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Things Read in Other Moms' Basements - Around the NL East 02.20.10

Grapefruit-winter-recipe-lg_mediumAhhh, I bet the air in various parts of Florida smells real nice this time of year, as it's time for Spring Training, as the pitchers and catchers have reported to their respective teams.  The best time of the year is almost upon us, and before we know it, it'll be warm again outside, kids will be playing catch, the fans will be in the stands eating hot dogs and drinking beer, and our favorite players will be taking the fields again.

The "big" kind of news is kind of dying down these days, but there are still a lot of fluffy stories of interesting ST occurrences, or transactions to be made still, so Things Read in Other Moms' Basements will still be going on.

But there was on notable signing made this week, and for that, the Washington Nationals win the first dibs of the weekend.  PECOTA doesn't think it, nor does pretty much every projection system out there, but I have a feeling the Nationals are going to be a better team than many are giving credit for.  Sorry, one of those "gut" things.  That's what the grapefruits are really for.  Anyway, on with the links.

Chien-Ming Wang signs with the Nationals - MLB.com
After a seemingly endless courtship, it pays off, as Chien-Ming Wang signs a deal with the Nationals for a base salary of $2M, with potential incentives to take it up to $3M total, according to reports. Mark it down, NL Comeback Player of the Year.

Star-divide

Get ready for the next generation of douchebaggery - DC Sports Bog
Anyone else remember when it was cool to wear the South Carolina baseball caps that just had "COCKS" written on it? Exactly, it was never cool, but that didn't stop legions of tools, d-bags, and posers from wearing them. Well, based on the tentative demand, it looks like the next generation of tools, d-bags, and posers have found their matching holy grail, as they can soon be wearing t-shirts and jerseys with WANG written on them. But it could be a blessing in disguise, if it actually gets people to spend money on Nationals merchandise. (Remember, the Yankees put no names on their jerseys, you're just an employee, a number)

P Russ Detweiler, out for up to three months - MLB.com
This kind of hurts the Nationals rotation, as he was slated by many to be the 4th or 5th starter. But thinking about it now, with guys like John Lannan, Jason Marquis, Chien-Ming Wang, Scott Olsen, and Stephen Strasburg in the waiting, it might not be that big of a deal.

Willy Taveras signs minor league deal with Nationals - MLB.com
He never played a game with the A's, but he was still a part of their org. for a few days. Can we count that? If so, at the age of 28, he'll be playing for his fifth organization, teetering him close to the cusp of being like Kenny Lofton (11 teams), and Milton Bradley (7 teams). He's coming off of a crummy season with the Reds, and the question is if he can be more than an outfield glove and actually hit or walk and get on base to utilize his ability to steal bases? This DC writer believes that his only asset, is as a pinch runner.

Brian Bruney loses arbitration case to Nationals - MLB.com
Instead of $1.85M, Bruney will be making $1.5M. What better way to spend your birthday than in an office with team officials and arbitratrors, and being told you're in an injury risk and not worth $350,000 more than what you asked for?

Was Matt Capps the right choice? - Federal Baseball
Our neighbors over at Federal Baseball give some thought to whether or not Matt Capps was the right choice or not. I've said it numerous times how much I opposed to notion of bringing Capps to Atlanta, stating mean things like he was the equivalent of a ROOGY, and that "closer for the Pirates is middle relief for the Braves," but given their alternatives, and necessity for late-inning relief, Capps wasn't that bad for the Nationals.

 

Cody Ross wins arbitration case, returns to torment NL East for another year - MLB.com
Did you know that Ross is a rare individual who bats right, throws left? Not too many of those in MLB. But no matter, because Cody Ross does what few players accomplish each off season, and wins his arbitration case, in which he was bickering with the club over $250,000, and will make $4.45M for the 2010 season. I figure, if anyone's going to win in arbitration, may as well be the Devil. But all things considered, I still would have traded Jeff Francoeur for Ross straight up, when the rumors existed.

Reliever Mike MacDougal signs minor league deal with Marlins - MLB.com
Former Nationals closer, here's a guy that really plays gangbusters - he doesn't throw a lot of first-pitch strikes, walks a ton of guys, but has a somewhat low ERA due to the fact that the stat is flawed and he still gets some strikeouts from time to time. ALSO, the video in the link is ironically, MacDougal getting Jeff Francoeur (Mets-era) to hit a game-ending groundball with RISP.

Marlins upset with Renyel Pinto - Fish Stripes
Apparently, the burly reliever with the big arm that likes to dissect baseballs in the dugout upset the team by not showing up to the Marlins FanFest with no explanation. craig, over at Fish Stripes makes me laugh by saying:

But whatever the case, I can't imagine there were hundreds of kids lined up in Pinto jerseys only to be reduced to tears when he didn't show. However, I could be wrong about that.

Spring Training stats - none of it actually matters - Marlins Maniac
A good article written by a guy who really favors statistics, about how ST is still mostly about observation, using your eyes, and letting the scouts do their job, and the statisticians do theirs.

 

Almost as ignorant as Jeff Francoeur's OBP comment - The Good Phight
GM Ruben Amaro tries to address fans' concern about having only one LHP in the bullpen in J.C. Romero by telling them to relax, because if guys can get outs, it doesn't matter which hand they throw with, and TGP's graphical expression of reactionary disdain.

J.C. Romero striving to make Opening Day roster - MLB.com
Here's a guy with a tremendous load of expectations on him, both on him, as well as from the organization and the fans. With Scott Eyre's retirement, Romero is the only lefty in the tentative Phillies bullpen. He's also coming off of injury, suspension, and he's also dealing with a lawsuit against the companies involved in providing him the supplements that got him suspended. His attitude is great, but the workload expected of him is going to be great, and possibly detrimental.

Love or respect? - The Good Phight
WholeCamels over at our rivals' side, put together a list of non-Phillies players he doesn't hate. And Baby Jesus fancies his preference at catcher, as he does for most of us here. But while we're being nice-nice, I'll reiterate my respeck for Shane Victorino - I've actually got a bet riding on his 2010 season's statistics against a friend of mine whom is pitting Curtis Granderson against me. So as much as I want to see the Phillies fail, I still need Victorino to win me my bet.

 

Jose Reyes is probably being stalked - Amazin' Avenue
I mean, for the fans' perspective, it must be nice to get up-to-the-second updates and reporting, but this is kind of creepy, IMO. All these beat writers standing around watching vigilantly, as Jose Reyes does things, and plugging furiously away at their likely smart phones to "report" on. I wonder if they're going to announce when Jose Reyes is having a bowel movement next? Also, our rivals think he could possibly be in the best shape of his life, too.

Jose Reyes: "I want to finish my career here" - NYPost
In baseball, those words don't mean a thing. Unless you're already on the Yankees, there is always a team that can outbid for you, yes, even the Mets. And with Jeter aging and declining, hmm......

Jose Reyes will likely bat third in the lineup - MLB.com
And Josey (Glavine's nickname for Reyes) with the trifecta of links, as Jerry Manuel tentatively thinks about plugging Reyes as the #3 guy in the batting lineup.  There were some statistics that favored Angel Pagan as a more logical leadoff guy, and Reyes' slightly superior statistics when batting with RISP, leading to this decision.  If anything at all, this kind of fills the void left by Carlos Beltran - a switch-hitter with great base-running skills, minus a bit of power.  With each week, I'm wondering if the Mets are really going to be as bad as I hope they will?

Santana: "Santana" - NYPost
(hat tip: Amazin' Avenue)
And the question is "Who is the best pitcher in the NL East?" Johan's always been pretty level-headed throughout his career, and always a "safe" guy, but this seems a little uncharacteristic coming from him. I guess I can't blame him though, what with Roy Halladay entering the division, he's simply stating that he's not taking a backseat to anybody. But that does pose an interesting question, if you could pick one, who would you take? Johan or Halladay?

Mets making late push for free agent catcher, Rod Barajas - MLB.com
Barajas is no crown jewel by any means, but after failing to acquire Bengie Molina, and facing an impending multi-headed catching monster of Josh Thole, Henry Blanco and Omir Santos, catcher is still a high priority for the Amazins. Barajas would fit the mold of veteran catching presence with enough defensive prowess to rival Brian Schneider, while having a little bit more of a bat (but barely), so he'd clearly be better than Brian McCann.

Kelvim Escobar's shoulder is already sore - NYTimes
(hat tip: Amazin' Avenue)
It's a secondary story in an article about David Wright feeling optimistic about 2010, but Kelvim Escobar's shoulder already hurting. So to those of you thinking the sky was falling because of Jair Jurrjens's early fatigue, this is how common things like this happen in Spring.

Carlos Delgado, likely to join someone mid-season - FOXSports
(hat tip: Amazin' Avenue)
Roger Clemens and Pedro Martinez were on to something, when they started this trend of old, veteran talent saving their gas until the middle of the season, and swooping in to attempt to be the heroic knight on their white horses. Okay, so neither were saviors to the Yankees and Phillies, but they still got paid a generous pro-rated amount for their partial-season cameos. So along with Pedro and possibly Smoltz, Carlos Delgado looks to be the next veteran to save his gas, and then attempt to jump onto a contender for easy money.

Rob Neyer thinks 1B platoon is bad idea - ESPN
I'm glad that I'm not the only one who thinks a platoon of Daniel Murphy and Mike Jacobs with a little bit of Fernando Tatis thrown in, is a bad idea.

Jeff Francoeur somehow deserves one of 13 available parking spaces in Port St. Lucie - NJ.com
(hat tip: Mets Police)
The pool is a little shallow, but I'm still baffled at how guys like Kelvim Escobar, Alex Cora and Jeff Francoeur "deserve" parking spaces ahead of John Maine?

Family of departed Mets prospect gets no satisfaction due to hung jury - NY Daily News
Here's how to get rid of hung juries - get rid of one juror, or add a thirteenth. Why have an even number? Courtroom aethstetics? Feng Shui? Basically the unfortunate verdict of a 2001 incident in which a high Mets prospect was killed in an automobile accident and family is suing Ford for having SUVs that flipped too easily. Also mentioned in this article is a Cuban RHP prospect working out in the Mets' complex in the Dominican Republic, and Daniel Murphy, is actually a Jacksonville landlord, and he's renting his place out to Mets hitting coach, Howard Johnson.

Citi Pizza Field to host All-Star game in 2013 - Yahoo Sports
Looks like Nationals Park is getting the shaft from the popular stigma that "new" parks tend to be favored for ASG hosting, as Citi appears to be getting it first, for 2013. Also mentioned is the likelihood of Dolphin Landshark Sun Life Ballpark getting in 2015, meaning maybe the Nationals can get it in 2017 if some team out west doesn't snag it first.

 

 

So after the first month of doing Things Read in Other Moms' Basements, I have say one observation I must put out there is that it's a prime example of the varying media markets for our respective divisional rivals.  If you haven't noticed, I'm finding a ton of material on the Mets, and not nearly as much for the Florida Marlins.  In the biggest city in the country, it's easy to find lots of writers, bloggers, and outlets for Mets information, but not so much in a city that has no fans. 

Anyway, enjoy the links, and have great weekends everyone.

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Thanks Roy for making Saturday mornings at work much easier to deal with.

LMAO @ the LOLMets fans

http://www.amazinavenue.com/2010/2/19/1317609/can-the-mets-trade-david-wright

I haven’t read the thread yet, but the title made me laugh immediately.

and read it

My head hurts from that.

Read it

That was Awesomely Bad. Was that the same Mets fan that said Schneider was as as good as McCann, because it sounds to be about the same level of brilliance.

Wow. I'm just shaking my head.

Follow that trade headline with the “Two million angry midwesterners firebomb Busch Stadium.” Also… I didn’t think about it until I saw the $30 million tag thrown out for Pujols, but does A-Rod still have the clause in his contract that if someone else signs for more money than he makes, he automatically gets a raise to $1 more than they’re making?

It wouldnt surprise me. He has to make sure his baby girl Madonna is taken care of.

ow...

my side hurt so bad i didn’t finish the article the first time through. now i did. this article can be described in one word. STOOOOOOOOOOOPID!

I’ve done nothing but make Wang jokes since he signed with the Nats. Guess that makes me a tool, d-bag, and poser. I just hope they stretch him out before he throws. Now that he’s in the NL he’ll have to hit, can’t wait until he’s due up third in an inning.

Cue the "Three Stooges" sound effects whenever he's on the bases at Turner.
Just for the record... Santana or Halladay?

We all know that the Braves very well could have the best two starters in the NL East as soon as this season if all the chips fall correctly, but for the sake of argument… between Johan and Roy, I take Roy 10 times out of 10. Ask me in 2005 and I’ll give a different answer. What do you’s guys think?

I'll go with Halladay

but my question is what we will be thinking in 2011? By that time, Strasburg will be in the league, Hanson will have another season under his belt. Jurrjens may regress, but what if he doesn’t? The Marlins Johnson is still in the NL East. Cole Hamels is still only 26 and is only a year removed from a spectacular ace season. All of these guys are younger than Santana and Holliday, both of whom are aging out of their primes and towards the record-setting, HOF case making parts of their careers. In other words, they will still be very nice to have, but they aren’t going to be as ridiculous as they have been over the past 5 or so years necessarily. The rest of these guys are either still below their primes or just getting into their primes.

This is true

As I wrote here a couple months ago, Halladay might not be quite the badass he was in Toronto. But as I’m sure most would agree, his size and durability lends to the thought he’s definitely got a slower regression pattern than ol’ Johan.

Halladay

but I went over on The Good Phight (which is a joke in itself) and I almost got my head chopped off for saying that Hanson or Josh Johnson could make a strong bid for best in the NL East in 2010. I didn’t say they were, but that they could become the “best pitcher” in 2010. And I got a bunch of smartass comments and remarks like “We gift wrapped hanson’s ass and sent him back to Atlanta last year.”

Riiiight.

Plus, who cares if you have “the best pitcher” in the pre-season. He only pitches once every 5 days. And if it counts for anything, we beat both Santana and Halladay last year. KK the Ace Slayer isn’t scared of either of those fools.

Good thing they can't heave D-batteries over the internet.

Aren’t both teams forgetting about Lincecum?

I like Good Phight okay. Federal Baseball has a cranky bunch of posters. Never go to the Marlins site. I seem to have been banned from Amazin Avenue for some reason.

See, I kinda like Amazin Avenue. The fans over there know they have a pathetic current team and super pathetic Front Office. Most of the guys at TGP are all arrogent and think “Oh, a Braves fan…they’ve never won anything!”

The Marlins site has like 8 members last I checked and I could care less about the Nats and their 65 wins lol.

Both are/were dominant

But in totally different ways. Santana has the ability to blow batters away, and pitch a complete game shutout in 115 pitches, but Roy Halladay has the ability to induce endless groundballs, and finish a game in 88 pitches. I’m all for sheer dominance via strikeouts, but I’ve always been a fan of the tenacious fearlessness of daring people to hit my pitches only to watch them ground out over and over again.

This, and the fact that Halladay is just that big prototypical pitcher who has proven his durability and health, and likely does not miss many games, I’d have to side with Halladay, back in 2005, all the way up until today as well.

Halladay

…and it’s not even close. Johan has “repeated shoulder surgeries” written all over him, and he’s not quite as good as Roy even aside from that.

Halladay

Pitched like a man possessed in the AL East, and now he gets to pitch to Tommy Hanson once every 9 batters.

I also think the Nats could be good

I mean, the rotation is interesting with Wang, and Strasburg comes up later this season. Once he is in place as an ace, Lannan is solid in the 2 spot, and Marquis, Olsen and Wang at least make for an interesting middle-back of the rotation.

The lineup isn’t that bad. Ryan Zimmerman is what, 24 this year? He is still improving, and going to be really really good. Josh Willingham is actually more comparable to Jason Bay than you think (there was an article about that on fangraphs). Nyjer Morgan was pretty impressive last season. Elijah Dukes is only 25, but if he can put it all together he is a 20-20 season waiting to happen. They still have the 40 HR power of Adam Dunn in the lineup, the type of bat that the Braves don’t have but could use.

The bullpen is the real mess. I am already on the record for saying that the closer role is over-rated, but they just have a lack of quality arms in general there. Thankfully, this is probably the easiest thing to fix in baseball.

I still dont believe the hype in Strasburg

There’s a bit of difference between Braves hitters and Utah State hitters. Sure, he pitched really well in college and has very good stuff, but he was facing teams with maybe 1 or 2 minor league players on their roster. In baseball, it’s pretty rare that you can get away with “stuff” alone. In the WAC, you can get away with a hanging 85mph slider. In the majors, that shit flies 400 feet.

This is what I'm thinking as well

A lineup of Lannan, Marquis, Olsen, Wang, and Strasburg could make things interesting. Strasburg could potentially be the only ace-caliber pitcher they have to blow away hitters, but the other four guys are all easily capable of consistently contributing 6-7 adequate to quality innings every night.

I don’t hide the fact that I’m a fan of Zimmerman – he plays tenacious defense, and his bat has improved every year, and he’s not even into his “man-power” years yet. It’s only a matter of time (when Chipper retires) that I’ll gladly declare him the best 3B in baseball. I’ve made my predictions about Wang and Dukes’ 2010s, and Dunn is pretty much a lock for his typical 40/100 season. I fully believe the Nationals have most of the necessary parts; I agree on the bullpen issue, but if they can put it together and get some cohesion there, they’re going to be a good team.

You'd take Zimmerman over Longoria?

Really? How come? (not being a smartass…just interested on your take on it)

It's close

Statistically, they are very similar, but I give the nod to Zimmerman on mostly sustainability. Longoria is no doubt a stud, but there’s still that doubt in my mind that it’s still early in his career with him, and one big injury/down season, and how he responds the following season is what I’m curious to see. Longoria came out of the gate stronger than Zimmerman did, but that does not necessarily mean that the difference of improvement after four years will be any better than Zimmerman’s.

You can juggle their stats all day long, both are excellent hitters with good average, good at getting on base, taking walks, and not striking out too egregiously. Both are arguably top third basemen in their respective leagues, and will likely remain so for quite a while, but I give the nod to Zimmerman based on sustained success, improvement, and they might have 2.5 years difference in ML experience, but they’re only a year apart in age.

Fair enough

I agree totally about them being rediculously close in talent and skill. I guess I tend to think of Longoria being better, but maybe that’s just because he tends to make the flashy plays, while Zimmerman is just so fundemental (especially on defense) that you forget about how solid of a player he is. All I know is I’d love to have either on the Bravos once Chipper is gone.

Zimmerman not flashy?

I think it was 2006 or 2007, when people here were bitching about Chipper being snubbed for the Gold Glove; believe me, it’s been worse with Washington fans watching David Wright get the glove twice over Zimmerman. My attitude towards the two of them is the exact opposite as yours – I thought Longoria was the less flashy defender, because I can recall off the top of my head about ten or so phenomenal spinning/leaping/diving catches/stops made by Zimmerman throughout the years, and many against the Braves.

maybe it’s cause I’ve seen a lot more of Longoria highlights than I have Zimmerman? Unless we’re playing them, I never pay attention to the Nats. The Rays usually get some pub since they’ve had a lot of success recently. Maybe I just need some fresh baseball to refresh my mind

I’m with you, Zim all the way.

plus, as we all know too well, the braves have had a hard time beating the lowly nats the past couple of years, so all this talk of the nats upgrading makes me a little nervous

Who knows,

If the Nats improve, maybe we’ll play better against them.

see, as i was typing that i was thinking the same thing

Not on the Nats bandwagon...

A rotation full of mediocre guys and question marks, a terrible bullpen, and a decent offense makes you the 2009 Pittsburgh Pirates. We saw how that worked out.

Plus, Dunn gives half his offense back in the field. Even if Dukes and Wang put it together, I don’t see them winning more than 75 games in 2010. Now, 2011 might be a different story, with Jordan Zimmermann back and Strasburg with a year under his belt. But 2010, no.

Also,

“Dukes and Wang” would be a great comedy team.

I'm not saying that they're going to win the division

But I think they’re going to be better than a lot of the projections have them out to be. And given the fact that they’ve lost 90+ the last three seasons, 75 wins is still an improvement.

i think so too

they gotta start somewhere. I really kinda want them to finish 4th, just so the Mets finish last.

I saw Jose Reyes the other day on ESPN walking into Mets camp…It reminded me of how much i dont like that guy.

this was what I meant.
That rotation is bad,

unless Strasburg is immediately a world-beater. Lannan and Marquis are no better than no. 3’s, Olsen is terrible, and Wang, well… who knows what Wang will do? Other than Strasburg, I’d take our top 6 starters ahead of any of those guys.

Of course, I bet the Mets wish they had a few of those guys in their rotation, so I guess it’s all about perspective.

Santana and Wright are idiots.

Here we go again, with Mets players saying they’re the team to beat.

Talk is cheap.

Yeah, I mean, obviously the team to beat is the one that won 70 games last year. It just makes sense.

it’s pretty nice too… if they had a lead in September, we all know it’s time to start buying our playoff tickets for the Bravos.

Oh BTW RoyHobbs

This is great work. It keeps me up to date on all things around the league.. I always try to check out MLBTR, but I always miss stuff (ie. I thought O-Dog was still a FA) but this really helps. Keeep up the good work.

and did you know there's another Royhobbs on the net?

He’s over at CelticsBlog and his name is Roy_Hobbs. Who/What is (a) RoyHobbs anyway?

Roy Hobbs is THE Natural

Whenever you hear of a rookie or a player that comes out of nowhere and goes crazy good, they’re called the Natural. That’s a reference to one of the greatest baseball stories of all time, The Natural, by Bernard Malamud.

The main character’s name is Roy Hobbs, and it’s basically the story of this young pitching stud who strikes out the fictional Babe Ruth in three pitches on his way to tryout for the big leagues, gets seduced by a mysterious woman who shoots him, and supposedly ends his career before it starts. Fast forward 20 years later, when a 36-year old slugger emerges out of nowhere with a homemade bat and captures the imaginations of baseball fans everywhere, and revives a sputtering team. Depending on whether you read the book or watch the movie, the ending does vary, but I highly recommend both. It is a MUST for any baseball fan.

oh man

I gotta check that out. sounds good

How can you call yourself a baseball fan and not know who Roy Hobbs is?
/banned

well im only 20, so the book was way before my time and the movie was a few years before I was born. ANd I never really got much baseball history growing up…my dad is a huge college and pro football fan and always thought baseball “was a waste of 3 hours”. I’ll check it out tho.

No excuse

The book is 48 years old, way older than CB, older than me, and a good portion of the readership here.

If there’s anyone to blame, its your school system. There was so much great baseball literature back then, that I knew a lot of English/Lit programs had baseball units, because of the wealth of great stories based on baseball. When I was a junior in high school we had a baseball unit, and I was “forced” to read The Natural, Catcher in the Rye, and Bang the Drum Slowly. Best quarter of high school of my life.

lucky

I had to read To Kill a f*cking Mockingbird and Of Mice and Men. Spark Notes saved me from failing, since I was always asleep in class when we read.

Dude

I’ve never met someone who didnt like TKAM…the movie was good too

I have to agree on that

TKAM was really good. Of Mice and Men wasn’t half bad either. Not that I like every classic I ever read (I literally threw a call to arms across the room after finishing it), but those were some of the better ones.

Ok, I’ll be honest, I didn’t realize there was a book…

The book is a major downer.

Hmm. Still wouldn’t mind checking it out. The movie is so good, and, at the end of the day, it’s still baseball.

But that's what life is

A series of down endings. All Jedi had was a bunch of muppets.

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