The Braves take on the Mets for the third time this spring. Jason Heyward apparently has a sore back from running into the outfield wall in last night's game, and he is sitting this one out. Jeff Francoeur also didn't make the trip with the Mets, as New York brought what looks to be their C-team (which begs the question, "why didn't Francoeur come along). Here is the Braves lineup:
Nate McLouth, CF
Martin Prado, 2B
Chipper Jones, 3B
Eric Hinske, 1B
Melky Cabrera, RF
Matt Diaz, LF
Omar Infante, SS
David Ross, C
Derek Lowe, RH
Following Lowe on the mound should be Takashi Saito, Kris Medlen, Kyle Cofield, Mariano Gomez, and Jonny Venters.
I'm excited to see if Lowe can continue his success, and to see if Cofield can come out and show us something.
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Play Ball!
Let’s kick some Mets a$$ today!
Dave_D - March 10, 2010
Hello afternoon game thread, I missed you.
Smoltz's Beard - March 10, 2010
We missed you too ole scruffy.
Dave_D - March 10, 2010
How bout Werth’s beard last night? Good lord, that was impressive.
Smoltz's Beard - March 10, 2010
He frightened my nephew. Looked like the Geico caveman.
!Vive la Francoeur! - March 10, 2010
Yes it was impressive, that’s for sure. I thought he was going to go out and cut down a tree to use for his bat!
Dave_D - March 10, 2010
Looked like he just got back from Bonnaroo.
Fatvirus - March 10, 2010
HaHa
HEYJUDE - March 10, 2010
Do work Bravooooooooooooooossssss
HawksBaseball2 - March 10, 2010
Perfect opportunity
for Bobby to try hitting Diaz leadoff. With all the righties at the bottom of the lineup, I’d like to see how Nate does hitting 6th. oh well… Guess I’m resigned to the fact that we’re going to have a platoon in the LF/8 hole
Fatvirus - March 10, 2010
McLouth will bat leadoff as long as he’s healthy unfortunately….
Dave_D - March 10, 2010
I've been saying until Heyward.....
Remains healthy for an entire season I’m going to temper my excitement.
Jay212033 - March 10, 2010
It is kind of hard to fault the guy for being a little sore from running into the wall while aggressively playing defense. Could also paritially be a function of playing an afternoon following a night game.
At any rate, I don’t think there is any reason for concern here. It is only the second day off he has had since ST began.
Mountngrown - March 10, 2010
I don't see the big deal either.
All the reports say he could play, and if this were the regular season, he probably would play. But it is spring and he’s played a lot already, so why not give him the day off?
cavebird - March 10, 2010
Yeah, I thought when I saw him hit that wall,
he’ll be sure tomorrow. I don’t think it’s any big thing, just giving him the day off because it’s ST. I think he would be playing with the sore back otherwise.
HEYJUDE - March 10, 2010
Sore not sure
HEYJUDE - March 10, 2010
link to the game??
bravesfan1047 - March 10, 2010
Lowe’s getting hammered already…super
Smoltz's Beard - March 10, 2010
3-0 Mets
Lowe isn’t doing so well thus far. Just gave up a homer.
deewill23 - March 10, 2010
Not good, especially against their C team.
HEYJUDE - March 10, 2010
2 run homer by Chris Carter….who’s that???
They sent 8 players to the plate.
Dave_D - March 10, 2010
So much for Lowe and his “continued success” this spring.
gondeee - March 10, 2010
Yeah, ugh
HEYJUDE - March 10, 2010
Only regular in the lineup for the Mets is Daniel Murphy at first and Omir Santos catching.
Dave_D - March 10, 2010
Nate McLouth walks
Dave_D - March 10, 2010
Much better than another K, he's not been impressive in the leadoff spot.
HEYJUDE - March 10, 2010
So we’re already down 3-0, is that right?
Zeus12888 - March 10, 2010
yup
Smoltz's Beard - March 10, 2010
Prado reaches on a dribbler to 3rd, infield single
Runners on 1st and 2nd, 0 out.
Dave_D - March 10, 2010
Chipper dribbles one to the pitcher
1-3, 1 out, runners on 2nd and 3rd
Dave_D - March 10, 2010
where are you guys watching/listening?
someguy1 - March 10, 2010
I’m listening on mlb.com
Dave_D - March 10, 2010
iphone
Smoltz's Beard - March 10, 2010
reply fail
Smoltz's Beard - March 10, 2010
I'm dependant on what I read on here.......
HEYJUDE - March 10, 2010
Eric Hinske up
1 out, runners on 2nd and 3rd
Dave_D - March 10, 2010
Gets hit by the pitch
Dave_D - March 10, 2010
apparently he’s ok though as he takes first
Dave_D - March 10, 2010
Lets go Hinske, tie this sucker back up
Zeus12888 - March 10, 2010
Melky Cabrera up now
Bases loaded, 1 out
Dave_D - March 10, 2010
He rips one down the line for a double, 2 score
Dave_D - March 10, 2010
nice Melk Man
Zeus12888 - March 10, 2010
Melky delivers, very nice
Smoltz's Beard - March 10, 2010
Braves 3 - Mets 3
Diaz grounds out to 3rd, 5-3 and a run scores from 3rd.
Dave_D - March 10, 2010
Melky Cabrera goes to 3rd on the throw to first.
Dave_D - March 10, 2010
Omar Infante up now
2 out, runner on 3rd
Dave_D - March 10, 2010
Infante Walks
Runners on 1st and 3rd, 2 out
Dave_D - March 10, 2010
David Ross up now
Dave_D - March 10, 2010
Braves 3 - Mets 3
Hits a grounder, off the pitcher to the SS and out to first. 1-6-3 putout.
End of first.
Dave_D - March 10, 2010
OK, now let's see if Lowe can hold.
HEYJUDE - March 10, 2010
Does anyone know if this one is on the radio anywhere?
FineHamAbounds - March 10, 2010
radio
It’s on 1230/1340 in Atlanta or braves.com
inertia53 - March 10, 2010
Just found it
1340 AM. Thanks.
FineHamAbounds - March 10, 2010
Glad somebody is able to tune it in!
Lizziebeth - March 10, 2010
I’ve been craving a Mexi-Dog for two weeks
graf - March 10, 2010
Frenchy (not appearing today, I presume) is 1-11 thus far this Spring.
carpengui - March 10, 2010
Thank you for this nugget.
Smoltz's Beard - March 10, 2010
So happy we were able to get rid of him.
HEYJUDE - March 10, 2010
trade
Would the Muts take McLouth for Frenchy? WHAT THE HELL AM I SAYING!
bighop - March 10, 2010
HaHa
HEYJUDE - March 10, 2010
Virtual dope slap
feel better now?
carpengui - March 10, 2010
schitzo
starting to worry about me, or that other me
bighop - March 10, 2010
WOW Lowe out after 1 inning?
Good thing Meds is around…
Slee - March 10, 2010
Amen....
HEYJUDE - March 10, 2010
May be worth watching the tweets to see if Lowe hurt something.
carpengui - March 10, 2010
tweets
The braves radio network is on twitter twitter.com/bravesradionet
inertia53 - March 10, 2010
Great – thanks – I’m watching DOB’s
carpengui - March 10, 2010
who is calling the game with lemke? he’s not bad (like buck and whoever that was last week)
Slee - March 10, 2010
With Lemke...
Ben Ingram, voice of AA Mississippi Braves.
inertia53 - March 10, 2010
Brian Jordan was awful last night. Everything out of his mouth was just plain incorrect.
Smoltz's Beard - March 10, 2010
Don’t talk about Brian Jordan. Thats Gondeee’s buddy now that he works for FSS.
10-4 - March 10, 2010
Funny thing is
He made Ron Gant sound like a seasoned broadcaster
Bronn - March 10, 2010
I swear that I’d heard Jordan before, but I don’t remember him being so bad. He said that Melky was going to bring alot of power to our lineup!
Smoltz's Beard - March 10, 2010
Cosign, everything he said was pronounced wrong.
TradeAndruw - March 10, 2010
Ortegano was an embarasement to Braves baseball last night.
Did any of Y’all see him “try” to pitch. I know it’s ST, but geez, he sucked.
HEYJUDE - March 10, 2010
Would have liked to see it, but alas, DirecTV had a blackout for a game 700 miles away that didn’t count.
carpengui - March 10, 2010
You didn't miss much,
I would have to say it was the worst ST of the season. Of course we were playing the Phillies.
HEYJUDE - March 10, 2010
I did send an inquiry to DTV about the blackout. A quick response suggested channel 617 in lieu of Peachtree Network (which they don’t offer), but the more complicated question about the spring games needs to be investigated… it would be nice to resolve since several more are on the docket.
carpengui - March 10, 2010
I think I can guess the answer.
The game was televised on Comcast SportsSouth (CSS). Therefore, MLBN will be blacked out in CSS’s viewing area because they are using CSS’s feed. (They aren’t independently producing the telecast.) Because, for obvious reasons, DirecTV doesn’t carry CSS, you can’t get the game if you are in the CSS area but don’t get CSS. It isn’t a baseball territory issue, it is a cable/satellite issue. CSS makes the broadcast, so they want people to have reason to switch to them for having the broadcast.
cavebird - March 10, 2010
what sucks is that we live out in the country and can’t get Comcast, but got blacked out anyway.
10-4 - March 10, 2010
Curious… I technically live in a Comcast service area, but my house cannot have Comcast service — I tried to get it first (yeah, just like you, 10-4). There are about five of the CC sports channels in the DTV ‘SportsPack’, though CSS wasn’t one of them.
carpengui - March 10, 2010
I called Customer Service, and got a guy that was totally clueless. His first response was “Sometimes teams black out games to get people to come to the actual game”. I told him it was a spring training game in Florida, and that doesn’t make any sense. His second response “I don’t see a Braves game listed. There is no game on right now.” I told him we were staring at a black screen with “Atlanta Braves vs Philadelphia Phillies” as the title. I then hung up.
10-4 - March 10, 2010
He probably took a break after that call.
Smoltz's Beard - March 10, 2010
yeah
was really looking forward to seeing him, had a real bad outing, probably not that strange in ST
bighop - March 10, 2010
hopefully
like Lowe today, hope they get it figured out
bighop - March 10, 2010
I saw it…it was sad. His Fastball didn’t have much pop on it.
Dave_D - March 10, 2010
There was nobody in the bullpen the whole time. It was his mess to clean up. Pissed me off. I actually thought we would win a game I went to.
BullManUGA - March 10, 2010
I understand it's ST, and we have to see what a pitcher has, but he should have been taken out for his own good.
That had to kill any confidence he had in himself.
HEYJUDE - March 10, 2010
I wasn’t pissed about the lack of bullpen activity, but the fact that he pitched so poorly.
BullManUGA - March 10, 2010
Yep, me too :(
HEYJUDE - March 10, 2010
Diaz walks.
FineHamAbounds - March 10, 2010
Hola mis amigos!
I love the afternoon gamethreads.
I had this thought yesterday: Does Chipper Jones have a single RBI in ST so far?
justincredubil02 - March 10, 2010
2-8
with 2 BB and 0 RBI
Fatvirus - March 10, 2010
I think we have an update...
Yes.
carpengui - March 10, 2010
Medlen still pitching
FineHamAbounds - March 10, 2010
Cabrera pops out to 2B
FineHamAbounds - March 10, 2010
yes
bluelg - March 10, 2010
Nieve bats for himself... wacky.
FineHamAbounds - March 10, 2010
Nieve, then Pridie ground out
1-2-3 inning for Meds.
FineHamAbounds - March 10, 2010
Ross with a double
FineHamAbounds - March 10, 2010
Cody Johnson pinch hits for Medlen
FineHamAbounds - March 10, 2010
And he grounds out to 1B, Ross to 3rd
FineHamAbounds - March 10, 2010
How many outs?
Zeus12888 - March 10, 2010
Now 2
McLouth grounds out
FineHamAbounds - March 10, 2010
Prado walks on 4 straight pitches
FineHamAbounds - March 10, 2010
I just looked something up: did you guys know that in 2008, JoJo had 12 games in which he gave up 3 runs or less?
justincredubil02 - March 10, 2010
I think I do remember that…I thought he was gonna figure it out after that year even though it was a little up and down.
ATLforlife - March 10, 2010
Anybody see Torii Hunter’s latest verbal diarhea? He’s got some ‘splainin’ to do!
10-4 - March 10, 2010
what was he ranting about?
Zeus12888 - March 10, 2010
he refers to dark skinned latino player’s as “imposters”.
10-4 - March 10, 2010
Yeah..
what’s up with them dudes trying to look black?
sddbaker - March 10, 2010
I missed it. Was it good?
FineHamAbounds - March 10, 2010
Full quote:
10-4 - March 10, 2010
Yikes.
FineHamAbounds - March 10, 2010
I'm sorry..
besides everything else, that’s just stupid. I mean, it makes no sense whatsoever.
sddbaker - March 10, 2010
lol
Smoltz's Beard - March 10, 2010
That's a big bag of chips...
that A-Rod’s getting…….
sddbaker - March 10, 2010
no kidding. he could afford the more expensive kettle cooked ones.
10-4 - March 10, 2010
They moved the south side of Chicago to Africa?
Lizziebeth - March 10, 2010
+1
10-4 - March 10, 2010
because AfAm players never go high in the draft
Mr. Sanchez - March 10, 2010
Chipper with a double!
Ross and Prado score, 5-3 Braves.
FineHamAbounds - March 10, 2010
Atta boy Chip!
Zeus12888 - March 10, 2010
Braves 5 - Mets 3
Chipper doubles down LF line, scores 2
Dave_D - March 10, 2010
Chipper Jones...
Met killer.
sddbaker - March 10, 2010
Yeah,
I forgot about that!
HEYJUDE - March 10, 2010
atta boy chip
bluelg - March 10, 2010
Hinske with a single
Chipper scores. 6-3 Braves.
FineHamAbounds - March 10, 2010
Braves 6 - Mets 3
Hinske singles to score Chipper
Dave_D - March 10, 2010
M-Cab grounds out to 1B.
End of the 4th.
FineHamAbounds - March 10, 2010
Thanks for the updates, guys!
justincredubil02 - March 10, 2010
Ditto
HEYJUDE - March 10, 2010
I gotta go make a sandwich.
You’ll have to live without any updates for a few minutes.
FineHamAbounds - March 10, 2010
Are you going to use some fine ham?
justincredubil02 - March 10, 2010
Ha Ha
HEYJUDE - March 10, 2010
Sadly, no ham on this one. Salami, pepperoni and turkey with provolone.
FineHamAbounds - March 10, 2010
Dang, that sounds good.
ATLforlife - March 10, 2010
sounds better than my lunch
Smoltz's Beard - March 10, 2010
I won’t lie. It was rather tasty.
FineHamAbounds - March 10, 2010
O'Brien Tweet
carpengui - March 10, 2010
Somone needs to get Lowe some blister cream.
justincredubil02 - March 10, 2010
Ugh.
Lizziebeth - March 10, 2010
Wren’s worst move as a GM (FUGA included) $60MM
Wow.
Fatvirus - March 10, 2010
I was just thinking the exact thing!
Get outta my head. :)
HEYJUDE - March 10, 2010
If signing one of the better pitchers in the game is his worst move, I am ok with that.
justincredubil02 - March 10, 2010
I was thinking of the 60mm, long contract, for a pitcher of his age.
If he was pitching well for us, no biggie, but for that kinda $, I have high expectations.
HEYJUDE - March 10, 2010
4.67 ERA
1.51 WHIP
111 SO in 194 Innings.
88 ERA+
1.76 SO/BB
Yeah, he was very mediocre good last year.
Fatvirus - March 10, 2010
He was worth $12M last year. I would much rather have that on our team than on the Mets, as those were his only two likely destinations.
justincredubil02 - March 10, 2010
This again?
I thought you would have gave up using the Fangraphs dollar values as if they actually mean anything after that post where you kept going on and on about what a horrible contract Joe Blanton had just signed at $8 MM a year, and then I pointed out to you that Fangraphs says that Blanton has been worth more than $8 MM in every single season of his career.
Lennox - March 10, 2010
Hey cool. Let me go dig up old arguments and use the fact that I won them in my current discussions too!
justincredubil02 - March 10, 2010
Usually when someone loses an argument they stop making the same one. But here you are still trying to use the Fangraph dollar value mechanic to say that Lowe was worth $12 MM last season.
Lennox - March 10, 2010
Smoltz's Beard - March 10, 2010
Which he was. You never proved that fangraphs was bad – just that I was underestimating Blanton’s value.
I don’t see how my underrating of Joe Blanton has anything to do with how good of a pitcher that Derek Lowe is.
justincredubil02 - March 10, 2010
So, according to Fangraphs
We overpaid by 3 million already, in the first year of his deal? And he has 3 more left?
And don’t forget that the approximate going rate for 1 WAR, this offseason, definitely dropped-significantly. About $3.5 MM per. If he repeats last year, we’re talking about $9.45 MM in value.
That would mean we’ve overpaid, already, by $8.55 MM over 2 years. Assuming he repeats last year. In order to the WAR $$ for this offseason, he has to have at least a 4 WAR year.
Bronn - March 10, 2010
I think that while Lowe is not worth his contract, and probably won’t be, to call him the worst signing ever is a bit extreme. It isn’t like the guy hasn’t been good for us.
He has been very solid and reliable and actually had a decent year last year – even though it was one of his personal worsts.
It’s like Chipper – horrible year by his standards, career year for most players.
justincredubil02 - March 10, 2010
He was like the 57th most valuable SP
in the major leagues. He got paid as though he was much better than that.
Bronn - March 10, 2010
Agreed. He got paid like he was better and he gets treated by us like he was worse.
justincredubil02 - March 10, 2010
Being almost as good as Brian Bannister
is nothing to celebrate.
Bronn - March 10, 2010
Right, Lowe was top 10 among pitchers in salary at $15 MM a year. The 10th best pitcher on Fangraph’s value was worth $27 MM last year.
Fangraphs value system is simply on a different scale that what anyone uses in the real world when evaluating contracts.
Lennox - March 10, 2010
Oh, and you were probably right about Blanton
Just looking at the WAR$$ number doesn’t tell you all of the pertinent details. Everything has its own context.
Phillie chose 3 years of Blanton(plus some marginal prospects) over 1 year of Cliff Lee. The issue is that Philadelphia likely has a very short window (about 2 years) of being championship level because of guys like Utley, Howard, and Victorino all being due big pay-days.
One year of their current crop with Halladay AND Cliff Lee would have really made them favorites to go to the World Series, and afterward they could spent that 8 million again the next year for someone like Erik Bedard or Justin Dushcherer to be a third/fourth starter.
Bronn - March 10, 2010
So you honest to [whatever deity you choose], believe that Joe Blanton was worth a $9.7MM contract last season, and that the Phils are getting him at under value by signing him for $8 MM a year, and not that your original assessment of Blanton was more or less correct, and that the fangraph’s system isn’t an accurate measure of value?
The Fangraph’s system is designed to represent the value of replacing a WAR value IN FREE AGENCY.
The issue is, of course, that a big part of this amount is the unpredictability of Free Agency, you get players like Oliver Perez and Braden Looper who sign for $12 MM a year last season, and then produced negative WAR seasons, this inflates the value of a win in free agency.
Their system means that you might have to spend around $12 MM in free agency to replace Lowe’s win value last season, but that’s because it takes in to consideration that there’s a solid chance that you’ll sign a guy to a big contract and he’ll play like crap, and then you’d have to sign another guy or two to make up for that guy that sucks. That doesn’t mean that a team should consider the season that Lowe produced last year to be a good use of $12 MM dollars.
The actual value of a win in baseball (not based solely on the FA class) is around $2.3 MM or so. This is low, of course, because there are many young cost controlled players. Personally, I’ve found that if you take the ACTUAL win value, and the FA win value, and find the median between the two, it’s a more accurate assessment of what a win is actually worth to a team.
Lennox - March 10, 2010
And there's also guys like Roy Halladay
who make $12 million, but gives you 7 WAR. There’s steals, and there’s busts.
Bronn - March 10, 2010
Halladay doesn’t count toward the figure though, as he’s not a member of the most recent FA class.
Lennox - March 10, 2010
No. I don’t. I still think that Blanton is being over paid. But you said it yourself – it is based on the Free Agent market.
Let’s look at Lowe’s free agent class: AJ Burnett, Derek Lowe, Oliver Perez, etc.
Who pitched closest in value to what they got paid? Derek Lowe.
justincredubil02 - March 10, 2010
He might not be over paid
But he was a bad signing for the Phillies, who should have kept Cliff Lee and gone for a championship this year.
Bronn - March 10, 2010
I agree completely.
justincredubil02 - March 10, 2010
Closest between the actual contract and fangraphs’ dollar value?
Not looking over everyone, but Burnett signed for $16.5 MM, and was valued at $14 MM by fangraphs. Which is closer in value than Lowe.
Unless you count Smoltz who was valued at $6.6 MM by Fangraphs and probably made around $6 MM in actual money when all was said and done. Then I guess he was the closest.
Lennox - March 10, 2010
without him...
we keep Vasquez and have a great deal more financial flexibility this year, last year, and going forward.
Mr. Sanchez - March 10, 2010
If only all things could be looked at with 20/20 hindsight vision.
justincredubil02 - March 10, 2010
Do we honestly need him last year?...
It’s a gamble, and not anymore than the year before, but we could have tried without him. Maybe sign a lower level FA or just go with what we did and spend the money on Dunn instead of FUGA. Vasquez deal, sign KK, so you got those two, plus Jurrjens. That’s a decent 3. You got Hudson coming back down the stretch possibly so you only need 15-20 starts until then (Jojo?). Then there’s Glavine, maybe plan on a full season of Hanson, or let him start in AAA and replace Medlen or Reyes in late May/June, among other options internally and externally.
Mr. Sanchez - March 10, 2010
True
I mean, yay-he helped us only miss the playoffs by 6 games. What a victory.
Bronn - March 10, 2010
At what cost?...
And miss the playoffs by 6 games, or 26, you miss the playoffs. Kind of like horseshoes and hand grenades.
Mr. Sanchez - March 10, 2010
Again, hindsight is great.
justincredubil02 - March 10, 2010
Not really much other way to look at things...
you can try foresight, but you’ll be wrong more often than not. The only way to evaluate things is after they’ve occurred and you can assess the effects.
Mr. Sanchez - March 10, 2010
So, just like the Tex trade, you pull that trigger 10 out of 10 times.
justincredubil02 - March 10, 2010
You may...
others might have disagreed at the time and felt vindicated in their opinion by how things ultimately played out.
Mr. Sanchez - March 11, 2010
Possibly. I wasn’t around here when Tex was traded, but I can tell you that the places I was active in, not one person was upset with the trade. Most of us (and by that I mean about 80%) felt that the trade would give us the best offense in the NL and take us to the WS.
I was around here for the Lowe signing, and I can tell you that the vast majority of us were excited about it. The ones who weren’t were the ones who still wanted to trade for Peavy. Lowe was the best SP available and we went out and got him.
Now, to be fair, some of us were not ecstatic about the price we were paying, but at some point, we need to accept the cost of doing business in Major League Baseball today.
justincredubil02 - March 11, 2010
And at one time...
80+% of people thought the world was flat and the Sun revolved around us. Majority opinion doesn’t mean much.
Mr. Sanchez - March 11, 2010
Now you’re just being difficult.
Smoltz's Beard - March 11, 2010
And justin isn't?...
I’ve said a few times on the deal cb hates so much, I did not think that put us over the hump with problems in the pitching staff both bullpen wise with Wickman and following Smoltz/Huddy in the rotation. We had too many holes to fill for Tex to put us over the top, so bad deal in giving up that much with so many other holes around. And Lowe I felt at the time was just too long, and too much. He’s a decent pitcher, but at that price I didn’t think he was worth it. Justin can cry hindsight all he wants, but some people can use the effects after the fact to show why their opinion at the time has proven accurate.
Mr. Sanchez - March 11, 2010
Were you against the Lowe signing from the beginning? If not, then shut up. If so, then congratulations, you might be right.
justincredubil02 - March 11, 2010
You really can be a disagreeable douche
fun conversation.
Mr. Sanchez - March 11, 2010
Majority opinion does mean something when we are discussing opinions on something.
Someone’s opinion on a fact is irrelevant, but someone’s opinion on a subjective issue is totally relevant.
justincredubil02 - March 11, 2010
And majority opinion can be wrong...
or based on incorrect facts, or sometimes the idiots outnumber the intelligent.
Mr. Sanchez - March 11, 2010
When things are black and white, like say, the sun being the center of the universe, then yes, people can be (and were) wrong.
However, when saying something was a right decision or a wrong decision (something that is subjective), no, opinions cannot be wrong.
justincredubil02 - March 11, 2010
If you say so...
but if not “wrong”, they can certainly be misguided, foolish, mistaken, or many other descriptive words of that ilk.
Mr. Sanchez - March 11, 2010
Agreed. However, if someone were to consider trading for one of the best 1B in the game to help get to the postseason, or signing the best available free agent pitcher as good moves, then it is hard to suggest that those opinions are any of the descriptive words that you chose.
justincredubil02 - March 11, 2010
We've carried this on long enough...
especially since if I recall correctly, we’ve already hashed out Tex in length.
But trading for a 1B, when you’re pitching staff isn’t up to snuff for a post season run isn’t much help. It’s like a junk car and you fix the bumper, but leave a busted transmission. May look nicer, but still doesn’t work.
And best FA pitcher is considering others available. While Lowe may have had the best results in the past, it is not inaccurate to say it could be misguided, foolish, or a mistake to pay a P in their late 30s $60m/4 years.
Mr. Sanchez - March 11, 2010
Let’s wait a little more than one season before we start throwing comments like that around, shall we?
Smoltz's Beard - March 10, 2010
What have we told you about using common sense around here???
justincredubil02 - March 10, 2010
But seriously...
if he can’t bounce back and pitches at the same level or worse than last year for the next 3, that’s a pretty awful move. That and Tex for Kotch/Marek are the two worst off the top of my head. It looks good through 20/20 hindsight but not at the time, but if only it was Morales instead.
Mr. Sanchez - March 10, 2010
If he does pitch poorly this season I will fully agree with you.
Smoltz's Beard - March 10, 2010
No
You have to decide NOW.
sddbaker - March 11, 2010
haha
Smoltz's Beard - March 11, 2010
They’re talking about how Mike Hessman has hit 311 homers in the minors.
Real life Crash Davis
Dave_D - March 10, 2010
And he promptly strikes out on queue.
Dave_D - March 10, 2010
I thought that Crash Davis was the real life Crash Davis …
Lennox - March 10, 2010
Exactly what I was thinking
But then again, I decided to let that one stand.
Bronn - March 10, 2010
Russ Adams hits a triple past McLouth
Carter scores, tie game. McLouth maybe shouldn’t have dived there…
FineHamAbounds - March 10, 2010
so what did we miss? Last I saw it was 6-3…
justincredubil02 - March 10, 2010
Something like...
Single, Hessman grounded out and moved the runner to 3rd, then someone hit a double.
FineHamAbounds - March 10, 2010
Santos pops out to Conrad at 2B
FineHamAbounds - March 10, 2010
Freeman makes a "nice play at first"
Inning over.
FineHamAbounds - March 10, 2010
Who was pitching?
Is Meds still in?
HEYJUDE - March 10, 2010
Saito
FineHamAbounds - March 10, 2010
He's not been very impressive thus far, imo
HEYJUDE - March 10, 2010
Just joined in...Yikes,
what happened to Lowe?
alligatorimpersonator - March 10, 2010
Got shelled.
FineHamAbounds - March 10, 2010
Diaz grounds out(?)
The play-by-play is taking a back seat to talking about Mike Hessman.
FineHamAbounds - March 10, 2010
Infante with a single to RF
FineHamAbounds - March 10, 2010
So wait, did Saito give up runs again??
pancanbra - March 10, 2010
Yes. 3 ER, I believe.
FineHamAbounds - March 10, 2010
3 of them...
for an ERA of 22 so far this spring
Zeus12888 - March 10, 2010
Jesus.
I’m trying to have faith in Wren, I really am. But Chavez, Saito, Lowe, McLouth, FUGA, are all Wren products. And Wags isn’t looking like a dominant closer at age 50 either.
pancanbra - March 10, 2010
Mike Minor may be the best thing Wren has going for him.
pancanbra - March 10, 2010
The only ones you mention that hold any water
are FUGA and Lowe
alligatorimpersonator - March 10, 2010
We’ll see.
pancanbra - March 10, 2010
Well you can’t use Chavez. We were bent over a barrel there by Soriano, and we got something in return for him.
Saito is a wait-and-see candidate. You’re right about FUGA, and I’ll give you Lowe for now.
McLouth was a stroke of brilliance. A great, affordable contract for a guy to play centerfield with an above average bat, and we gave up what? A prospect still living off the hype of a good half-season, a lefty pitching prospect we didn’t care for, and Charlie Morton. It was a damn steal
Bronn - March 10, 2010
That's not to mention
He actually traded Francoeur (great move to get a breathing body for him).
The GREAT signing of Troy Glaus. A really solid move to add Hinske (IMO).
Bronn - March 10, 2010
Hey,
if the jury is still out on Wags and Saito, then it’s still out on Hinske and Glaus too.
pancanbra - March 10, 2010
Not for the money
Those guys were steals. Even if Glaus trips and breaks both legs before camp breaks, you can’t put that on FW. A half season of average play from Glaus is easily worth more than $2 million
Bronn - March 10, 2010
Well, if we hadn’t jumped on signing Saito so early, we would have had the option to keep Soriano and not be so much “over a barrel”.
It’s still too early to write him off, but his age and the way he was handled with kid gloves last year combined with how he’s pitched this spring are worrying.
Lennox - March 10, 2010
This.
pancanbra - March 10, 2010
lies and damned lies
Soriano is making $7.25 million with performance incentives.
Saito is making $3.2 million with performance incentives.
Bronn - March 10, 2010
this
we couldn’t afford Soriano any way you slice it.
alligatorimpersonator - March 10, 2010
So we’d rather pay 3.2 million for an over the hill set up guy that can’t handle heavy work loads?
pancanbra - March 10, 2010
We could have worked something out with Soriano, we were apparently ready to spend $4 MM or so on Damon. We’d have also had more power in any trade talks if other teams believed that us keeping Soriano was an option, even if it really wasn’t.
Lennox - March 10, 2010
4 million
with deferred money. Anyway, Soriano was an arbitration case – it’s basically guaranteed he would’ve seen 7.5 million, we couldn’t have just “worked something out”with him.
alligatorimpersonator - March 10, 2010
Uh, sure, we could have, guys sign contracts rather than go to arbitration all the time …
Lennox - March 10, 2010
Braves don’t like signing relief pitchers, with low marginal value, to long term multi-million dollar deals. It doesn’t make as much sense financially. Soriano wanted a long-term deal, he was not going to take any one-year offers, and in arbitration he might have taken us for 8 or 9 million.
Instead, we’re on the books for one year of $3.2 million and we’ve got guys like Kimbrel, Moylan, and Gearrin on the cheap in the future.
Bronn - March 10, 2010
Um, Soriano took a one year offer from the Rays …
Lennox - March 10, 2010
for how much?
7.25 million plus performance incentives. The Braves couldn’t afford him…
alligatorimpersonator - March 10, 2010
Uh, that’s basically what we paid Saito combined with what we were ready to pay Damon.
Lennox - March 10, 2010
Damon would've made 2 million this year
3.2 + 2 = 5.2 million, not 7.25 minimum. Plus, who knows the Braves plans, they could’ve got rid of Diaz’’s contract if they got Damon.
alligatorimpersonator - March 10, 2010
The Rays were in a different negotiating position.
Bronn - March 10, 2010
Yes, because they hadn’t already signed two big money relievers.
Lennox - March 10, 2010
So far...
based solely on his numbers with Atlanta and NOT with Pittsburgh, he’s been more of a hole in our lineup. And his defense is really not that great.
pancanbra - March 10, 2010
his defense is slightly below average
for center, that’s not bad. And, last year with us he was still decent even though battling nagging hamstring injuries and having vision problems.
alligatorimpersonator - March 10, 2010
He played average CF defense last year
League average CF defense = really good. And a .342 wOBA from a CFer? That’s basically Grady Sizemore last year.
Standards too high, anyone?
Bronn - March 10, 2010
Oh come on, you cannot compare him to Sizemore. He has half the range of Sizemore and not much of an arm. There are no stats on the amount of balls he could’ve made plays on and let drop in for base hits.
pancanbra - March 10, 2010
Actually, UZR is the stat that shows you that. Not exact balls he could’ve gotten to, but it shows you his range.
alligatorimpersonator - March 10, 2010
Last year
His time with the Braves was worth approximately the same WAR as Grady’s injury shortened season. I think it’s a fair enough comparison.
Bronn - March 10, 2010
this
we’ve seen Saito, what, three times? Ditto Chavez… plus he’s a kid.
McLouth has been fine so far, even though he’s not a natural leadoff guy.
Fatvirus - March 10, 2010
Yep, he's looked sharp.
HEYJUDE - March 10, 2010
Minor that is...
HEYJUDE - March 10, 2010
not to mention
re-signing Hudson and trading Vazquez
nathan rothschild - March 10, 2010
Huddy’s typical year > Vazquez’s typical year.
And Huddy’s doing it for less money.
alligatorimpersonator - March 10, 2010
11m vs 9m
Vazquez was consistently awesome last year. Some guys pitch better in humid conditions. Huddy is a huge question mark.
Vazquez >> Huddy
nathan rothschild - March 10, 2010
So, one great season in a career...
…means that a pitcher is far better than another pitcher just because it happened to be last year? That defies logic.
cavebird - March 10, 2010
Funny you mention that about humid conditions being the reason for his success last year. He was better away from Atlanta. And how is Huddy a huge question mark?
alligatorimpersonator - March 10, 2010
Ross hit a ball as far as you can...
…without going out. Flies out to RF.
FineHamAbounds - March 10, 2010
Freeman grounds out to SS
End of the 5th.
FineHamAbounds - March 10, 2010
Mariano Gomez on to pitch
FineHamAbounds - March 10, 2010
Some guy I’ve never heard of with an unspellable name its a single
FineHamAbounds - March 10, 2010
Mike Cerviniak (sp?)
FineHamAbounds - March 10, 2010
Francouer?
carpengui - March 10, 2010
Hey-OH! http://www.instantrimshot.com/
FineHamAbounds - March 10, 2010
Hicks in to play SS
FineHamAbounds - March 10, 2010
Okay, I get excited about this team every year, but I really DO feel good about the Braves this season.
In retrospect, I kind of knew I was kidding myself last season when I got excited about this team. I had reservations about a ton of positions, but then got caught up in the hype of a couple of rookies (Schafer and Hanson). I really didn’t feel good about this team last year until opening weekend, when we should have swept the Phillies but for a bullpen explosion.
This year, I really DO feel good about this team.
Bronn - March 10, 2010
Pridie strikes out
FineHamAbounds - March 10, 2010
Base hit by Tejada up the middle
Runners first and second
FineHamAbounds - March 10, 2010
I feel good about our offense esp if glaus keep swingin the bat like he has so far and chipper has a “normal” year.
If these two players click and heyward bats .300 with 30 or so dingers we can give the phillies a run for their money or win the WC easily
I am a little concerned about our bullpen
ATLBRVS_19 - March 10, 2010
I was hoping Moylan would get the closer role,
but maybe FW thought his arm might fall off after last season of over use.
HEYJUDE - March 10, 2010
If JHey goes .300/30HR, then the bullpen can probably mail it in!
As an aside: 100 minutes since Lowe left the mound – no word on whether he’s okay.
carpengui - March 10, 2010
He’s probably fine. He seems to be a feast-or-famine kinda pitcher, as we saw last season.
FineHamAbounds - March 10, 2010
Yep, he may have just told Bobby he didn't have it today.
HEYJUDE - March 10, 2010
I feel like Lowe says he “doesn’t have it” almost every day these days…
alligatorimpersonator - March 10, 2010
I will say that it’s not unusual for a vet to go out and throw, say, nothing but sliders since that’s what he wants to work on. As soon as the other clubs figures it out, they sit on the slider and shell him.
carpengui - March 10, 2010
Other the other foot, though…
carpengui - March 10, 2010
Uhh, yeah, but then get pulled after only one inning?
pancanbra - March 10, 2010
See below. The questions have been answered.
carpengui - March 10, 2010
Murphy hits into a FC
2 outs, runners at 1st and 3rd
FineHamAbounds - March 10, 2010
Hessman’s up again, the ass-kissing continues.
FineHamAbounds - March 10, 2010
Hessman grounds out to 3rd
Middle of the 6th
FineHamAbounds - March 10, 2010
Parnell on to pitch for the Muts
FineHamAbounds - March 10, 2010
McLouth up first
FineHamAbounds - March 10, 2010
Bowman is sayin on his twitter blog it was a blister under his right big toe that knocked Lowe out
ATLBRVS_19 - March 10, 2010
From Gondeee on home page:
From a DOB Tweet:
Blister under r. big toe led to Lowe’s troubles. It’s messy, cropped up after 3rd pitch. Said he taped it whole career until this spring.
And here I thought his blister problems were on his hand…
I vote that we nickname Derek Lowe, “Mister Blister.”
I Saw Buzz Beaned - March 10, 2010
Rubber arm, crepe paper skin.
FineHamAbounds - March 10, 2010
Ooooh, I like both of these.
Lizziebeth - March 10, 2010
… I wonder why you’d tape it up your whole career and decide to make a change like that now?
Lennox - March 10, 2010
Because he gets paid no matter what he does.
pancanbra - March 10, 2010
That makes sense.
/sarcasm
Skyagusta - March 10, 2010
A blister under big toe after only 3 pitches,
sounds like a crop of $hit to me.
HEYJUDE - March 10, 2010
I totally called that way up in the thread.
lol
justincredubil02 - March 10, 2010
Hinske...
is as hot as a fresh cooked corndog!
HalleyGator - March 10, 2010
what
does that make glaus?
atl192485 - March 10, 2010
McLouth K’s looking at a “96 MPH fastball”
FineHamAbounds - March 10, 2010
But, at least he saw it clearly …
Lennox - March 10, 2010
Nice!
I Saw Buzz Beaned - March 10, 2010
Zing!
FineHamAbounds - March 10, 2010
Conrad fouls out to 1B
FineHamAbounds - March 10, 2010
Thurston K's swinging.
End of the 6th.
FineHamAbounds - March 10, 2010
Kyle Cofield on to pitch for Atlanta
Blanco in CF
FineHamAbounds - March 10, 2010
Carter walks
FineHamAbounds - March 10, 2010
Adams pops out to LF
Or, “Brent Cleveland” if you’re Ben Ingram
FineHamAbounds - March 10, 2010
Santos hits into 4-3 DP
7th inning stretch
FineHamAbounds - March 10, 2010
Mitch Jones flies out to LF
FineHamAbounds - March 10, 2010
Cofield,
Other than the walk, it sounds like he did well.
HEYJUDE - March 10, 2010
Brett Cleveland up to hit
Or Brent Clevlen if you’ve been paying attention
FineHamAbounds - March 10, 2010
Base hit
FineHamAbounds - March 10, 2010
Thanks, John Miller!
Bronn - March 10, 2010
Brandon Hicks up
FineHamAbounds - March 10, 2010
Grounds out
Clevlen to 3rd
FineHamAbounds - March 10, 2010
whats the score?
bravesfan1047 - March 10, 2010
6-6
FineHamAbounds - March 10, 2010
thanks and the inning is?
bravesfan1047 - March 10, 2010
Sammons flies out to RF
End of the 7th
FineHamAbounds - March 10, 2010
Venters on to pitch
Carter grounds out to SS
FineHamAbounds - March 10, 2010
Sorry, not Carter. Bowman. Hard to keep track with all the subs.
Pridie singles to RF
FineHamAbounds - March 10, 2010
Tejada hits into 4-6-3 DP
Middle of the 8th
FineHamAbounds - March 10, 2010
Blanco up first in the bottom of the 8th
FineHamAbounds - March 10, 2010
Strikeout
FineHamAbounds - March 10, 2010
Freeman grounds out to 2B
FineHamAbounds - March 10, 2010
Matt Young up to hit
FineHamAbounds - March 10, 2010
Ground out to 1B
End of the 8th
FineHamAbounds - March 10, 2010
Cory Gearrin on to pitch the top of the 9th
FineHamAbounds - March 10, 2010
Murphy grounds out to 2B
FineHamAbounds - March 10, 2010
Thanks for the updates
im still here
bravesguy311 - March 10, 2010
Thanks for the play by play, Fine Ham.
I’m working on things so I can’t comment but I am still looking over!
alligatorimpersonator - March 10, 2010
Not a problem.
Seems like we had quite a drop of in attendance when Heyward’s not in the lineup.
FineHamAbounds - March 10, 2010
Thanks man, I'm always here, Heyward or not.
HEYJUDE - March 10, 2010
haha true
that and most of the regulars have been replaced by the young guys
alligatorimpersonator - March 10, 2010
Yay, fresh blood.
Lizziebeth - March 10, 2010
Thanks,
for calling me a young guy!
I Saw Buzz Beaned - March 10, 2010
haha...
I meant that regulars like Chipper had been replaced with scrubs, but you can still be a young guy if you’d like
alligatorimpersonator - March 10, 2010
Heck of alot younger than most of you guys & gals. 47 soon. I’m practically done.
I Saw Buzz Beaned - March 10, 2010
The fact that you’re 47 and can effectively communicate on the internet puts you ahead of most other 47 year olds. My mom’s 52 and the other day she asked me how to get to Google.
alligatorimpersonator - March 10, 2010
I’m half Japanese, we’re “born with it”. lol
I Saw Buzz Beaned - March 10, 2010
Thole strikes out.
FineHamAbounds - March 10, 2010
The announcers are talking a lot about Gearrin’s motion and how deceptive it is because he’s a sidearmer.
FineHamAbounds - March 10, 2010
That's good to hear.
HEYJUDE - March 10, 2010
Always the same talking points with side-armers.
Bronn - March 10, 2010
Base hit to RF by Feliciano
FineHamAbounds - March 10, 2010
Steals second
FineHamAbounds - March 10, 2010
Error by Conrad
Runners first and third, 2 outs
FineHamAbounds - March 10, 2010
I have no idea who just grounded out to SS
But inning over.
FineHamAbounds - March 10, 2010
Is the game still tied?
HEYJUDE - March 10, 2010
Yep.
We’re up to bat going into the bottom of the 9th
FineHamAbounds - March 10, 2010
Thanks man,
now let’s get a run and win this game.
HEYJUDE - March 10, 2010
Eric Niesen (sp?) pitcher for the Mutts
FineHamAbounds - March 10, 2010
Conrad grounds out to 2B
FineHamAbounds - March 10, 2010
Thurston up
Mitch Jones next (I think)
FineHamAbounds - March 10, 2010
Bottom 9, 1 out, right?
justincredubil02 - March 10, 2010
Thurston K's swining
2 outs, bottom of the 9th, Mitch Jones up
FineHamAbounds - March 10, 2010
3-1 to Mitch Jones
FineHamAbounds - March 10, 2010
Walk
Runner on 1st, 2 outs. Brett Cleveland up up.
FineHamAbounds - March 10, 2010
2-2 on Ben Cleblan
FineHamAbounds - March 10, 2010
Full count
FineHamAbounds - March 10, 2010
I am liking this Mitch Jones more and more…I hope he makes the team!
justincredubil02 - March 10, 2010
I agree. I think having that kind of power threat on the bench would be a nice asset.
FineHamAbounds - March 10, 2010
no, he struckout in the first game of the spring. he’s worthless.
10-4 - March 10, 2010
Plus, he has shown patience at the plate.
I like him also.
HEYJUDE - March 10, 2010
Strikeout.
Free baseball!
FineHamAbounds - March 10, 2010
I didn't know they had OT in ST.
HEYJUDE - March 10, 2010
They don’t go past a certain inning, I think. The other day I saw the final score was a tie after the 10th.
alligatorimpersonator - March 10, 2010
The announcers mentioned something about “one extra inning being standard in ST.” Dunno if that holds any water though.
FineHamAbounds - March 10, 2010
yeah I think that's right
alligatorimpersonator - March 10, 2010
Oh ok,
nice to know.
HEYJUDE - March 10, 2010
Kimbrel on to pitch
FineHamAbounds - March 10, 2010
1st pitch was 97 MPH. No complaints there.
FineHamAbounds - March 10, 2010
holy jayzus
Fatvirus - March 10, 2010
The last one just now was 98
FineHamAbounds - March 10, 2010
I like what I hear
alligatorimpersonator - March 10, 2010
Geez!
HEYJUDE - March 10, 2010
Faces Ike Davis
FineHamAbounds - March 10, 2010
Davis walks after a full count
FineHamAbounds - March 10, 2010
One of two outcomes that Kimbrel is capable of.
alligatorimpersonator - March 10, 2010
Basically
FineHamAbounds - March 10, 2010
Yep, he's gotta have command of it.
HEYJUDE - March 10, 2010
Bowman K's
83 MPH breaking ball (slider?)
FineHamAbounds - March 10, 2010
Mets pitchers
Niese
Nieve
Niesen
Niether… ha.
BahamaBrave - March 10, 2010
I thought the box score had a bunch of typos at first
FineHamAbounds - March 10, 2010
Hernandez steals second
FineHamAbounds - March 10, 2010
Pridie strikes out swinging
FineHamAbounds - March 10, 2010
Pop out to CF
Middle of the 10th.
Kimbrel’s line: 1 IP, 0H, 0R, 1BB, 2K
FineHamAbounds - March 10, 2010
Muy bien.
Scott Coleman - March 10, 2010 via mobile
typical Kimbrel
walk, K’s and gets out of it with 97 mph stuff
bighop - March 10, 2010
Brandon Hicks up
FineHamAbounds - March 10, 2010
Walk
Runner on 1st, no outs
FineHamAbounds - March 10, 2010
good start
Smoltz's Beard - March 10, 2010
this old man took a nap
haven’t said thanks for the play by play…..so thanks
bighop - March 10, 2010
No problem.
FineHamAbounds - March 10, 2010
Sammons bunts hicks to 2nd
1 out, runner on 2nd
FineHamAbounds - March 10, 2010
Blanco up
FineHamAbounds - March 10, 2010
Grounder to second
Hicks moves to 3rd, 2 outs
FineHamAbounds - March 10, 2010
Freeman up
FineHamAbounds - March 10, 2010
1-1 count
FineHamAbounds - March 10, 2010
1-2 pitch hits Freeman in the back
Jesus Sucre to bat
FineHamAbounds - March 10, 2010
Runners at the corners, 2 outs
FineHamAbounds - March 10, 2010
Freeman steals 2nd, uncontested
FineHamAbounds - March 10, 2010
2-0 count on Sucre
FineHamAbounds - March 10, 2010
HOME RUN
FineHamAbounds - March 10, 2010
NO WAY
Zeus12888 - March 10, 2010
haha, awesome
Smoltz's Beard - March 10, 2010
Are you serious??
HEYJUDE - March 10, 2010
Braves win 7-6 on a walkoff from Jesus Sucre
FineHamAbounds - March 10, 2010
walkoff or walkoff HR?
cause if it was a HR it should be 9-6
Zeus12888 - March 10, 2010
9-6, yeah. I temporarily forgot about the 2 runners on base.
FineHamAbounds - March 10, 2010
7-6
after sucre stepped on first he started celebrating, so it technically counts as a single (a la freeman)
atl192485 - March 10, 2010
Yes, I am serious.
hahaha
FineHamAbounds - March 10, 2010
OMG, what an ending!
HEYJUDE - March 10, 2010
awesome
Sucre is the man
bighop - March 10, 2010
Sweetness. I would just like to point out, the bunt did not help this outcome at all!
: )
justincredubil02 - March 10, 2010
Gotta love waiting for the 3-run HR
Smoltz's Beard - March 10, 2010
Jesus Sucre is coming along nicely it seems...
the next trade bait C we come up with? Not Salty or Flowers, but he could be a nice piece for a deal.
Mr. Sanchez - March 10, 2010
Been real guys.
I gotta go and get some of those stupid cable box things from Comcast.
FineHamAbounds - March 10, 2010
Thank you,
and yes Comcast closes soon.
HEYJUDE - March 10, 2010
dope.. thanks for the play by play everybody
even without Heyward
Mighty Healthy - March 10, 2010
Yes.
Thanks for the play by play, what a way to end it.
cavebird - March 10, 2010
Jesus Sucre
RALLY KILLER
Zeus12888 - March 10, 2010
hahahah
+1
(this is a joke that will never get old)
justincredubil02 - March 10, 2010
lol
Smoltz's Beard - March 10, 2010
I'd like to see Cody Johnson get more AB's though..
Mighty Healthy - March 10, 2010
So what was the final score?
The radio announcers said that it was officially 7-6 Braves, because Sucre got to first base and the runner came in, and then Sucre ran to his teammates, so he didn’t round the bases. Is that true? They may have revised that statement, because I turned it off as soon as the game was done. Either way…good job by Sucre!
forgotten_glory - March 10, 2010
sucre never rounded the bases and touched home plate, so it should technically only count as a single and it should be 7-6. however, mlb gameday has it has a homer and the score as 9-6 as of right now.
atl192485 - March 10, 2010
Yeah, gameday changed their score from 9-6 to 7-6
This is hilarious. Two over the fence singles in less than 10 days.
eyy - March 10, 2010
But this time, the 3-run HR only counts for 1 RBI!
HAHAH!
justincredubil02 - March 10, 2010
I would have rounded the damn bases to get my stats! ;-)
Dave_D - March 10, 2010
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