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Braves at Twins Series Preview: Beyond Metrodome

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Brooks Conrad is so badass he doesn't even have to high five.

The Braves' first interleague series is shaping up to be quite a doozy, featuring two first-place teams with almost identical records. The Braves (35-26) and Twins (35-25) are similar in style as well as results. Both teams have a good, OBP-driven offense, a deep starting rotation that doesn't strike out many guys, and an excellent bullpen. The pitching matchups in the series seem oddly even as well, as you'll see below. It's actually kind of eerie.

This will be the first trip for the Braves to the Target Field, and thus their first chance to be exposed to the Minnesota weather during a baseball game (not counting the suspicious air currents at the Metrodome). As of right now, it looks like rain might be an issue for Saturday's game, at least. The temperatures should be okay, though. And you know what? It still beats playing on turf.

Pitching Matchups

Friday, 8:00 ET: Tim Hudson (6-1, 2.44 ERA, 4.48 FIP) vs. Francisco Liriano (5-3, 3.10 ERA, 2.28 FIP)

The series gets off to a fantastic start with each team throwing its ace. While Tim Hudson continues to get extreme amounts of ground balls and outperform his FIP by almost half, Liriano has done something even more impressive--outpitch Ubaldo Jimenez. I know, I know. Those of you who still swear by things like won-lost records and ERA will probably give a giant THUMBS DOWN to that statement. But if you dig a bit deeper, it's true:

   Liriano: 9.41 K/9, 2.60 BB/9, 0.25 HR/9, 2.28 FIP, 3.13 xFIP
Jimenez: 8.04 K/9, 2.99 BB/9, 0.21 HR/9, 2.72 FIP, 3.52 xFIP

So how is Liriano's ERA more than 2 runs higher than Jimenez's? Jimenez has given up a .229 batting average on balls in play (BABIP) and stranded an astonishing 92.4% of his baserunners (LOB%). Liriano, on the other hand, has given up a ridiculous .349 BABIP and has a pedestrian 75.4% LOB%. With normal luck, Liriano would be getting much more attention; he certainly deserves it (so far).

The rest of the pitching matchups, and much more, after the jump...

Star-divide

Saturday, 7:00 ET: Derek Lowe (8-5, 5.04 ERA, 4.30 FIP) vs. Nick Blackburn (6-3, 5.21 ERA, 5.10 FIP)

After starting with its ace, each team throws probably its worst starter. And, funnily enough, both these guys have more wins than their ace counterparts.

Blackburn has actually had a fascinating year. He's struck out only 17 guys in 67.1 IP, which is easily the lowest rate in the league (2.27 K/9). To give you some idea of how low Blackburn's K rate is, the Braves have 6 relievers with more strikeouts than Blackburn, and none of them have thrown even 40% as many innings*. Blackburn has never been a high-strikeout guy, but his K rate is down steeply from the past 2 years. He's reportedly been suffering from forearm soreness all year, which might explain the dip. Regardless, I don't think there's any way he can stay in the Twins' rotation if he doesn't start striking out at least a couple more guys per 9 innings.

* You'll never guess who's thrown the most relief innings for the Braves this year. It's not Moylan, or Saito, or Wagner, or O'Flaherty, or Chavez. It's Jonny Venters, who didn't even start the year on the team!

Sunday, 2:00 ET: Kris Medlen (3-1, 3.21 ERA, 3.92 FIP) vs. Kevin Slowey (7-3, 3.45 ERA, 3.83 FIP)

Yet another fairly even matchup. Both these guys have flown under the radar a bit, but they're both good pitchers. Slowey has been very consistent this year. He's only given up more than 3 runs in 2 of his 12 starts. He's also coming off probably his best start of the year, in which he threw 7 innings of 3-hit shutout ball. Of course, that was against the Royals, so you should take it with a grain of salt, but it's still impressive.

Stat of the Series - .356 / .387 / .492

That line is what Melky Cabrera has done since May 20th, a span of 20 games.

Question of the Series: Who are these Twins, anyway?

Since many of you are probably unfamiliar with the Twins (outside of Joe Mauer), here's a review of some of their key regulars and bullpen guys:

  • Mauer has been great (.320 / .396 / .454), though not as ridiculously great as he was last year.
  • First baseman Justin Morneau, though, has been Mauer-esque. He leads the majors in OBP (.474), SLG (.665), and wOBA (.481). He's second in the majors in AVG (.365), walks (44), and ISO (.307). He's been pretty much unstoppable. Fun fact: the slugging Canadian already has as much WAR as he earned in his entire 2006 MVP season (4.3).
  • Orlando Hudson (.305 / .377 / .421) has been a good pickup at second base, but he's on the DL now. They've tried outfielder Michael Cuddyer (.276 / .337 / .452) at second lately, but that's obviously just a stopgap measure, as he's not really a second baseman. Hudson should be back soon (but not in time for this series).
  • The Twins have really needed Morneau's crazy season, because the left side of their infield has been downright McLouthian. The puu-puu platter of J.J. Hardy, Nick Punto, Brendan Harris, Alexi Casilla, Matt Tolbert, Danny Valencia, and Trevor Plouffe have combined for a brutal .213 / .277 / .285 line, mostly at short and third. Actually, that's even worse than McLouth's line, and in more than twice the total at-bats! Hardy and Casilla are also on the DL and will miss the series.
  • The Twins' 4-man outfield is solid but not spectacular. Delmon Young (.279 / .318 / .475) still doesn't walk, but has had a bit of a breakthrough year with the bat nonetheless. Denard Span (.277 / .354 / .365) is a solid player, though he seems to have lost his power this year. Cuddyer, who I mentioned above, is an average regular. And Jason Kubel (.239 / .347 / .417) makes up for his low average with lots of walks and decent power.
  • At DH, the Twins usually rotate Kubel and Jim Thome. Thome's put up a .242 / .377 / .475 line when in the lineup. Not bad for a guy making $1.5 million.
  • In the bullpen, the Twins have not missed a beat in Joe Nathan's absence. New closer Jon Rauch has been very good (2.63 ERA / 3.15 FIP) and has converted 15/17 save opportunities. The top 4 set up guys all have ERAs under 2.50: Matt Guerrier (1.63 ERA / 3.32 FIP), Brian Duensing (1.85 ERA / 3.89 FIP), Jose Mijares (2.31 ERA / 5.00 FIP), and Alex Burnett (2.45 ERA / 2.76 FIP). As you can see, all of those guys have out-pitched their peripherals, but aside from Mijares, all of their peripherals are pretty good, too.

The Braves are fortunate to catch the Twins at a time when 3 of their main infielders are on the DL, but despite that, this will be a very tough series. I expect a lot of close games (watch, they'll probably all be blowouts now that I've said that). If the Braves can somehow win at least 2 games, I will be extremely impressed. Even losing 2/3 should not be seen as a bad result. The Twinkies are an excellent team, and we are playing in their park, where they are 20-10.

With that said, I'm hoping that we put a 1980's-era-Mike-Tyson beatdown on them and sweep them by a score of, I don't know, 42 to 2. I want revenge for 1991, and I want it to be (metaphorically) bloody.

Poll
What do you think will be the outcome of the Braves-Twins series in Minnesota?
Braves win 3-0
37 votes
Braves win 2-1
346 votes
Twins win 2-1
176 votes
Twins win 3-0
26 votes

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Comments

A 1991 rematch…very fitting for Bobby’s last round of interleague.

So, who’s gonna DH? I’m betting Chipper with Infante at third.

Hudson can DH!

S

Can’t believe i overlooked Huddy. How embarrassing.

or medlen for that matter

Chipper 1 day, Glaus 1 day and B-Mac on the third day

I want Heyward to DH instead of B-Mac

Though we have so many banged up guys, I kind of wish we could DH them all.

With McLouth injured, if Heyward DHs…..then who plays the outfield?

Actually...

Hinske can play RF, can’t he?

*nods*

He wouldn’t be great, but we’re only talking about 1 game here. We’ve got plenty of options: Melky, Hinske, Infante, Blanco.

That’s a good idea, too. He can probably use the rest more than the other 3. That is, if he can adjust to DH from being in the game the whole time.

I completely forgot about the whole DH thing. I’d imagine we won’t use one DH for the majority of the time. McCann and Chip will probably split the time at DH for the two series. But this could all change with the decision on what to do with McLouth.

over/under on total "well played, mauer!" comments on all three TC game threads

21.5

Puu Puu Platter

Now I want some Chinese food to watch the Braves with.

I’d love to see Heyward DH tonight or tomorrow. Just because the kid needs anything close to resembling a day off.

But tonight they should let us use Huddy as both pitcher and DH. Because he can.

For DH, I say let McCann do it so we can get Ross in the game also. Probably will be the always injured Chipper though.

Chipper or McCann should be the DH tonight. Who’s hotter at the plate, Infante or Ross?

We need Infante in left, so…

Liriano is better than Jimeniz??

Let me argue this a little bit….

UJ has a LD rate at 12.6%. GB rate at 54%.
FL has a LD rate at 18.8% GB rate at 49%.

so that explains the difference on BABIP. Maybe FL has gotten a little bit lucky but with the LD% UJ will not see in increase in BABIP anytime soon.

 if you’re gonna talk about BABIP, you kind of have to talk about LD rate.

Didn't have space.

But, LD% is also susceptible to luck, so you can’t just assume Ubaldo’s rate will be static. In fact, 12.6% seems way too low. I’d expect that to regress upward to at least 15%, which would in turn (as you say) increase his BABIP.

Even if it doesn’t, though, don’t you think Liriano’s advantage in K/9 and BB/9 indicate that he’s been better?

Perhaps you missed 99 moving like a damn slider...

Ubaldo has been sick, and I wouldn’t put anyone above him right now no matter what a couple advanced stats say.

Nope, didn't miss that.

He’s obviously been awesome. But I don’t think you can dismiss things like K rate and BB rate, which are hardly “advanced” stats. Liriano is striking out a LOT more guys and walking fewer. Do you really think the 120-point difference in their BABIPs is sustainable? This isn’t a knock on Ubaldo at all, but just about every stat beyond ERA and W-L favors Liriano. There’s no shame in being worse than Liriano has been so far. Ubaldo is still a top-4 or -5 guy any way you slice it, and right up there with Halladay and Johnson for best in the NL.

Not dismissing, but focusing solely on them is wrong imo too...

as much as advanced stats like to say otherwise, I see value in the “democratic” way of pitching, as Crash Davis called it. You have fielders, they are major league guys who can catch and throw. Let them do their jobs.

And yes, with the way they pitch I think it can be sustainable. Ubaldo is getting such movement at such a high speed guys just can’t square him up. That means a low BABIP that isn’t just luck. And when Liriano is off, he gets hit hard as we’ve seen the last 2 years, so when guys do get wood on the ball, they can hit it hard. I’m not in the BABIP will always normalize around .300 crowd. I believe in pitching to conduct and inducing weak hits.

pitching to contact, not conduct...

ala Maddux, Hudson, etc.

I’ve had the good fortune to watch every one of Ubaldo’s starts and I don’t think that LD% is going to regress by much. His movement makes it tremendously difficult to put the barrel on the ball.

He might be the player I appreciate most at this point. He’s an extremely affable fellow, very humble and you’ll find him more excited about his hitting than his pitching when he does well at the plate. In an interview w/ Jason Hammel recently, Hammel said Jimenez went out and ran his normal 8 miles the day after no-hitting Atlanta, as if what he’d done was just part of the routine.

He’s not letting the success get to him and if the Rockies score a couple runs early, you get the feeling that the game’s basically over before it begins. He is that team’s buoy right now.

I’m not going to speculate on Liriano v. Jimenez one way or the other, but I think Jimenez is on the verge of becoming one of this era’s best players.

-C

Jimenez’s babip is also helped significantly by the Tulo-Barmes combination. That’s no as much a function of luck as it is skill. Those two might be the best defensive combo in the league right now.

-C

Liriano hasn’t been better. It isn’t all about K rates. Ubaldo is getting such crazy movement people can’t hit him hard. He doesn’t need a pile of k’s. Liriano has had 2 really bad starts were he gave up 10 runs. That’s more than Ubaldo has given up on the year. This is one of the reasons i hate adv. stats as being taken as gospel. It’s about how a guy is performing in person.

Metaphorical blood?

I’d burn Kent Hrbek in effigy outside of Target Field if I lived anywhere near Minnesota. But that’s just me.

Why do the Braves always play the hardest interleague schedule

This shit happens every year. The Twins and Rays back to back? Pretty neat.

also

the twins are at home (20-10) and the rays are on the road (22-8, best record in majors)

Yep. That Rays/Braves series should be crazy. Best road team vs best home team.

Phils don’t have a picnic either, haven’t checked the Amazin’s schedule.

mets already got yankees at home, will get O’s, indians, and yankees on the road, then tigers and twins at home.

Yeah, but

those are the only 2 tough teams we get. Our interleague sked this year really isn’t that bad. Imagine the poor NL teams that get to play the AL East this year. Rays, Yanks, Sox, Jays. That’s way worse than what we have.

Remember when people used to fuss because the Marlins got to play the Rays 6 times a year? My, how times have changed.

To elaborate on the bullpen IP:

Venters: 26.1 IP
Moylan: 25.2 IP
O’Flaherty: 25.1 IP
Saito: 24.2 IP
Wagner: 24.1 IP
Chavez: 23.1 IP
Medlen: 18.2 IP
Kimbrel/Martinez/Reyes: 13.1 IP

I would love Heyward to get tonight off. Him DH’ing won’t help his thumb which is the thing messing up his swing.

As far as DH I wouldn’t be opposed to making Hinske the DH and improving our OF defense.

So with Heyward in the lineup I say

Prado 2B
Heyward RF
Chip 3B
McCann C
Glaus 1B
Hinske DH
Escobar SS
Melky CF
Blanco LF

That also would give us that 2nd lead off man with Blanco down in the 9 spot. He has always had a good OBP with us.

If we sit Heyward tonight we can do something similar

Prado 2B
Infante 3B
Chip DH
Glaus 1B
McCann C
Escobar SS
Hinske LF
Cabrera RF
Blanco CF

I like your idea of getting Blanco into the game. I wasn’t impressed with him in 2008, and I was disappointed by his lack of energy last year in Gwinnett, but I’ve seen a renewed skip in his step this year and I think he’s ready to play the role this team wants him to play. I think Bobby needs to throw him a start or two.

With a lefty on the hill...

no way Hinske AND Blanco play. Maybe tomorrow or Sunday, but certainly not tonight.

tonight's lineup

Prado 4
Heyward 9
Jones 5
Glaus 3
McCann DH
Escobar 6
Infante 7
Ross 2
Cabrera 8

Makes sense with a lefty starting.

Prado – 2B
Heyward – RF
Chipper – 3B
Glaus – 1B
McCann – DH
Escobar – SS
Infante – LF
Melky – CF
Ross – C

Show me a better lineup against a tough lefty than that one. And if Ross got hurt, BMac just slides in to catch and Hinske becomes our DH

by mvhsbball on Jun 11, 2010 1:02 AM MST

Pretty sure I called that one. Just needed to flip Melky and Ross, which I should’ve done.

If the DH is brought in for a position player then the DH spot is forfeited and whatever player is taken out of the game will be replaced by the pitcher batting in his spot.

oh. well…yeah, the AL is stupid.

i don't understand

then can’t we replace a PH in the “DH turned pitcher’s spot?”

That's the main reason I wouldn't DH McCann in this game and play Ross.

I’d much rather DH one of our many guys nursing an injury. Oh well.

Let's see if my call works for tomorrow

with Hinske, Blanco, and Melky in the OF, Infante at 3rd and Chipper DHing . Or Chipper at 3rd, with Infante in LF and Hinske DH. Then Sunday, McCann can DH again with Ross behind the plate, Heyward and Hinske in the OF corners.

In a perfect world

This would be our lineup every night, at least against lefties.

bobby's line up

Prado 4
Heyward 9
Jones 5
Glaus 3
McCann DH
Escobar 6
Infante 7
Ross 2
Cabrera 8

Guess a hurt thumb and a collision aren’t enough to get Heyward a day off

bobby is an idiot

telemakhos is an idiot.

That’s the best lineup we could have against a lefty.

Tell me a better one.

one where our best young (injured) player gets the night off

i’m pretty sure bobby, jason, and the training staff know better than us whether heyward is healthy enough to play. bobby sure isn’t an idiot, and heyward isn’t a 5-year-old that needs to be babied and i’m pretty sure he would speak up if he were too hurt to play or needed a rest. we have an off-day on monday, and there are also a myriad of opportunities for heyward to rest before the all-star break.

there’s a reason he’s hitting .195 with a .572 ops in june. I’d rather have a healthy hewyard for 155 games a year than an injured one for 162. The braves can live without him for a few days. They pretty much already are. When dontrelle willis strikes you out with the bases loaded, you know it’s a bad sign. There’s something to be said for playing through it and gutting it out, but if it’s preventing him from healing and he’s not helping the team, then bobby is the one that needs to tell him to stop trying to be such a hero.

So because Dontrelle Willis struck Heyward out with the bases loaded he needs to sit? So does Albert Pujols need to sit when he strikes out against a righty? He was in a similar slump in May.

like atl192485 said, I’m pretty sure Bobby, Jeff Porter and Heyward know more than we all do. If Heyward needs a day off, he’ll get it.

no, the stats that I mentioned are the reason he needs a day off. The strikeout against dontrelle is just one example of how miraculously un-clutch he has been over the past few weeks. Recently, when a pitcher knows that he needs to get heyward out in a clutch situation, he’s been able to. Since the beginning of june, he’s had a negative WPA in 7 of 10 games

waaaaaah

we’re so spoiled by heyward that we have come to expect our 20-year old rookie who can’t even buy a beer yet that every time he comes to bat in a crucial situation we expect him to hit a home run or get a key hit otherwise HE MUST BE HURT OR TIRED OR NOT HIMSELF!

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

you better temper your expectations quick, because unclutch moments for heyward are coming by the bucketful for the next 15-20 years.

don’t be such a fucking douche to me. I’m trying to make a logical argument that since his thumb injury, he hasn’t been as good of a hitter. I expect him to come down to earth, but when your young star is playing hurt, you give him a break for a day.

i'm the douche?

sure, i’ll give you this argument:

since his thumb injury, he hasn’t been as good of a hitter.
and agree with you. you are absolutely right, in my opinion.

there could be other reasons why heyward hasn’t been as good in june (we’re on the road, we’re playing better teams, other teams know how to pitch him better, etc, etc.) and i’m sure the thumb contributes to that.

what i don’t like about your argument is you point to one AB in one game, and a stretch of 10 games, as reasons why heyward needs to sit, and as proof of how “un-clutch” young heyward is. if you were to apply this logic to most of our lineup in april, then we should’ve sat everybody after everyone had worse games and worse ABs than heyward did. you claim that this argument is logical, but i see it as emotional and rash.

I LIKE WAFFLES

First of all, I called you a double because you wrote out baby noises in all caps to mock me and prove your point.

The only point that I’m trying to make is that heyward should sit for ONE game. You want me to temper my expectations of him, but my expectations are that he’s not invincible. Everyone gets hurt. I also expect that he’s a tough kid and he wants to prove to his teammates that he’ll tough it out and play through the injury. He wants to earn his stripes. If there has been one knock against him coming up through the minors it has been his injury history and so I expect that he’s not perfectly healthy and I would hope that if he’s not healthy, he should get a break. Injuries have destroyed greater men. What’s the problem with sitting a slumping left-handed batting kid against one of the toughest lefties in baseball anyway. He absolutely could be slumping because he’s adjusting to the league and they’re adjusting to him. In any event, he hasn’t had a day off since May 24th, which is about 2.5 weeks of straight baseball. That’ll take a toll on anyone.

this

we also have an off day on Monday.

he'll get one Monday, and I'd assume...

we might give him tomorrow or Sunday off too.

What is wrong with his thumb? Just shoot it up with cortisone or something.

Pour some Tussin on it and let it soak down to the bone!

It feels weird to say, but if Jason is still growing, the cortisone could actually stunt the growth on his thumb and even hand if the cortisone didn’t work properly. They probably don’t wanna risk that.

He probably is still growing; the human body stops growing at 24, usually.

I got a cortisone shot in my thumb last week...

…that stuff is miraculous!

Just about to hit Bullseye Field. I hope to get some shots uploaded tonight after the game. May wait until Monday to post em all as a fanpost or something.
 
Go Braves! I like the lineup tonight.

I don't like this post jacob

Seems like lazy journalism to me.

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