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Series Preview: Braves at Marlins

I really hate facing the Marlins, especially in Florida. I can't point to any reason why, I just get the feeling that the Braves always play flat when they visit Miami, and the Marlins always play us hard. There's just a general feeling of dread. They're pesky little ballplayers.

The Braves were 8-and-10 against them last year, with half of those losses coming from the bullpen with the help of 4 blown saves. They're more like gnats than Marlins, they just never give up. Of course, this year, that's Atlanta's M.O.

The big news around the Fish lately has been the Hanley Ramirez - Fredi Gonzalez flap. Ramirez was going after a bloop single and kicked it into the outfield, which wasn't really the problem. What Fredi took exception to was that instead of sprinting after the ball, he chased the ball down with a slow jog, all the while D-Backs baserunners were circling the bases. It was like rec league kickball.

When the inning ended, Fredi had a conversation with Hanley and took him out of the game. And this is a player who won the NL Batting title last year, and came in second in the MVP voting -- pretty much solely based on his statistical performance and not the word of Dan Uggla. Ramirez didn't take too kindly to being pulled from the game and mouthed off about it in the press... and then had to tuck his tail between his legs and apologize a couple of days later.

The Marlins have done a good Braves impression this year -- winning one game by a ton of runs, then getting shut out the next day. Florida is second only to Arizona in strikeouts in the NL this year. Those strikeouts are spread throughout the order with 6 lineup regulars possessing 30 or more strikeouts -- they are good at swinging and missing (the Braves have half the number of players with 30 or more strikeouts).

Star-divide

After the jump is a look at the pitching matchups for the series:

Game 1:  Kenshin Kawakami vs. Anibal Sanchez, Tuesday 7:10pm
Kenshin Kawakami has not had good luck against the Marlins. He had one good outing, which was his last start of 2009, but every other time he's pitched against them, he's stunk up the joint. While he gets lots of strikeouts, he also allows lots of hits, especially hits of the extra base variety. While his last start against them is promising, it's really anyone's guess which KK will show up in Miami.

It's hard to believe that the Marlins got Sanchez from the Red Sox in the same deal that sent them Hanley Ramirez. While Ramirez has had all kinds of success on the field, Sanchez has never been able to replicate the success of his rookie year, including throwing a no-hitter in 2006. This has mainly been due to a string of injuries. Again, any pitcher who can throw no-hit stuff up there scares me right now. The Braves are still very susceptible to team-wide slumping. Like KK, Sanchez has had a mixed bag of success against Atlanta.


W-L G GS CG SHO SV BS IP H R ER HR BB K ERA WHIP
2010 - Kenshin Kawakami 0-6 8 8 0 0 0 0 43.1 48 27 24 6 13 28 4.98 1.41


W-L G GS CG SHO SV BS IP H R ER HR BB K ERA WHIP
2010 - Anibal Sanchez 3-2 8 8 0 0 0 0 49.1 50 21 18 1 16 36 3.28 1.34

 

Game 2:  Tommy Hanson vs. Nate Robertson, Wednesday 7:10pm
We are know how Tommy has struggled lately. Beyond the dizziness that plagued him last time out, two of his previous three outings were also not pretty, as he gave up 4 and 5 runs in those two starts. Every pitcher goes through bad spells, so we'll see if Hanson can begin to emerge from his. He is capable of tossing a shutout at any time.

Nate Robertson was re-acquired by the Marlins at the end of spring training this year after the Fish had sent him to Detroit in 2003. The move to the NL has shaved about a run off of his ERA from the previous two years. The only reason the Braves should be concerned about him is that he's a left-handed pitcher. Other than that he's a soft tossing pitch-to-contact thrower.


W-L G GS CG SHO SV BS IP H R ER HR BB K ERA WHIP
2010 - Tommy Hanson 3-3 9 9 1 0 0 0 51.2 51 25 24 5 15 58 4.18 1.28


W-L G GS CG SHO SV BS IP H R ER HR BB K ERA WHIP
2010 - Nate Robertson 4-4 9 9 0 0 0 0 47.1 51 29 24 5 23 25 4.56 1.56


Game 3:  Tim Hudson vs. Ricky Nolasco, Thursday 7:10pm
The glorious run of Tim Hudson looks to continue in Florida. Hudson has by far been the Braves best pitcher this year, and he's dominated the Marlins in his career. He is 8-and-2 in 15 starts with a 2.92 ERA against Florida, and he probably should have another few wins as I remember some dubious blown saves by former Braves relievers (that all seemed to happen after Hudson has pitched brilliantly).

Hudson will have his hands full against Ricky Nolasco, who has had his way with Atlanta lately. Nolasco is the definition of a no-frills starter who can occasionally throw an absolute gem of a game.


W-L G GS CG SHO SV BS IP H R ER HR BB K ERA WHIP
2010 - Tim Hudson 5-1 9 9 0 0 0 0 60.1 43 14 14 4 23 26 2.09 1.09


W-L G GS CG SHO SV BS IP H R ER HR BB K ERA WHIP
2010 - Ricky Nolasco 4-3 9 9 1 0 0 0 58.0 58 30 29 9 11 41 4.50 1.19

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1st TC Post Ever, better make it a good one!

BEAT THEIR FUCKING BRAINS IN BRAVES!

Welcome New TC'er

I second the beating in of the brains. We don’t want to be dealing with Zombie Marlins later in the season. If that happened, we’d never be able to keep them down!

Zombieland Rule No. 2: The Double Tap

-C

well played…..

Based on my study of Zombies (i.e. watching Shawn of the Dead). If they do become zombies they will become so slow even McCann can throw them out.

p.s. Is “McCann can” repetitive? Should it just be McCann’ ?

Are you a McCann or a McCann’t?

Is this the first time we’ve played them this season?

Yes. We face them 5 more times in three game sets this year.

This series will come down to our bats

KK is a bit of a tossup as to how effective he’ll be, mmmBop has been “effectively wild” for the last few starts (ok, “ineffective and serving it up on a tee” the last start :-), and Hudson will be solid. That’s cause for worry in game 1, feast or famine in game 2, and confidence in game 3.

On their side, Sanchez seems to be pitching fine but not dominating; he can be hit this year. Robertson and Nolasco don’t appear to be much to be afraid of, so as long as our bats continue to produce, I think we’ll be okay.

Anyone got our lineup yet?

Por favor ganar, Bravos!

I trust the Braves offense enough to believe they can win at least two games.
I’ve been wondering this for a while: What is the most walk-off hits for a rookie (in his first year)? J-Hey currently has two.

I have faith that our team will show up a have a great series against the Fish. KK seems to turn things around (granted his latest injuries might have an impact on his start). Hanson should be ok. Hudson has been good but not great lately (lots of walks). I think we can pull it out. Go Braves!

“I think we can pull it out.”

That’s what she said!

No, no, but really, I think the Braves can win this series.

Los Bravos sounds much better then the Spanish for Marlins: “Las Agujas”

“Agujas” sounds like a Spanish medicine.

Epic Fail on my part

Aguja has something to do with Spanish wine and pinprick sensations.
Marlin in spanish is “Marlin”.
I find myself wishing I had heeded an old proverb that says “Keep your mouth shut, and you won’t put your foot in it.”

Los Bravos

Sounds better than Los Marlins…Your point is still valid.

Oh...

The Marlins are Pricks, too (e.g. Hanley)…So you weren’t too far off base.

My 4th grade teacher, Ms. Henderson, had a phrase she would make us write 50 times if we were talking in class.
“A fish would not get caught if it had kept its mouth shut.”

22 years later I still remember that phrase.
I was a mouthy kid.

Los Bravos also sounds better

than Los Suns…Like they did in Phoenix in second round of the NBA play-offs. I believed in the meaning behind the Los Suns…but it just doesn’t sound right.

Apparently, it should have been

“Los Soles” or just “Soles”, which sounds cooler, anyway. I agree about liking the basic point they were making.

Do we have “Los Bravos” jerseys for a Hispanic heritage night or something? cause when the nba does it they dont use the spanish word for the team name, they just add a prefix ie; “El Heat” because it’s a proper noun. I would think we would be known as Los Braves in spanish speaking countries

I've been using "Los Bravos"

…or, at the very least, “Bravos” since Brett Butler used to use it before we gave him away for a guy with a dead arm.

I demand a sweep. I also demand 3 perfect games. Furthermore, I demand they be accomplished with a combined total of 81 pitches.

And Heyward must have a grand slam in each.

Two grand slams in each inning of each game.

The series should be completed in a total of 5 hours 30 minutes. Any more would be shameful.

KK has pitched basically as well as Sanchez this year, despite the difference in their ERAs. The only real difference is in HR allowed, but Sanchez will not keep up his 1 HR / 50 inning pace, which is just ridiculously low. That’d only be 4 HR in a 200-inning season! Tonight’s matchup is basically even.

Assuming Tommy is healthy, he’s infinitely better than Nate Robertson. There’s no reason why we should lose that game.

Hudson vs. Nolasco should be interesting, because Hudson’s ERA is much lower than his peripherals would imply and Nolasco’s ERA is much higher than his ERA would imply. Both are very good pitchers, though, without a doubt. Expect a pitcher’s duel on Thursday.

KK is due and Hanson should be feeling lots better by tomorrow. Nolasco is good, but Hudson is pitching much better now. I do agree with gondee about that gnawing feeling whenever we play the fish.

I find it hard to believe that more people haven't picked up on the fact

that Tommy was hungover last week

pretty obvious from his comments

"I was light-headed and really dizzy from the time I was warming up," Hanson said afterward. "But I don’t want to sit here and make excuses. I’ve pitched sick before and did fine."

Are those hangover symptoms?

yes, but I doubt (gulp, hope?) he was out drinking the night before a start. Lowe would be another story.

Of course I’ll take a hangover over Nick “Vertigo” Esasky Part Deux

Maybe he just wasn’t hungover enough.

It worked for David Wells; he threw a perfect game hungover.

I just learned that Doc Ellis threw a no hitter while tripping on LSD. Thought it was an off day, boy was he wrong.

Well yeah

whenever we are good and they suck, they kick our asses. Now that we’re on par, they can still kick our asses.

I really hate facing the Marlins, especially in Florida. I can’t point to any reason why, I just get the feeling that the Braves always play flat when they visit Miami, and the Marlins always play us hard. There’s just a general feeling of dread. They’re pesky little ballplayers.

I totally agree with this. No matter how the Marlins seem to be playing, they seem to up it a notch when they are playing the Braves. Maybe Fredi has too much insider knowledge of Bobby’s game.

Being beat by the Marlins isn’t the worst of it. It’s the fact that a team from Miami can play at our level….that’s what truly hurts.

I'll be there..

at Joe Robbie, Pro Player, Dolphins, Landshark, Sun life stadium. I usually catch about 5-10 Marlins games a year (yes, I’m the one.) I’m really looking forward to seeing J-Hey tonight. Anibal Sanchez is really streaky. This guy could throw a no-hitter (I saw that in person when there were maybe 4500 butts in seats a few years ago) or get shelled.

I’ll see if I can post a few pics later…

I hope J-Hey plays so you can see him. And my fantasy team won’t be in disarray. I swear they’re lost without him.

DOB tweets that he is in the lineup tonight.

Land Shart Stadium

was my favoirte

Lets have a real starting lineup today.

Looks Real!

1.Prado, M, 2B
2.Heyward, J, RF
3.Jones, C, 3B
4.McCann, B, C
5.Glaus, T, 1B
6.Hinske, E, LF
7.Escobar, Y, SS
8.McLouth, N, CF
9.Kawakami, K, P

7 C’s in the lineup = A Win
 
Kind of like my report cards in school!

C's get degree's

You may get the degree, but you don’t learn proper use of apostrophes in the process….

Can we please start Omar instead of Esco?

No.

Escobar can’t turn it around from the bench.

-C

he can turn it around in AAA

In the time Esco’s been in MLB, he seems to have responded well to his being pulled from games or corrected by Cox. Last year he responded by going 75 games with 2 errors. April and May are about done, we need Escobar to turn his game around. Sit his ass down, get in his face, whatever it takes. I don’t know what percentage of his AB’s result in a grounder to the short stop, but it is way too high.

Can we get the Game Thread up now?

This.

I keep refreshing the main page like some kind of desperate loser who has no friends and needs to comment on a thread to feel like a part of something. I mean….ummm…..a friend of mine does that.

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