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Hernandez's Injury Gives Braves Roster Flexibility

Diory Hernandez's injury could prevent the Braves from having to lose another player.

Diory Hernandez's injury could prevent the Braves from having to lose another player.

Here in the early days of Spring Training we've learned that Braves infielder Diory Hernandez injured his left (non-throwing) shoulder playing winter ball and that that injury required surgery that will keep him out of action until the middle of the season. Hernandez was expected to come into camp and compete with Brooks Conrad and Joe Thurston for the last spot on the Braves' bench. While both have more professional experience and are considered better hitters, Hernandez is a better defender at shortstop, second and third base than either of his competitiors, something that may have been more valuable as the final man on the bench. Hernandez was much maligned for his poor showing with the bat in his short time with Atlanta in 2009, but, as his Minor League numbers show, he is a very good contact hitter and much more capable than his small Major League sample size would indicate.

But, while the injury is certainly a blow for Hernandez personally, it may be an accidental blessing for the Braves. Hernandez is projected to miss the first three months of the season, but even if he only misses the first two months, the Braves can still place him on the 60-day disabled list, a move that creates an additional space on the 40-man roster. Essentially, when a player is on the 60-day DL, he doesn't count against the 40-man, making it a 41-man roster. Even if Hernandez only misses the first month, the team is allowed to keep him on the DL while he completes a 20 day rehab assignment, which would actually allow him to play while technically still on the DL. No matter how you slice it, if Hernandez is out for any number of months, the team can place him on the 60-day DL.

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Why is it important to gain this extra roster space from putting Hernandez on the 60-day DL? Because the Braves have a full 40-man roster and it looks like at least one non-roster invitee is going to end up making the team. Every year at least one non-roster player makes the team and when the 40-man is full this necessitates removing a player, either through outright release or exposing him to the waiver process, which could lead to him being claimed by another team. Having Hernandez on the 60-day DL prevents this necessity, meaning that the Braves can keep a player rather than losing one.

Obviously, all kinds of things can happen over the course of a Spring Training that could lead the Braves to decide that any number of players on their current 40-man roster needs to be removed, but it's also possible that the want to keep them all and the roster flexibility that Hernandez's unfortunate injury creates allows for that option. So if the Braves decide to keep Joe Thurston or Mitch Jones for their  last roster spot, or, more likely, choose to start the season with the number one prospect in all of baseball, Jason Heyward, as their starting right fielder, they won't have to make the move at the cost of another player.

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Kind of a catch 21, your reasoning makes sense but still the best possible scenario would be to have a solid defensive middle infielder on the roster. Now we will probably be stuck with Conrad for half the season.

Why would use the word “stuck” with Conrad? He was fantastic when he was up briefly last season.

I like Conrad, he was great in July, but he was aweful in Sept

Agreed...

BA in July = .344 in 34 PA with a OPS of 1.070
vs.
BA Sept = .000 in 24 PA with a OPS of 0.083.

Let’s acknowledge the small sample size but here’s to hoping the July Brooks Conrad shows up and makes the squad. Plus the dude’s got character. Wasn’t it he that took the rookie hazing run way show (for lack of a better way of putting it) by storm.

pictures

I saved those hazing pictures to my favorites, they are hilarious. If Conrad can get it together a little, he’ll be fine. Probably not a 1.070 OPS, but Norton kicked his butt in Sept.

. If Conrad can get it together a little, he’ll be fine

You could say that about anyone. I mean, it is like saying “if he does well, then he will do well.”

but hey!

… his lifetime OPS in the minors is over .800+!

/sarcasm fail

in the minors is over .800+! = in the minors is .800+!

Justin, you're right

That’s why I included the bit about Norton kicking his butt. By saying get it together, I was talking about melding his hot July and cold Sept. It was conversational, nothing more. I wish I had been more profound in my wording.

Help me out Justin

Would I have been better off to just post -“this”, or—-“+1”, than writing a sentence? Or would you have found fault with that too.

Not trying to be hostile here. Just pointing out that saying “if he can get it together, he will be fine” is not really saying much of anything.

I was also saying it more in fun than anything too. Relax.

ok

You seem to have a lot of “fun” with my posts. I’ll shut up now.

No he was not. He was fantastic for 10 games in which he had 31 ABs.

He was then epically horrible for his next 19 games in which he had 23 ABs to the tune of a .000/.080/.000/.080 stat line.

kind of like another second baseman we used to know : )

Except that other 2B that we used to know always ended up with a really good stat line over an entire season – Conrad’s stat line ended up atrocious.

Besides, I am not saying that Conrad sucks, I am saying that he was not awesome when he was in Atlanta last season.

Still, I’m sure you’ll admit, 54 at bats is hardly a good judge of any player’s ability.

Do we all still agree that Brooks has a hot butt?

Now that was all baffling to me. I’ve never understood women, and I’m not saying Brooks is ugly, but the man ain’t cute.

DItto. I didn’t get it either, and oftentimes I’m considered to be a woman.

iirc

In the first ten games, he was playing regularly whereas during the second stint he was mainly pinch hitting…I wonder if that had an affect

If so, maybe the last bench spot isnt a good idea for him

Neither is starting 2B, imho.

Well, I mean, I didn’t hurt Diory’s shoulder…

Great write up CB

Good to know!

mid summer

When Diory returns from the DL, someone will have to be released or open to waivers, unless Wren trades someone from the 40 for a minor leaguer. Is that right?

Yes,

unless someone else on the 40-man gets hurt and can be transferred to the 60-day DL.

This. All kinds of stuff can and will happen between now and then.

Kind of bittersweet, but more sweet than anything.

Kind of off topic, but did anyone catch BBTN earlier? It was on the Braves, but the only video I could find on ESPN.com was just about Bobby Cox. Nothing wrong with some Cox love, but they didn’t talk about the 2010 Braves at all…

Saw the Hanson interview

It was ok.

I saw the last 10 minutes of it. Karl Ravech was being especially douchey today and wouldnt shut up about the Yankees, and Matty D got a shitty haircut from Chris Singleton. Thats all I saw.

"Nothing wrong with some Cox love..."

That’s what she said.

Yes they did. Quite a bit, actually.

" ... he thought it was a 30 odd six"

Classic line.

Id rather see Conrad up too….Though i’ve always thought of Thurston as a ‘sparkplug’……

I’m fine with either one, honestly, as long as Yunel doesn’t get hurt.

Yunel is the one guy that this team can’t afford to lose.

Thurston is a decent player, but I think he got a good rep early in his career when he was still a prospect with the Dodgers. He got labeled a field rat (the baseball version of a gym rat) and as a guy who played above his ability. The truth is, he’s just an Ok player. Conrad is too, but I think he’s a little better. Probably just as good at 2B and 3B as Thurston and has pop that Thurston doesn’t (and Thurston doesn’t have the speed to compensate).

In addition to allowing an extra roster spot...

be it for Heyward, or adding a 2nd non-roster invitee to the opening day roster like Thurston or Jones, it can also allow Brandon Hicks to start the season as SS for Gwinnett, and we can see if he’s ready to take the next step.

I really wouldn’t be too terribly shocked if we saw Hicks on our bench before September. He just need to improve his contact, the rest of his game is graaavy. He finished last year strong too.

Even if Diory was in AAA it wouldn’t necessarily have meant that Hicks couldn’t be there too. Diory has spent plenty of time at 2B.

which is where I'd expect Conrad or Thurston

I’d expect Conrad because he’s already on the 40-man. Joe Thurston would have to prove he’s remarkably better than Conrad for them to risk losing a player to put him on the roster and I don’t think that’s something he can do because he simply isn’t remarkably better.
Also, I don’t think anyone should expect that Hicks has much of any chance to make the team. He’s still a good prospect who needs to refine his approach, they’re not going to stash him on the bench and ruin his development just because he’s the next most capable SS.

i would think Hicks should spend another full season at AA, barring some change that results in a fantastic season for him (like if he goes 300/400/500 for half the season, then maybe we bump him to AAA, but otherwise Hicks still has a fair amount of work to do and like you said stashing him on the bench does nothing for him at this point.

My initial response is to start him at AA with an eye toward a mid season promotion if he plays well, but if I were the Braves I’d take a hard look at how he performs in ST. His second half was very good, he made a lot of adjustments, and he had a very good AFL. If he played well in ST I’d start him out at AAA. The late season changed combined with a good approach in ST would be enough to prove to me he should get a shot at AAA. It’s certainly a jump, but not so much that it would overwhelm him anymore than he’d probably be overwhelmed whenever he made the move up a level.

I wasn't saying that as if they were going to make the roster...

but in that I expected the middle IF of Gwinnett to be Hernandez and Thurston/Conrad, and with Hernandez’s injury, either Hicks can slide in at SS or perhaps Thurston. But the “which is where I’d expect Conrad or Thurston” was meaning at 2B for Gwinnett.

I support him not playing.

Interesting ... hadn't really considered that

And Huddy was, for this purpose, last year’s Diory then … right?

Yes. I’m not sure that they had a full 40-man when they placed him on the 60-day, but I’m sure at one point in the year they had more than 40 guys because of Hudson and Jorge Campillo and eventually Jordan Schafer being on the 60-day DL.

It's a nice little caveat

Can’t help but wonder about its origins …

Welp, there goes my fantasy baseball strategy.

Not super excited about any of our backup infielders / bench players except ?

You have to figure that O. Infante has locked up a spot on this team already and he was overworked the past couple of seasons b/c our bench players where just awful. Conrad has a couple of things working against him in that he does have opitions left, only plays one position in 2B, and had a terrible end of the season for us. J. Thurston has a couple of things working for him in that he can play 2B, SS, and 3B and you could slide him out of LF if you had to, plus he has been in big games before HOWEVER ! his could not hit water if he fell out of a f#$! boat, lol. As for Diory is was downright awful in every way and I hate to say it but I am glad that both he and Norton are more than likely gone (Diory for at least first couple of mths of the season anyway.

M. Jones, J.R. House, Blanco, and lastly other Scott Thorman type sluggers invited to camp / minors have litreally no chance to make the team outright from camp. Heyward seems as if he is going to make a name for himself and start the season in MLB as RF for ATL. Plus with Melky and Diaz able to play all three of the OF spots I doubt we keep a true OF.

So who makes the team taking Diory spot ?

Recap:
Thurston
: Lack of offense, has more experience than Conrad and has played in bigger games plus plays multiple positions and better defensive player

Conrad: better offense than Thurston but who isn’t but hasn’t played in any big games, lacks the ability to play multiple positions and defense is average to below average at best especially his range. Plus if ended 09 ’ season on a down note for the Braves and has options left.

My guess is Thurston makes the team just b/c is alittle older than Conrad, has better range and defensive skills, and can play multiple positions for us.

Go Braves.

Conrad is already on the 40-man roster. He’ll win the last bench job.

Some problems with your facts…first, Thurston being 2 and a half months older than Conrad isn’t going to be a factor at all. Next, last season at AAA, Conrad played 67 games at 2B, 20 at SS, 10 at 1B, 8 at 3B, and even 1 in RF, so he doesn’t only play 2B. The year before he had 18 games at SS and 15 games at 3B. You say Thurston can play SS, which is true, but he didn’t play there in 2009, and actually has played on 3 games there between 2004 and 2009. So if ability to play SS is a big factor, Conrad has him beat.
As bravesfan91 pointed out, Conrad is already on the 40 man. For Thurston to make the team they’d have to risk losing a player to make room on the roster for him. For that to happen Thurston would have to prove he’s remarkably better than Conrad, which he can’t do on the field, because it’s just not true, and he can’t do at the plate, because it’s just not true.

utility IF

IMO both are above average for low cost IF depth, particularly
with Infante on the bench and a fair degree of bench versatility.
That said Thurston has decent AAA numbers, is good sized and
also plays several postions and in terms of total career more of
a utility guy than Conrad.

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