Talking Chop

FUCK YOU AND YOUR FAMILY

GoBravesNY - May 31, 2010 reply

boondocks

???

Wait, isn’t that an Untouchables line?

J-Freak - May 31, 2010 reply

Last month.....

Utley had my vote for 2B, now I am leaning toward Prado. Heyward still comes up 4th in my OF vote behind Ethier, Braun, and Werth. McCann is way behind at C. I would have to put Barajas, Olivo, and Rodriguez ahead of him. Of course, I still won’t cast my one and only vote until the end of June.

homerlanding - May 31, 2010 reply

kelly johnson has been the best 2B so far this year.

Power Yes

But the batting average is killing him

homerlanding - May 31, 2010 reply

.950 OPS vs. .830 OPS disagrees

Believe me, I love Prado, but I think it’s pretty apparent KJ has been better so far.

.325 AVG vs. .270 AVG and 69 H vs 47 H also disagrees with you, not to mention that Prado is ahead of Johnson in RBIs, has less strikeouts

70 Hits

yeah, my bad didn't count todays game

batting average and hits are so different…

Then add fielding (Prado 4.6 UZR/150 vs. KJ’s -9.7) and the fact that Prado’s hitting and OBA are regularly setting the table for the guys behind him. In fact, this recent hot streak is directly tied to the change in batting order that put him at leadoff.

It’s true that KJ’s hot start has fueled whatever offense the DBacks possess, but Prado’s hitting makes the Braves a first-place club. I can make a case for either (and in my dreams, KJ is still on the club as our Leftfielder), but my arg is that Prado sets up the rest of the team.

Can’t really draw fielding conclusions from 1/4 season of data (eq. of 1/12 of a season of hitting). Both are below average defensively on average.

Both have been GREAT this year, but I’m trying hard to be objective here. KJ is ahead for me.

http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=2b&stats=bat&lg=nl&qual=y&type=6&season=2010&month=0

NL 2B War Leaderboard

TheBravestWay To Block A Decent Prospect - May 31, 2010 reply

Also doesn't help when these numbers appear to be works of fiction.

Bronn - May 31, 2010 reply

How about you stop being a douche and support the guy that plays for your team.

Someone's got a bug up their butt

Just because a player on your team is good, or even really good, doesn’t mean he necessarily deserves to start on an all-star team. I love Prado, but just in case the Braves made the World Series, I’m going to vote on the absolute best players and hope they win the ASG. Loyalty is putting my team’s best interests first.

Oh, look at this righteous fellow

This is a rehash of a previous thread where I said

I’m not delusional and think this kind of grassroots support is going to catapult Matt Diaz into the AS game as a starter.

What it will do is get a head start and give guys like Martin Prado a chance, if he continues his baseball abusing ways. He doesn’t have the cred and name recognition of guys like Utley, but if he is having a better first half, there is still no way he’d make it in over Utley. UNLESS, Braves fans vote bomb the shit out of this one and other knowledgable fans recognize and award a guy for having the best first half. This is why it must be done.

Don’t worry, no undeserving Braves player will get voted in. I’ll bet my life on it.

So, stop the nonsense, and maybe, just maybe, realize that the emotional lift that some of our players would receive for the all star nod may actually have a positive effect on their confidence and performance in a Braves uniform from here on out.

Or you can vote in Rod Barajas over McCann, because you’ll feel all good on the inside about it. Give me a break.

I’m not the one calling anyone a “douche” because they honestly want to vote for the best players.

If a supposed Braves fan really wanted to argue about choosing Kelly Johnson over Martin Prado, because they think Kelly will do better in the All-Star game, then they are a doucher. That’s the context of my comment, not that they want to vote for the best players….it’s that when there is such a close race, shouldn’t the edge go to your hometown club?

I guess I’m just not as righteous as you and he.

Cracker! - June 2, 2010 reply

I still think Heyward is the 2nd best OF

Andre Eithier is better than him, but the other two I don’t think so:
10 HR vs. 9 HR and 8HR, 38 RBIs vs. 33RBIs and 32 RBIs, 1.017 OPS vs. .947 and 9.14, 29 BB vs. 20 BB and 19 BB, Jason Heyward leads them in all of those categories, also he is better in AVG. than Werth, but not Braun,
so yeah, I think Heyward is the 2nd best OF in the NL

Tough to vote in Ethier

With all the time he has missed. He’s part of the reason I’m still holding off on voting. I want to see if he’s still deserving of a spot after the injury, or if the injury continues to hamper him now that he’s back. I’ll give it two more weeks before I submit my ballot.

Bronn - May 31, 2010 reply

Probably shouldn’t use an opportunity stat like RBI to make that argument. I’d bet good money that if the Phuckers had not collectively swooned over the past week Werth could easily be even or possibly ahead of J-Hey in that department. RBI numbers are essentially worthless for everything except wooing MVP voters. That OPS number keys the whole thing for him, though. He’s a better all-around hitter than any other challenger in the NL right now. Even better than Ethier.

J-Freak - May 31, 2010 reply

I have access to at least 10 different email addresses...

So…. I’ll pledge to throw in at least 100 votes… and if I really get bored, I could be good for the entire 250. For those who wanna try this themselves, I would suggest clearing the cookies in between each “session”, and changning other sublties like the secondary favorite team and your birthdate.

I found six cookies…. four “mlb.com” and 2 “outfield.mlb.com”. 75 votes are enough for tonight!

I HATE EXAMS!!!!

EVERYBODY get EVERYBODY to VOTE.........TWICE. then we may have a chance

VOTE

USE THIS SHOT OF HANSON, GONDEE!!!! THE PIC IN THE BLACK HAT SUCKS!!! lol

you know we can’t vote for Hanson right?

10-4 - June 1, 2010 reply

You don’t even have to use legit emails to vote….also, if you vote Heyward in the outfield for example, and Heyward in the write-in, is he receiving 2 votes?

kauf67 - May 31, 2010 reply

prado over 500,000 votes out of first Jimmy Rollins leads for shortstops. Huge popularity contest

In a perfect world, Bobby, Prado, Heyward, and McCann would all go.

In a perfect world.....

Wagner and Hudson would go too.

Actually it'd be Moylan and Hudson.

Apart from that 3 run debacle last night, Moylan has been lights out. Although part of me says that no one should wish that their pitchers DON’T get in and just get the extra rest.

errr ignore the don't

yay proofreading.

NL ALLSTARS

1B Pujols
2B KJ
SS Hanley
3B Zimmerman
C BMAC
OF Heyward
OF Werth
OF Ethier

1B Glaus
2B prado
3B Chipper
SS Esco
C B Mac
OF McClouth
OF Hinskie
OF Heyward

lmao……McLouth…….the rest would work

It would then be Braves vs. Red Sox/Yankees. We already played them last year.

Scott Coleman - May 31, 2010 via mobile reply

WHERES TEH MELKMAN

Hes going to come in secand in the voting.Close race between him and Hinskie.

FTFY

1B Heyward
2B Heyward
3B Heyward
SS Heyward
C Heyward
OF Heyward
OF Heyward
OF Heyward
OF Heyward
SP Heyward
CL- Heyward, but given a day off due to Heyward’s perfecto

GoBravesNY - May 31, 2010 reply

Perfect roster!

MBL1 - June 1, 2010 reply

this

dc_allday - June 1, 2010 reply

KJ does not deserve to start over Prado.

Also, since no one else takes this seriously, I’m being sure to vote only for junk outfielders for the other 2 spots outside of Heyward so I don’t bump the vote count for his competitors.

For example, my last vote was Heyward – Morgan – Francoeur (lol)

ATLandUNC - May 31, 2010 reply

You don’t need to vote for a full ballot.

lol nice sig. i suppose frenchy > vlad guerrero

I’d be a little leary of doing even a “throw-in” vote for anybody on a New York team… since ML Baseball has turned the entire process into a joke, they are partisan enough (and have enough volume) to vote in anybody they want.

Heck, the Yankee fans alone are a big enough group to vote Daniel Murphy as starting NL first baseman, if they so chose to make it happen!

lol. exxxxxxxxxcellent

I totally agree with you in the 2B part

Latest outfield vote

1. J. Heyward
2. N. Schierholtz
3. L. Milledge

ATLandUNC - May 31, 2010 reply

don't you mean...

1. J. Heyward
2. N. Schierholtz
3. R. Weeks

rather

1. Heyward
2. Mclouth
3. Diaz

Oxymorman - June 1, 2010 reply

FUCK GEOMETRY AND ENGLISH EXAMS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Go BRAVES

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=5236340

Ha!! Leave it to the Fish to figure a way to turn a loss into a buck!

"Roy Halladay makes a splash in what was formerly known as Land Shark Stadium!!!!?!?!!"

In this economy...

I’m really glad the Marlins are spending hundreds of millions of dollars to build a stadium that won’t draw more than 15,000 a night after the first few months. Just get baseball out of Florida. They love their college football and nothing else.

correction

the rednecks in the North Florida panhandle love their college football

The south Florida crowd doesn’t even care about that – see, eg, Miami Hurricanes winning five nat’l titles and playing in front of a 2/3 empty Orange Bowl every week.

DCP916 - June 1, 2010 reply

I want the best team for the nl possible. Remember, This could determine our Home field for hte World series

So.. don’t vote for KJ.

So.. don’t vote for KJ.I like: This team-
Either, Heyward, Braun, and werth in of. Pujols, B Mac, Utley, Troy Tulo… Ryan Zimmerman, in the IF….

Braves Biceps - May 31, 2010 reply

KJ

is going to be there anyways, he just won’t be voted in to start. He will get the selection after Prado and before Uggla. He will probably play in the game as a DH.

You realize

the reserves won’t get named for another month and a half, right? By then, KJ will have gone through at least one KJ-esque 2-32 stretch without adding any more homers to his total…

jtw126 - June 1, 2010 reply

He already has

He hit .245 in May with 28 Ks to only 7 RBI

ATLandUNC - June 1, 2010 reply

Hitting .245 isn't bad enough.

That’s just the tip of the “WHAT HAPPENED TO GOOD KJ” iceberg.

You realize

he’s already had that stretch and is starting to hit again. His BA went down below .260 and has returned to.270 in the past week.

Just the tip of the iceberg. He has much worse streaks in him.

FitzFan - June 1, 2010 reply

And speaking of NL All Star pitchers...

Ubaldo is gonna make the AL look silly. The guy is so filthy its not even funny. And i’m not even mad that he no-hit us.

we got no-no by the best pitcher

It wasn't a no-NO...

We did have plenty of walks, get it straight….

a no-no is a no hitter, I had it straight

Technically, a no-no is no hits AND no walks, but whatever. It means the same thing and it’s not worth arguing about.

I’ve never heard of “no-no” only referring to a perfect game. Maybe that was the original meaning, but announcers and analysts definitely use “no-no” to refer to “everyday” no-hitters.

J-Turn14 - June 1, 2010 reply

That's wrong..

No-No = No Hitter
Perfect Game = No hits and no walks

Mighty Healthy - June 1, 2010 reply

Yep

No-No = No hits no runs.

Perfect game = Nothing in the box score. Not even an error.

That's just wrong

No-no is just slang for a no-hitter. I don’t know where you guys are getting this from. Ubaldo threw a no-no.

No-no means “No hits and No” something else, and it has to be runs. At least that’s what I’ve always known. And, I mean, in the rare event that the pitcher walks the bases loaded and then an error scores a run, or say he walks 4 in a row to score a run, that wouldn’t be a “no-no” in my book, but a no hitter none-the-less…my head hurts.

and furthermore

given those 2 scenarios, has anyone ever pitched a no-hitter and lost 1-0? that would suck!

Yes.

walks hurt too.

Mr. Sanchez - June 1, 2010 reply

Actually

errors dont count against a perfect game.

Mostly wrong.

Errors don’t count only in an instance where the player doesnt reach base….and the only instance I can think of where that would happen is where a foul ball is dropped.

Well

I didnt watch the Halladay perfect but the Phillies def had an error posted on the box score that ESPN showed.

no

the marlins had the error. halladay’s perfect game did not include any errors by philly fielders. kreese and dogdays are correct.

I always skip the AL Ballot...

1B: King Albert
2B: Marteeen
SS: Sir Slacks-a-Lot
3B: Zimmerman
C: Heap
LF: Braun
CF: McCutchen
RF: J-Hey

McCutchen? I dont think he is going to be starting

I thought he played 2nd base anyway?

bpk228480 - May 31, 2010 reply

I know, he just rockets his ass off to catch all the balls in the outfield, also his hair helps him fly

Why won't McCutchen start?

Other than Matt Kemp I cannot think of another NL CF who has put up comparable numbers.

Yes, I could vote for Ethier, or Werth, or Manny, or whoever, but I wanted to vote for a legimate RF, CF, and LF – not three corner outfielders.

ohh ok, didn't know about that

Why won't he start?

Because he won’t finish in the top-3 in OF voting. It’s a stupid rule, but the top-3 always get the start.

Oh, I know what's stacked against him...

but he DESERVES to start, and if enough fans realize that, hopefully he’ll get enough votes.

He won't start

but I voted for him.

He's a great player

But UZR doesn’t think he’s exceptionally talented on defense with the data it has to date. Counting last year and this year, it’s still only about a full season’s worth of data (which isn’t quite enough) but it has him slightly below average. So instead of voting for him, I’ll give my votes to Jayson Werth who’s clearly a better hitter, and good enough to play CF. Then I’ll surround him with Heyward and probably Willingham.

No need

to vote him in, he is a lock to make the team.I would put his chances of being an all-star higher than any other player in the majors.

Another reason that UZR is BS perhaps.

FitzFan - June 1, 2010 reply

Not quite.

Smoltz's Beard - June 1, 2010 reply

MLB needs to add more stats to its “compare stats” button when voting for allstars….RBI, AVG., HRs, SB….its not like we are voting for MVP’s or something

bpk228480 - May 31, 2010 reply

Agreed

That is the lamest stat package in history. At least do OBP/SLG.

Lowe is the only

one not raising his hand. F U Lowe

Erihury - May 31, 2010 reply

All those wins make your arms tired.

DogDaysofSummer - May 31, 2010 reply

The poor DBacks just lost on a balk

holy cow. that would suck. and i don’t even know what i’d do if the Braves did that.

2 Errors on KJ

not really surprised by that

Erihury - June 1, 2010 reply

The Braves did lose like that.

Back in 2000 (?) the Braves lost a game to the Marlins on a walk off balk when John Rocker dropped the ball with his foot on the pitching rubber.

J-Turn14 - June 1, 2010 reply

voting

voted

vote!

dank7 - June 1, 2010 reply

jeyward

dank7 - June 1, 2010 reply

I’ve voted closed to 100 times by now. I’ve collected quite a few email addresses over the years, it’s just a matter of becoming un-lazy and keep voting.

Sarahbeth - June 1, 2010 reply

Good work

ATLandUNC - June 1, 2010 reply

You actually do not need a legit email address to vote.

Pin this

post to the side tabs on Talking Chop, and make it overly apparent. Everyone needs to see this regularly for it to make a difference. 100 people voting 25 times everyday for 30 days is 75000 votes. That’s a lot. We can easily make a difference.

GT Braves - June 1, 2010 reply

Did my part

Just voted for every Brave 25 times, screw it! Wrote hinske in as the 3rd OF!!!

mastermike - June 1, 2010 reply

dude

me too!

me too

I’ve voted 125 times. 3x my email addresses, 1x my cousin’s, and 1x my oldest brother’s. If you know relatives emails that are too lazy to do it themselves or don’t care, USE THEIRS!

In Hinske We Trust

What do you guys think about Eric as a write-in outfielder? I always try to think of someone to put in the write-in spot, and despite his limited use, relative to other outfielders, he’s been extremely productive in his ABs. I know he won’t make it, but I hate to waste his 1.014 OPS, cause that won’t last.

award6 - June 1, 2010 reply

Eirc Hinske

He is earning a spot up there with Charles Thomas in my favorite Braves list. Chucky T only appeared in 83 games for us, but I don’t think I’ve ever enjoyed watching any player more than him. He was just the role player that could and in such a short time etched a permanent spot on my Braves memory. Hinske is somewhat like that, but he may never be Chucky T.

ATLandUNC - June 1, 2010 reply

This thread got me motivated

I think it would be cool if everyone posted how much they voted so we can see for real how much we are effecting the vote… and therefore get excited to keep voting.

So I’ll start: So far I’m at 30.

bbxxj - June 1, 2010 reply

I'm at

at least 80. 50 online so far, plus a bunch of times at the ballpark.

lol

I got banned from the last thread, but this is my repentant thread. Rock the vote!

soup du jour - June 1, 2010 reply

I voted for as many Braves as possible

southman - June 1, 2010 reply

I voted 50 times yesterday for the Braves regulars that I feel should make it:

Prado
Heyward
Chipper (not really, but what the Hell)
Glaus
McCann

I’d love to see Heyward make it as a starter as a rookie…and McCann needs to be a starter for a change. I think Prado, Heyward and McCann will make it as reserves anyway, but we need a starter. The Phillies currently have WAY too many starters for the NL….that’s sad.

Dave_D - June 1, 2010 reply

Okay, okay! I’m voting!

TheLetter2 - June 1, 2010 reply

Did my part. :-)

And it’s nice the ballot remembers your last choices so you don’t have to enter them all again.
Saves time and effort.
Didn’t take too long at all.
So, no excuses for not VOTING!

NCChopper - June 1, 2010 reply

…I’ve forgotten how many times I voted…I guess that’s not a bad thing.

Fonce - June 1, 2010 reply

Did my part!

I have voted 200 times for Heyward Prado Mccann and Co.!! I used my two emails, my grilfriend’s and some from my family!. We really need to get al least Prado and Heyward in there!!

Is there a chance Heyward gets invited to the Home Run Derby?? With those huge shots he’s been launching I think he could have a shot! Heck I think he wins it if he goes!

roc2606 - June 1, 2010 reply

i don't like the idea of heyward participating in the HR derby

especially if heyward plays in the AS game. also, there have been a few players in the past few years that have said participating in the HR derby screws up your swing. while the jury’s still out on that, i’d rather have heyward hit two jacks in the AS game, helping the NL thump the AL, then get some rest over the break

Uff didnt know that!

No way I want him going if its going to mess his swing in any way!.

roc2606 - June 1, 2010 reply

oh come on

Like the mighty Heyward would let anything so puny as a little HR Derby mess up his swing. The only reason he should sit out is to give the other players a chance to win.

I would love if Heyward was in the HR Derby. I'd watch for that alone!

I own my own domain so I can make up as many email addresses as I like. so far I’ve voted about 500 times :)

nuftjedi - June 1, 2010 reply

you do not even need a legit email for it to let you vote

Interesting and good to know...

this ought to add to some bored people’s vote totals and raise them up from 25/50/100/etc. And of course, we all know better than to give MLB our marketing information. Now who wants to watch me sock a few dingers?!

Mr. Sanchez - June 1, 2010 reply

lolz

I saw that episode recently. Even funnier in retrospect.

DINGERS! DINGERS!

BullManUGA - June 1, 2010 reply

I thought that too… however, a “thank you” email goes out. so I am thinking if it gets returned then they might catch on.

nuftjedi - June 1, 2010 reply

this is awesome. i wish i had my own domain.

Vote Heyward AND

Make sure not to vote for any other OF that could overtake him. Otherwise, your vote for Heyward is just being canceled out. Vote Heyward/McCutheon/write in Hinske.

Come on people DO IT.

Support your team. Just keep making up phony email addresses and vote like mad. What else are you going to do today….work?

fake email addresses + voting more than 25 times

be careful. the terms and conditions say they can disqualify votes for bad emails, but i’m no expert on if they can determine if emails are good/bad and mlb could just be bluffing.

i’ve also found you can vote using the same email 25 times every day. hopefully they won’t DQ my votes

Or, you can just enter in an email address of a friend/relative/any existing email address you may know. If you are worried about that. I would seriously doubt they are retroactively dq’ing votes.

they send a thank you email after you vote. if it gets returned then (maybe) they discount those votes

nuftjedi - June 1, 2010 reply

I Voted...

A few times. I just went with an all Braves NL. I was just really pissed when ESPN showed the leading vote getters and it was all P’s and STL’s. Dang them.

XBEARDX - June 1, 2010 reply

But St. Louis has the best fanbase in baseball!

They would never tarnish the game by voting for only their players!

Hahahaha Skip Schumaker is in 5th place in 2nd baseman voting.

Poor Brandon Phillips.

vote vote vote

JKowalek - June 1, 2010 reply

i hope

charlie manuel chooses bobby cox to co-manage with him. in fact, not choosing bobby would be a pretty dick move

+3779624735613743664455247998226

Bobby should manage. I hope Charlie gets ejected in like the 2nd so Bobby could take his place.

MBL1 - June 1, 2010 via mobile reply

can you imagine bobby cox getting ejected from the all-star game?

personally, i think it would be awesome as a last hurrah in the last all-star game he’s participating in.

I think he should do it on purpose

Mr. Sanchez - June 1, 2010 reply

Bump this.

I think that would be awesome

MBL1 - June 1, 2010 reply

Can you imagine Bobby mismanaging the bullpen and pissing off every NL manager?

I’m just kidding. I’d love to see them give Bobby the honor of being there one last time.

J-Freak - June 1, 2010 reply

“Bring in Moylan. He’s not here? Saito it is”

bpk228480 - June 1, 2010 reply

“Oh your Matt Capps? How about you go out there and throw 40 pitches. That’s the Braves way.”

LOL

Smoltz's Beard - June 1, 2010 reply

I wrote in for Hinske.

Can you just vote for one person if you wanted too? I haven’t voted in years, but I really just want to vote for Heyward and Prado and just those two over and over and over.

Sparhawk - June 1, 2010 reply

yep, you only have to vote for who you want

Done Deal

Took 1686 seconds

Charmin519 - June 1, 2010 reply

Did my part

proud stuffer of the ballot box.

adc62 - June 1, 2010 reply

Enough time has passed, so i’ve done my part. Even mixed in a few votes for Glausosaur. Second base was roughly 75% Prado, 25% Kelly. Every other position was for Phillies.

10-4 - June 1, 2010 reply

Who has two thumbs and turned 21 today?

Yay! happy birfday!

MBL1 - June 1, 2010 via mobile reply

I’d buy you a drink, but I’ve got 16 days to go myself…

J-Freak - June 1, 2010 reply

I’m up to 250 so far. Let’s keep it going!

jdmarine - June 1, 2010 via mobile reply

Does this trick work?

I just voted all 25 times with three different email addresses for Glaus, Prado, Mac, Heyward. I also wrote in Jason Heyward as an outfielder… If its a computer system it might count him twice right?!!

CalBravesFan - June 1, 2010 reply

Did anyone think

that just because it doesnt tell you, doesnt mean its not discarding all these fake email votes?