Displaying his on-field leadership, Mycal Jones (left) helps Julio Teheran (right) get through some trouble on the bases.
Talking Chop ranks the top-25 Braves prospects for 2011. For an introduction and an explanation of how this list was compiled, go here. Below are top prospects11 through 15. There's a lot of talent and a lot of promise in this group. In many organizations some of these guys would be top-10 prospects, but the Braves are so deep, they end up a bit down the ladder.
11. J.J. Hoover, RHSP
The Skinny: Spent most of 2010 in Myrtle Beach fighting consistency but finishing with strong numbers across the board before being awarded with a promotion to Mississippi that saw a spike in his strike out rate and walk rate.
The Good: When he is at the top of his game he has control of a solid fastball in the low 90s with a plus curve and advanced change up. Has a durable frame that could eat up innings as he moves up the ladder.
The Bad: Experienced a lot of inconsistency in 2010 appearing to lose control of his pitches some games and then dominating the opposition in others. Has very little projection left in his frame so any improvement going forward will come from tightening his mechanics rather than physical maturation.
In a perfect world: He reigns in his inconsistency issues and becomes a reliable number three or four starter at the major league level that eats up 200 innings a year.
ETA: 2012. There are a lot of guys ahead of Hoover, but his polished game could give him the chance to leapfrog someone if they have a hiccup or two.
12. Christian Bethancourt, C
The Skinny: At only 18 years old, the young catcher was a bit overmatched in his first full season at Rome.
The Good: Arm is one of the best in the game at catcher and completely shuts down opposing teams' running games. Massive target behind the plate, which pitchers love. Above average athlete for a catcher. Big, strong frame with plenty of room to add muscle. Solid natural instincts.
The Bad: Had trouble blocking balls, which took away from his overall defensive ability. Showed almost no ability to drive the ball with authority or take a walk in 2010. Swing tends to get long. Will take a while to develop.
In a perfect world: Bethancourt develops into an All-Star catcher, perhaps a better hitting version of Yadier Molina, and allows Brian McCann to shift to a less stressful defensive position.
ETA: Late 2014. He'll return to Rome to start 2011 and will need to take each level a year at a time after that.
13. Mycal Jones, 2B
The Skinny: Started horribly at the plate for Rome before going on a tear in May and getting promoted to Myrtle Beach, where he played solidly before ending the year with Mississippi.
The Good: Easily the best athlete in the system. Above average speed with good baserunning instincts. Surprisingly good pop in his bat. True leader on the field.
The Bad: Lacks some of the fundamentals of hitting, which leads to stretches of poor contact. Not as adept at getting on base as a top of the order hitter should be. Racked up a ton of errors in 2010, forcing a switch from shortstop to second base for 2011.
In a perfect world: Jones becomes an above average second baseman and top of the order hitter in the mold of Orlando Hudson.
ETA: Late 2011. He'll start the year back with Mississippi and likely earn a promotion to Gwinnett at some point. May stick with Atlanta in 2012 as a utility player, and could work his way into an everyday role the way Martin Prado did.
14. Joe Leonard, 3B
The Skinny: Drafted out of the University of Pittsburgh. After a huge year there he put together a solid professional debut between Danville and Rome.
The Good: Good bat control allows him to square up the ball and drive it to the gaps. He will stay at third base long term and and should be an asset there with an above average arm and good movement.
The Bad: Showed little patience in professional ball and most scouts don't believe he will develop adequate power for the hot corner because his swing is too level.
In a perfect world: The line drives become home runs and he shows enough power to be a solid starting third baseman in the majors.
ETA: Late 2012 or early 2013. The Braves are short on infielders in the high minors and Leonard could move quickly if he shows the polish expected from college hitters.
15. Brett Oberholtzer, LHSP
The Skinny: Lefty dominated Rome early in the year before more than holding his own with Myrtle Beach.
The Good: Strong, thick body that allows him to be a workhorse. Low 90s fastball is solid, but breaking pitches are even better, especially 12 to 6 curveball. Mentally tough, bulldog on the mound.
The Bad: Missed time this season with a leg injury, but it shouldn't have any lasting effects. Isn't overly flashy so he has to live on his intelligence and secondary pitches.
In a perfect world: Oberholtzer becomes a solid, middle of the rotation innings eater with stretches of brilliance.
ETA: Mid to late 2012. Will move up to AA in 2011 and make a nice, gradual transition to the Majors. Might break in as a lefty reliever.
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I'm excited...
about the athleticism we have coming up through the system with Myke Jones, Jordan Schafer, and Matt Young in 2011…
TBuzz - December 15, 2010
Nice timing too, as we finally have a manager willing to let guys run a bit.
king of games - December 15, 2010
Looking back to the year 2000, all offensive starters had double digit steals except the catcher and first baseman (..in the year 2000).
We pretty much quit stealing after Furcal. I guess, in more recent times, Bobby just said screw base stealing all together, since we didn’t have that super stealing threat (..in the year 2000).
bwellnjonesco - December 15, 2010
Bobby must have read “Moneyball” and concluded that stealing bases wasn’t a good strategy. (end sarcasm)
BravesFan - December 15, 2010
It’s almost as if, after Furcal, we lacked players who were capable of stealing bases efficiently.
Lennox - December 15, 2010
We could have stolen bases with McLouth
but that ain’t Bobby’s style
BravosFanatic - December 15, 2010
He tried, he got caught 6 times in 18 attempts his first half season here, then last year he stopped hitting and got dropped down to the bottom of the lineup. You don’t steal bases with the pitcher at the plate.
Lennox - December 15, 2010
You also dont steal if you arent on base.
Doghnut - December 16, 2010
I referred to a super stealing threat to mean someone that can pick 30+ bases..
bwellnjonesco - December 16, 2010
This. It’s about roster construction no Bobby Cox’s management style. If you don’t have players who can run successfully then you shouldn’t run.
cbwilk - December 15, 2010
Seems like we must have had a few at least.
king of games - December 15, 2010
Not really. Renteria and Harris both got up to 17 for us in different seasons. Blanco can run; but was usually hitting low in the lineup, Jordan Schafer hurt his wrist. Otherwise we’ve not exactly had guys who were even capable of moderate success stealing on anything more than a “pick your spot” type situation.
Lennox - December 15, 2010
Blanco I believe got 10 steals in 49 or 50 games with the Royals.I kinda wish we didn’t trade him because he could have competed for the starting job in CF.
BravosFanatic - December 15, 2010
MAC
“Bethancourt develops into an All-Star catcher, perhaps a better hitting version of Yadier Molina, and allows Brian McCann to shift to a less stressful defensive position.”
Where in the world would Mac play? I was thinking about this the other day… He’s signed through 2013, I think. If Betancourt is ready in ‘14 or we have another stud catcher and Mac’s defensive skills are declining, where would he move to? We’ll presumably have Freddie at 1st….
Fatvirus - December 15, 2010
We don't talk about this, man.
We just don’t.
DuPu - December 15, 2010
I can’t imagine McCann anywhere but behind the plate. If Bethancourt does turn out to be the guy, I always thought a good way to ease a catcher in and another out was being “personal” catcher to certain pitchers. In other words, have McCann work 3 of the pitchers, Bethancourt or whoever, work the other two. After a year or so, McCann works 2, Bethancourt works 3. Keep them both fresh, ease McCann out and Bethancourt in.
bighop - December 15, 2010
I can see that...
kind of a slow transition from starter to backup, as it seems the Red Sox have tried to do with Varitek.
Mr. Sanchez - December 15, 2010
Not a bad idea defensively.
Would be great in the AL with the DH. Bats usually decide this kind of thing tho.
Doghnut - December 16, 2010
We're talking...
like BMac is shopping for a wheelchair! Come on people, he’s still 26, and will be our C for another good 5 years+!
TBuzz - December 15, 2010
If Mac is still raking and playing adequate D behind the plate
when Bethancourt (or whoever else) is reading to be an MLB starting catcher, we’ll trade one of them, and probably the younger guy. Mac isn’t moving to another position any time soon (at least not full-time). In 6 years, maybe they consider it. But not in 3-4 years. He just has too much value as a catcher.
Jacob Peterson - December 15, 2010
Brian has the most errors in baseball as a catcher from 2008 to now with 35. Plus in that timeframe He has had the 2nd most bases stolen on him with 253.
His D isn’t atrocious. but If freeman doesn’t work out we could move Brian to 1st and Cristian to C in a couple years
BravosFanatic - December 15, 2010
Hes gotten better recently tho, iirc
Doghnut - December 16, 2010
Bethancourt will likely be the backup until Mac can either transition to first, be traded (possibly to the AL to DH), or we trade Freeman to fill other needs. There are certainly worse spots to be in than having too many good players for too few of spots.
king of games - December 15, 2010
I wouldnt be surprised to see Bet moved as a prospect in the meantime
Doghnut - December 16, 2010
Can't argue too much with any of these guys' rankings.
I might have Leonard a bit lower and Hoover a bit higher, but those are quibbles. Many of these guys would be in most teams’ top 10 prospects.
Jacob Peterson - December 15, 2010
I was the only one who didn’t think much of Leonard, as I had him 24th on my list, everyone else had him right in the middle. I actually had Hoover 10th on my list, right ahead of Myke and Bethancourt. After them I had a guy at 13 who will be in our top-10, but I’ll talk about that tomorrow.
gondeee - December 15, 2010
Tease
bighop - December 15, 2010
Beachy?
BravesFan - December 15, 2010
wow
I have Hoover tenth and Leonard 22nd
Braves24 - December 15, 2010
Hoover #12 and Leonard #32
I just have not bought into Leonard. Why should we expect this guy who was old for his league and rode a hot streak into his career to be that good?
Really, I am asking.
parish - December 15, 2010
Shut up. I like leonard.
yondaime4 - December 15, 2010
I agree. Leonard’s inability to take a walk is what leads me to believe he won’t be succesful at higher levels. He’ll turn 23 next year during the season so I don’t see him changing much in his approach.
BravesFan - December 15, 2010
Give the coaches a chance, Leonard was just drafted last year.
bwellnjonesco - December 15, 2010
I mean this year…
bwellnjonesco - December 15, 2010
http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/rankings/organization-top-10-prospects/2011/2611049.html
Interesting, Salcedo didn’t make the BA’s top 10 for the Braves.
BravesFan - December 15, 2010
Haha, they have Nate Mclouth settled into LF for 2014. How dumb does a person have to be to expect the Braves to pick up Nate’s 10M 2012 option? I can’t believe they charge for that crap..
bwellnjonesco - December 15, 2010
Apparently, they have the Braves signing him to a long term deal. All kidding aside, I do hope he rebounds this year to a .750 – .800 OPS.
BravesFan - December 15, 2010
Well, that part is obviously free.
You get what you pay for.
(Except here, of course.)
parish - December 15, 2010
So if I pay them money, they won’t say that Mclouth is their projected 2014 Braves starting LF?
I’m just kidding..I just don’t like online subscription services because you can find similar information in other places for free.
bwellnjonesco - December 15, 2010
Glares at ESPN INsider
king of games - December 15, 2010
there is only one reason to get ESPN insider, NFL draft information, I have yet to find another use for it.
Swo12bv - December 15, 2010
Possibly less, unless you just f'n love Mel Kiper
-http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com
-http://www.walterfootball.com
IMO, one guy’s “expert analysis” does not outweigh the multiple opinions of dedicated people that run similiar sites as listed above (and TC, of course)..
bwellnjonesco - December 16, 2010
they give a good breakdown of each player eligible for draft, I don’t care much for Kiper or McShay’s, but the background on each player is nice to have
I also don’t have Insider, i use a friends if i really need it.
Swo12bv - December 16, 2010
Heaven forbid they try to make money....
Doghnut - December 16, 2010
Teasing the general public with a strategic sample from an artlcle and then redirecting said public to a subsciption requirement page just doesn’t float my boat.
These sites that charge still bring in ad revenue + other revenues, but want to get every last penny out of the clientele that go to their site because they don’t know how to legitametly surf the net to find the same information, introduced by a different person, for free. Look at John Sickels, and TC, for reasonable ways to make money, such as selling prospect books.
bwellnjonesco - December 16, 2010
You dont understand ad revenue
Internet ad revenue is negligible for everyone but the biggest internet sites. ESPN.com doesnt even make money — it loses money but is covered by the huge amounts ESPN makes other places.
Just ask Gondeee — he isnt making a fortune running TC and he has a very loyal and dedicated base (hell we even buy tshirts and novels here).
Internet ad revenue makes fractions of pennies compared to ads that run in newspapers, which in turn make pennies compared to what runs on television. You dont run a competent organization with a full staff of paid writers by surviving on internet ad revenue.
Dont believe me? Just look at the NYTimes (one of the bigger news sites out there):
NYTimes.com accounts for roughly 83% of users (ignoring people who use the site and also subscribe to the paper) but only accounts for 10-11% of ad revenue.
If it’s printed on paper, people expect to pay for it. If it’s on a computer screen, they don’t. It doesn’t make sense. I don’t blame any website for charging for content.
Source
Doghnut - December 16, 2010
Lesson 1: Don’t mention “ad revenue” in any argument with a marketing major.
Lesson 2: Eliminate personal boundries and ask Gondeee about his money situation, even though I know he’s not doing TC to satisfy his cash cravings. (I’m not gonna do this Martin)
Lesson 3..wait: WTF does NYT have to do with what I’m talking about? I know I mentioned ad revenue, along with “other revenues”, but I honestly didn’t mean to start any arguments about the impact of online ad revenue. My argument is that these subscription sites are ripoffs due to the enormous wealth of similiar information available for FREE from other sources online. This is the same reason why I wouldn’t spend $5 bucks on a magazine, or any media items “printed on paper” (why most printed media sources are struggling).
God’s Speed to those in quest of money, but don’t try to take advantage of people unaware of the availability of substitutional products by charging to view material that a thousand other free articles speak synonymously on. I’d guess you’d be cool with ESPN (TV Channel) charging extra to watch PTI, or certain other programs, too?
bwellnjonesco - December 16, 2010
Yes I would (about ESPN)
If people are willing to pay, I say go for it.
I just don’t understand how they are “taking advantage” of people. You mean to tell me that you honestly believe that people who pay for BA have no clue that other sites exist? That makes no sense. You think people looking for minor league baseball coverage stumble across BA, pay for a subscription and then never bother looking elsewhere to discover there are free sites? Yeah, ok.
The NYT was simply an example of how ad revenue doesn’t generate enough income to run a competent organization unless that organization is run by volunteers. I used them because they have published stats. I fail to see how it is irrelevant.
I have no idea what you mean by Lesson 2.
Lesson 1 didnt seem to be a problem :)
BA has created a product. They aren’t taking advantage of people by trying to sell it.
(On a sidenote: I didn’t mean to sound like I was picking a fight with you. I’m sorry if I sounded rude. I just don’t understand why people think original content should be free just because it’s on the internet.)
Doghnut - December 16, 2010
I just get pissy when I’m looking at a article, hit “see more” and get sent to a subscription page, that’s all. I probably shouldn’t of said “taking advantage of people”, but I just feel like they hype their writers up so much (sometimes rightfully so) and then charge to see their content, while others are out there who are just as knowledgable. I still find sites that I can’t believe I’ve missed before and I’m sure some people do sign up for BA without knowing much about other sites (I was one). If I ask all the baseball fanatics at my office about Fangraphs, most wouldn’t have an idea of what I was talking about (they are older though).
But, I do get the point. If there is a demand for a service, they have a duty to shareholders to profit as much as possible.
Sidenote: It’s all cool and thanks for saying that. I’m a firm believer in adamently expressing my own belief, especially when I’m really bored at work..
bwellnjonesco - December 16, 2010
Haha
I was bored at home. I work at a school and it was closed today for weather :)
Doghnut - December 16, 2010
BTW
Prospect books? Again, ask Gondeee. I bet the TC prospect book didnt even pay for his car’s gas bill for the year…
Doghnut - December 16, 2010
I’d guess it didn’t even pay to fill up a tank, but I honestly don’t know.
cbwilk - December 16, 2010
Gondeee might of made $0 on the book. IDK how SBNation works or pays their authors, nor do I care.
I would assume that with certain sites offering such products annually, they must be raking in something.
bwellnjonesco - December 16, 2010
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