
Looks like..
We need an overflow thread!
Jman781 - August 18, 2010
RUNS RUNS RUNS
MBL1 - August 18, 2010 via mobile
“We’re fucked.” -justincredible
lmao. just guessing what he’s thinking….
Chief Noc-A-Homa - August 18, 2010
+1
why hasn’t Wren acquired KJ?
Braves24 - August 18, 2010
I’m guessing he didn’t clear waivers – or it could be that KJ doesn’t play CF or SS.
Btw, he hit another HR last night.
justincredubil02 - August 18, 2010
I think LaRoche and KJ were put on waivers at the same time. News just broke today that Adam cleared, so I would say there’s still some small hope that KJ cleared too, but I really doubt it.
Rhyno18 - August 18, 2010
At home...
yes. BOB needs a Humidor like coors.
Mr. Sanchez - August 18, 2010
By my count, that is 12 at home and 8 on the road.
justincredubil02 - August 18, 2010
So 50% more at home
Mr. Sanchez - August 18, 2010
Or only 4 more on the road – since we are dealing with fairly small numbers anyway.
justincredubil02 - August 18, 2010
Like Diory has hit 0% of his homers on the road?
OH NO! Don’t even bat him away from Turner!
MichaelProcton - August 18, 2010
I thought you want him at second and Prado at third
Braves24 - August 18, 2010
I would like that a lot.
justincredubil02 - August 18, 2010
Hell, I want him at second and Prado at first.
MichaelProcton - August 18, 2010
Except I said I like the deal…
justincredubil02 - August 18, 2010
but we made the wrong one, right?
Chief Noc-A-Homa - August 18, 2010
Are you just trying to be stupid?
justincredubil02 - August 18, 2010
Are you just trying to constantly be a giant douche?
Still confused as to why you received a ban warning? nobody else is.
Chief Noc-A-Homa - August 18, 2010
You are making crap up, trying to put words in my proverbial mouth that I never said.
I’m not getting into an ad hominem discussion with you. I’ll just say this: you used to be decent to talk to.
justincredubil02 - August 18, 2010
You have a proverbial mouth?
Which proverb refers to justincredubil02’s mouth? Or is your mouth just incredibly well known?
jtw126 - August 18, 2010
well, it isn’t really my mouth, it is my keyboard and the words that get typed on it and displayed on the screen – that was the proverbial part.
justincredubil02 - August 18, 2010
Still doesn't make sense.
jtw126 - August 18, 2010
yes it does.
justincredubil02 - August 18, 2010
Really??
Explain to me how your keyboard and the words you type on it are in any way ‘proverbial.’
jtw126 - August 18, 2010
So did you. Then you just(in) got incredubily negative.
You were the one asking aloud in some thread about why you had received a ban warning. I’m not trying to put words into anything.
Chief Noc-A-Homa - August 18, 2010
deal will be finalized this after noon. Glaus to the bench
ccoolguy2003 - August 18, 2010
adam laroache cleared waivers too
ccoolguy2003 - August 18, 2010
We do not need another left handed bat.
BullManUGA - August 18, 2010
discussed above
carpengui - August 18, 2010
GLAUS IS NOT GOING TO PLAY 3RD YOU FOOLS
kauf67 - August 18, 2010
With Connie, Infante, and Prado in the mix.....why would he?
Chief Noc-A-Homa - August 18, 2010
who said that?
SuperNewb - August 18, 2010
DOB
BeantownVol - August 18, 2010
THANK YOU!
MBL1 - August 18, 2010 via mobile
CASUAL FANS WOULD NOT KNOW THIS
BullManUGA - August 18, 2010
lee
Why mess with team chemistry at this point. Glaus can heat up, we’ve seen it. Plus Lee isn’t the player he was. His numbers are similar to glaus, minius 20 plus RBI’s. Why mess with sucsess?
jamee h - August 18, 2010
Because, frankly, despite May....
If there was a hole in our everyday line-up, it was Glaus.
this isn’t rocket science.
Did Ankiel or Farnsworth mess with the team chemistry? Not at all.
Chief Noc-A-Homa - August 18, 2010
Not to mention Lee is a great clubhouse guy.
I’d hate to see a guy with a reputation as a team leader/super clubhouse guy come in and screw up the chemistry.
hailtogeorgia - August 18, 2010
If anything, this is insurance. Lee will probably feel like a new man after leaving (gasp!!! super excitement!!!!) Wrigley Field (yawn).
Chief Noc-A-Homa - August 18, 2010
Agreed.
Messing up the clubhouse chemistry is an argument that only is used when a guy is actually a threat to do something like that (Milton Bradley), or if the person is looking for a cop-out reason to not like a trade.
hailtogeorgia - August 18, 2010
Milton Bradley is the man.
VivaLosBravos - August 18, 2010
...yikes
VivaLosBravos - August 18, 2010
stop stop stop stop stop
VivaLosBravos - August 18, 2010
Got it.
RBIs=ultimate measure of success.
MichaelProcton - August 18, 2010
not to mention Lee gets hurt alot
Keep Gluas at first.
jamee h - August 18, 2010
he'll be all rested up on the bench, just in case
It’s Win-Win……Win
Chief Noc-A-Homa - August 18, 2010
Oscar, make the poster into a shirt.
VivaLosBravos - August 18, 2010
Crisis averted
dunnytwogloves - August 18, 2010
who is Gluas?
MBL1 - August 18, 2010 via mobile
lol
Chief Noc-A-Homa - August 18, 2010
maybe he can play 3rd
VivaLosBravos - August 18, 2010
Cash´s friend
joshant - August 18, 2010
Tango?
BullManUGA - August 18, 2010
+ a lot
Swo12bv - August 18, 2010
Hey did you guys hear Brett Favre is coming back
Not sure if ESPN has mentioned it yet, you heard it here first!
KJDH2154 - August 18, 2010
OMG
NO WAYZ
MBL1 - August 18, 2010 via mobile
Can he play 3rd?
carpengui - August 18, 2010
Anybody who watched Brett Farve on a consistent basis knows he cannot. Casual fans would not know this because they don’t belong to the Gold Club.
BullManUGA - August 18, 2010
He should be well rested, and that ankle can’t hurt his range too much. Obviously has the arm for it…
carpengui - August 18, 2010
Why haven't we signed him yet?
DO IT WREN
MBL1 - August 18, 2010 via mobile
If you’re serious: who gives a shit.
If you’re joking: ha-ha-ha
Chief Noc-A-Homa - August 18, 2010
The latter
KJDH2154 - August 18, 2010
pretty sure they’re joking
MBL1 - August 18, 2010 via mobile
who?
award6 - August 18, 2010
Phenomenal.
Another fall and winter listening to douchebag Vikqueen fans run their mouths with their hot-shit Favre jerseys.
God I hate that team.
UMDBHIK - August 18, 2010
I wonder who we trade to them
MBL1 - August 18, 2010 via mobile
Money or a crappy player later
BullManUGA - August 18, 2010
Last I saw on MLBTR or Fangraphs (not sure, but I think it was Fangraphs) a “handful of prospects”
bighop - August 18, 2010
lol. as if. This is Frank Wren we’re talking about, here.
Chief Noc-A-Homa - August 18, 2010
They can have prospects and cover his salary, or we take the salary and they get nothing.
BullManUGA - August 18, 2010
….
what kind of prospects
MBL1 - August 18, 2010 via mobile
Freeman and Teheran
BullManUGA - August 18, 2010
and Zack Alvord
VivaLosBravos - August 18, 2010
nice
apoxonbothyourhouses - August 18, 2010
/panics
OH NOES
MBL1 - August 18, 2010 via mobile
Damn it, Bull!!! You’ve got her freaking out, man!
Chief Noc-A-Homa - August 18, 2010
/heart attack
MBL1 - August 18, 2010 via mobile
OH NOES!!!!
/passes ou
Chief Noc-A-Homa - August 18, 2010
ou? you in France?
Jtpdolphins2009 - August 18, 2010
(passed out before I could type the ‘t’)
Chief Noc-A-Homa - August 18, 2010
Okay...
So you really are a she, huh? Had no idea…Not that there’s anything wrong with that.
Jman781 - August 18, 2010
relax we arent giving up a top tier prospect in this deal
at least from what I have read
Jtpdolphins2009 - August 18, 2010
I know, I was being sarcastic and so was BullManUGA. You fell into the Sar Chasm, and there is NO WAY OUT! /gasp /creepy music
MBL1 - August 18, 2010 via mobile
/claws at the walls
HELP!
Jtpdolphins2009 - August 18, 2010
Sar Chasm.....?
lmao. gold.
Chief Noc-A-Homa - August 18, 2010
It didn’t say, just " a handful of prospects"
bighop - August 18, 2010
McOut......I mean......McLouth!!!! Oh, he's uber fantastic.....getting it back!!! yada yada yada
Chief Noc-A-Homa - August 18, 2010
Rob Neyer on moving Glaus to 3rd
“Omar Infante would provide a better glove and roughly as much hitting”
<.200 (Glaus) vs >.300 (Omar) since ASB is roughly as much hitting? ROFL
Slee - August 18, 2010
that garbage sounds vaguely familiar……nah. nvm
Chief Noc-A-Homa - August 18, 2010
To me this is a no brainer though
Glaus on the DL, he knows he is hurting, we all know he is hurting. What would it hurt to have him rest for a few weeks and as was said above, when Rosters expand in September he comes back to the team
Then he is rested, can platoon a bit with Lee and we dont lose a roster player
Win-Win
Jtpdolphins2009 - August 18, 2010
…win
VivaLosBravos - August 18, 2010
We do this and our lead goes to 1.5 games.
BullManUGA - August 18, 2010
lol
Jtpdolphins2009 - August 18, 2010
ner chicken dinner
KJDH2154 - August 18, 2010
wtf
BullManUGA - August 18, 2010
Van Pelt?
VivaLosBravos - August 18, 2010
...the bad guy in Jumunji?....
Chief Noc-A-Homa - August 18, 2010
I think it's
a reply fail for …win by VivaLosBrovos above…
Jman781 - August 18, 2010
Yeah, I suck
KJDH2154 - August 18, 2010
but it's
funnier randomly on it’s own!
Jman781 - August 18, 2010
yum
MBL1 - August 18, 2010 via mobile
That SOB Ben DiGiorno says Lee isn’t in the Cubs lineup tonight.
BullManUGA - August 18, 2010
He was already out of the lineup before this rumor (Back)….so I wouldn’t read too much into that
KJDH2154 - August 18, 2010
They have a day game – on TV right now.
justincredubil02 - August 18, 2010
Isn't
he the guy who makes the pizzas?
UMDBHIK - August 18, 2010
MLBtradeRumors says the deal will b finalized this afternoon
im guessing there will b a new face in our lineup tomorrow
ChitownBravos - August 18, 2010
and legs
and arms….why just a face? that would be creepy!
MBL1 - August 18, 2010 via mobile
all we need is the face
to improve at first
VivaLosBravos - August 18, 2010
I know you arent too keen on this deal
but think of what 2 weeks of rest could do for Glaus and his knees.
Glaus will still be a big part of this team, and I think he even knows that some rest would work wonders
Jtpdolphins2009 - August 18, 2010
Rest will be great for Glaus. Even though he’s been horrible lately, without his may awesomeness we wouldn’t be in firsr.
MBL1 - August 18, 2010 via mobile
this is truth. it got to be pretty routine, for a while there
Chief Noc-A-Homa - August 18, 2010
agreed
and by the time he gets off the DL, the rosters expand. That means we would not have to release anyone to make this move.
Plus Glaus is a professional, he knows we are doing this to make us better and that he will still be a part of the team
I can picture the scene from Major League, before the big game where the manager sits Vaughn down and says he wont be starting the next game, but not to worry and that he was one of the ones that got them there
RIP James Gammon :(
Jtpdolphins2009 - August 18, 2010
maybe on Friday
why he will travel to Atlanta from Chicago if we will play against Cubs after this series.
joshant - August 18, 2010
you would be surprised...
Chief Noc-A-Homa - August 18, 2010
already gonna spend 3+ million on him
why not pay for a really expensive plane ride as well
ChitownBravos - August 18, 2010
Black Swan.....
Trailer for Darren Aronofsky’s film starring Mila Kunis and Natalie Portman(along with a 10 minute scene involving those two going…..you know) was released last night and looks utterly brilliant. REALLY enjoyed The Wrestler and this looks like a great follow-up……http://www.awardsdaily.com/2010/08/black-swan/
Undocorkscrew - August 18, 2010
lolz derrek lee
MacsGlasses - August 18, 2010
Watch the trailer....
….and you’ll forget all about Chipper and Meds being out. Guarantee it.
Undocorkscrew - August 18, 2010
lol. looks ok. lots of skinny girls and dancing, and turning into black swans. actually…… i mite just wait for it on HBO
Chief Noc-A-Homa - August 18, 2010
After seeing The Wrestler last year.....
….Aronofsky has made up for that abortion called The Fountain, and I’m now back to watching anything he creates. This looks brilliant.
Undocorkscrew - August 18, 2010
ROBOCOP
is coming.
-C
cthabeerman - August 18, 2010
the first one is still the shiz, however many years later
Verhouven (sp) knows his shit.
Chief Noc-A-Homa - August 18, 2010
Never saw 2 or 3, although 3 was on Reelz channel last night. It looked just…..awful.
UMDBHIK - August 18, 2010
3 is
awesomely bad
Erihury - August 18, 2010
there’s some kind of stat where alot of Verhouwen’s films have sequels, that suck, and he directed none of them
Chief Noc-A-Homa - August 18, 2010
The Fountain would have been much better
with more of the explorer stuff going on. those parts ROCKED it
Chief Noc-A-Homa - August 18, 2010
People are STILL commenting...
woahhh
SuperHeyward - August 18, 2010
woahhh...
TonyAlmeyda - August 18, 2010
Nice job on the B&T reference. And that’s despite Keanu Reeve’s complete inability to act.
UMDBHIK - August 18, 2010
WHAT LIES
KEANU REEVES IS THE GREATEST ACTOR OF OUR GENERATION
Erihury - August 18, 2010
False.
It’s Bill Shatner.
UMDBHIK - August 18, 2010
hmmm, I approve of this and should like to subscribe to your newsletter
Rhyno18 - August 18, 2010
You're in luck.
I’m running a 3 years for the price of 1 special. And the first 20 callers get the first year for free!
UMDBHIK - August 18, 2010
but wait there’s more…. you get a free fanny pack when you use a credit card
Swo12bv - August 18, 2010
maybe Derrek Lee should book his flight with priceline.com
Jtpdolphins2009 - August 18, 2010
He could name his own price, with the assistance of “The Big Deal”.
UMDBHIK - August 18, 2010
well, greatest living actor, since the great Patrick Swayze died
Rhyno18 - August 18, 2010
Excuse me for a moment while I retrieve my eyes from the floor.
UMDBHIK - August 18, 2010
the Wachowski brothers wanted Johnny Depp for the Matrix......
but at the time, Warner Brothers said they wanted a “Bigger star like Keanu Reeves”
whoa
Chief Noc-A-Homa - August 18, 2010
Don’t like Depp either.
UMDBHIK - August 18, 2010
Who do you like?
Chief Noc-A-Homa - August 18, 2010
The older ones. DeNiro, Pacino, Eastwood, Duvall, Nicholson.
UMDBHIK - August 18, 2010
Do you like any actors that wouldn’t cause me to throw up if they were cast as Scarlett Johanson’s love interest in a movie?
Rhyno18 - August 18, 2010
I'll never look at Caddyshack Murray the same again
That was just wrong.
Yakker - August 18, 2010
Jeff Bridges
Chief Noc-A-Homa - August 18, 2010
Amen.
Big huge doucher.
MichaelProcton - August 18, 2010
I can't see Depp in that role
Mr. Sanchez - August 18, 2010
Rhyno18 - August 18, 2010
Patrick Swayze...
…do you mean this Patrick Swayze? She’s Like The Wind was a classic.
hailtogeorgia - August 18, 2010
Little hand says it’s time to rock and roll.
Yakker - August 18, 2010
overflow thread
joshant - August 18, 2010
If Lee is healthy, that might just be the bat that propels this team to another World Championchip. (the preferred snack of WINNARS since 1978)
I like the deal. We don’t give up a ton, and Glaus gets an opportunity for a break. I agree with Justin. He’s not been nearly as bad as some folks are making out, and I think rest will do him some good.
UMDBHIK - August 18, 2010
He's been pretty awful since he was really good.
MichaelProcton - August 18, 2010
Hey
i just shipped a package to Chicago and now we are getting one from Chicago. Coincidence I think not
/MIND EXPLODES
Erihury - August 18, 2010
the Black Swan cometh
Chief Noc-A-Homa - August 18, 2010
So when are you sending out the FedEx to St. Louie?
Yakker - August 18, 2010
Why would we want anything from St Louis? Eckstein isn’t there anymore.
justincredubil02 - August 18, 2010
Ryan Franklin, baby
Yakker - August 18, 2010
Grittitude!
MichaelProcton - August 18, 2010
100 bucks says....
NFL network mentions Derrek Lee to the Braves before MLB Network or ESPN
Jtpdolphins2009 - August 18, 2010
I’ll take that bet, but only because you threw MLB Network in. They don’t ignore us the way ESPN does.
Rhyno18 - August 18, 2010
It's been on the ESPN crawl all afternoon, if not all day.
(wasn’t watching before 1 or so)
MichaelProcton - August 18, 2010
I'm willing to bet FW is pissed this got leaked
he likes to keep all talks private in case they don’t go through. He has to be upset about this. Cubs leaked the story because the Chicago Tribune reported it first but it’ll be real funny if it doesn’t go through now. Cause this severely pisses off Glaus. Hopefully we cut Glaus cause we have no use for him. At least DL him temporarily and see if his legs can come back. He can’t even make it down the first base line right nwo
Jaymin Patel - August 18, 2010
I bet they move Glaus to third to keep him happy.
/sarcasm
hailtogeorgia - August 18, 2010
Let him be pissed.
the 2 guys recent numbers are like a Tale of Two Cities.
Man up, and embrace the pinch hit.
Chief Noc-A-Homa - August 18, 2010
Why? I don’t get this very rampant line of thought.
justincredubil02 - August 18, 2010
me either. DL him till September to let him rest. Why would the Braves throw away a guy that could be very useful down the stretch and in the playoffs?
Rhyno18 - August 18, 2010
Cause the mob says so! RABBLE!
justincredubil02 - August 18, 2010
New thread up, since this one is getting full.
gondeee - August 18, 2010
I already called you out about it.
Rhyno18 - August 18, 2010
linkage?
Jaymin Patel - August 18, 2010
right here
Rhyno18 - August 18, 2010
A small point of caution
I just looked up Lee’s career numbers at Turner Field and they ain’t that pretty:
66 games, .237 BA, .725 OPS.
That’s a relatively small sample size, but it does deserve mention that he has hit worse at Turner Field than he has at any other MLB stadium where he has played at least 10 games.
DCP916 - August 18, 2010
Then again...
He won’t be facing our pitchers or hitting his liners at Andruw here. That should make things much easier.
MichaelProcton - August 18, 2010
I will note...
That Lee is actually right on the cusp of being a Type A, and one of the players in front of him is Willingham, who is done for the year. A decent home stretch from him could net us a 1st-rounder with rejected arbitration.
MichaelProcton - August 18, 2010
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