
It's funny, during the baseball season, I tend to not really do much on my computers except check mail, and occasional freelance work. When it comes to my responsibilities at TC, it was mostly doing stuff behind the scenes banning everyone who pisses me off administrative stuff, randomly commenting on things if I couldn't sleep, and putting together my column for the weekend. Two weeks removed from the season, and now I'm writing on a nightly basis, doing player reviews, analyzing stats, concepting ideas for the next annual - a whole heck of a lot more work than I'd been doing while the season was going on! But it's fun, productive, and fulfilling things I feel that I'm taking part of, and I hope that everyone's enjoying my contributions.
Welcome back to another week of Things Read in Other Moms' Basements. We're taking a bit of a different approach this week, and for the next few weeks. Since those of us teams that aren't playing ball right now, many are decompressing, resting, getting surgeries, or basically trying to get as much baseball out of their system until around mid-December. And since all these ballplayers need time to get ITBSOHL, the news, links and stories front might be a little dry in the interim. So, as suggested by gondeee, instead of links, we're going take a glimpse at the positional breakdowns of our rivals, looking forward to next year. Starting first with, the potential outfields of the 2011 National League East.
The following lists are subjective, and theoretical. Forgive me if I sound completely ignorant and stupid in regards to rosterbating other teams' outfields, and doing it poorly.


Left Field: Logan Morrison (22). Yes, I think he’s going to supplant Chris Coghlan out of LF, and have him moved to perhaps 3B. His .283/.390/.447 hitting, 29 XBH in 244 ABs is too good to not include into the lineup. Coghlan is vastly the better fielder (-3.0 UZR/150 vs. -13.9), but Morrison’s bat will win this battle. With no more Cantu, it’s either Cogs or Bonifacio, and I think a begrudging move is going to have to be made to accommodate.
Center Field: Cameron Maybin (23). The elder of the Marlins outfield, Maybin is more glove than he is bat. .234/.302/.361 in 2010, as well as being an all-or-nothing guy versus Atlanta: .235 AVG, 2 HR, 11 K. Defensively, he had a down year in CF, posting a -4.4, but that considered, he’s still an overall +5.6 UZR/150 in center throughout his career.
Right Field: Mike Stanton (20). All-or-nothing, all the time, so far. .259/.326/.507 with a 34% K%, and whiffing 123 times. But he also went yard 22 times, all in 359 ABs. 40% of his ABs ended in K or Run(s). Same story versus the Braves: .163 AVG, 1 HR, 19 K. And surprisingly, the leviathan was pretty graceful out in RF, showing an average arm, decent range, and a surprising +10.6 UZR/150.
*Goes without saying that this is the youngest outfield of them all.
Reserves: Brett Carroll (RF) will likely be used solely as a defensive replacement, since the 27-year old’s bat is nowhere as good as his glove is (.205 career AVG vs. career +31.6 (All spots ++) UZR/150). Scott Cousins (25) will likely be used as a backup to play CF or RF to spell Maybin and Stanton from time to time. Bryan Peterson (24) got a cup of coffee to play the corners in September, and is borderline to make the team for depth, or go back to AAA-New Orleans to start 2011.
Maybes: Looking at the AA-Jacksonville roster, are two outfielders that caught my attention. The 28-year old Lee Mitchell obliterated AA with a line of .310/.374/.525, in 242 ABs, so I’m curious to why he was kept in AA. And then there is Brandon Tripp (25), who also had a very strong, full season of AA ball, hitting .289/.369/.449 with 8 HR, 45 XBH in 394 ABs. I’m having to believe that both were blocked by Cousins and Peterson, and that there had to have been a noticeable talent/ceiling gap to have both youngsters leapfrog over the elders, but that’s my unfamiliarity with the Marlins organization.

Left Field: It’s hard to predict if the Nationals are going to continue rebuilding, or if they’re going to spend money. If they’re going to spend, then they’ll retain Josh Willingham, whom I’ve heard is seeking out at least three years, buying out his third and fourth arb years in the process. He was having a decent year, hitting .268/.389/.459 with 16 rally killers, before a knee injury shelved him in early August. The Braves limited him to .192 hitting, but he did go yard twice in the process. Defensively, he’s never been known for his glove or his arm, and had a weak -6.8 UZR/150 on the year. If the Nationals can’t re-sign Willingham, they’ll likely put the team-controlled, 26-year old Roger Bernadina is an option in LF. The native of Curacao got plenty of playing time in 2010 after Willingham went down, and although he was mediocre with the bat (.246/.307/.384), he swiped 16 bags, and posted a +13.3 UZR/150 from left.
Center Field: Nyjer Morgan. The 30-year old street fighter had a memorable 2010, but not necessarily with the bat. Or glove, for that matter. But anyway, he hit .253/.319/.314, which isn’t that good for a guy with absolutely no power anyway. When he did get on base, he stole 34 bases, but also was caught a Rickey Henderson-like 17 times to lead the league. He was a terror against the Braves though, hitting .305, driving in 3 RIBz, and stealing five. Defensively, he’s got a poor arm, but more than enough foot speed to cover a lot of ground, garnering him a respectable +4.2 UZR/150 on the year. Roger Bernadina is a natural center fielder, and had plenty of time in CF during Morgan's suspension, and if the team is done with Morgan's issues and slumping offense, then Bernadina could be a candidate to start in center as well.
Right Field: Justin Maxwell. He was awful at the major league level last year, hitting an abysmal .144 with 43 whiffs in 104 ABs, but the 26-year old was OPSing .829 in AAA, likely leading them to believe that he’s a few adjustments from being serviceable at the Major League level. Decent arm, good range, +13.3 UZR/150 in 2010. But if the team isn't sold on Maxwell's bat, than once again, Roger Bernadina slots into RF as well.
Reserves: The bench likely starts with Roger Bernadina and/or Justin Maxwell, depending on which is the odd-man out, if they re-sign Willingham, but there is a lack of depth overall. Willie Harris is a free agent, and Mike Morse is arbitration eligible for the first time, and both are question marks on whether or not they’ll return, but it really is all dependent on how willing the team is to spend money - the Nationals are budgeted at under $30M dedicated for 2011, but have a boatload of players arb-eligible, with many of them likely to be non-tendered, but it's very likely the Nats target one of the major free agents (Werth, Crawford) in the off-season, as well as the OPS guy lottery. The Nationals will probably be looking for some depth as well this off-season. If they’re relying on the minor leagues, look for names such as Leonard Davis (27YO, AAA), Boomer Whiting (27YO, AAA), and Jesus Valdez (26, AA) in that order. I’m basing such hypothesis on age, MiLB time spent, and a not completely abysmal performance at that level, so any rival team fans want to chime in, more than welcome to.
Longshot: I hate to say it, but if the progression continues on its mythical levels, and the Nationals are well out of it in September, I wouldn’t be the absolute least bit surprised if the circus comes to D.C., and Bryce Harper is let out of the bag to get a sip of coffee. If you didn’t know, he’s being used as an outfielder since instructional league, and the AFL.

Left Field: Jason Bay. His first year in New York was a clear flop, hitting .259/.347/.402 with 6 dingerz and 47 RIBz, before being knocked out of the season with a concussion on August 14th. Honestly, I wouldn’t take too much into one bad year, because Carlos Beltran was vastly underwhelming in his first year in New York before exploding afterward, and it would be good for Bay to follow suite, because the real paychecks start in 2011 ($18M/year). He hit .316 off Atlanta in 2010, but only 1 XBH to go with five mostly harmless singles. Defensively, he was not that great (-3.6 UZR/150), but he’s typically not been known for his defense (career UZR/150 -8.0)
Center Field: Carlos Beltran. Barring any more surprise surgeries or physical setbacks, Beltran is going to be starting in CF for the Mets in his contract year. At 33-years old, he still considerable for at least one more 3-4 year deal, and I fully expect that he’s going to do his best to reenact the 2004 playoffs again. Returning from injury clearly affected his entire game, and I fully expect a huge improvement, and possible Comeback Player of the Year candidacy, if all goes to plan. His .255/.341/.427 is irrelevant to me as is his -8.6 UZR/150 from a guy who gutted it out on a bad knee and legs last year.
Right Field: Despite the fact that he’ll likely be expecting a nice raise for the 2010 season he had, I have to imagine that despite the new GM/management, the Mets are going to pick up Angel Pagan’s third arb year. He was money for the Mets all year, hitting .290/.340/.425, from all the outfield positions at some point, with 11 HR, 69 RIBz, and 37 steals to boot. Fortunately, the Braves kept him in check, limiting him to a .283 average, but he whiffed 13 times. Defensively, he was great from all OF spots, posting a 14.7 UZR/150 overall in 2010. If by chance the Mets fail to retain Pagan, the opening nod might go to the 27-year old Chris Carter, who is still under team control, and had an okay ’10, hitting .263/.317/.389, while posting a +14.7 UZR/150 in a small sample in RF. But if Pagan stays, Carter’s likely the first guy on the bench, barring any acquisitions.
Reserves: The bench is going to likely have a lot of guys from the minors, and probably some acquisitions somewhere along the line. But I’m envisioning now, 31-year old Jesus Feliciano (OF), who is more glove than bat, based on ’10 numbers. 27-year old Jason Pridie (LF, RF) and maybe 24-year old Lucas Duda (LF). Definitely expecting some spring training pickups for more depth.
Names to maybe see: I know the Mets are high on Fernando Martinez (LF), but considering the 22 year old skipped AA altogether, and went to AAA-Buffalo, and had a cup of coffee in September (.167 BA in 18AB), a full year of AAA could do him some good, with maybe another September call-up. A longshot would be Brahiam Maldonado (LF), who finished out at AA-Binghamton OPSing .908 with 14 HR in 250 ABs.

Left Field: Raul Ibanez. The 38-year old will make $12M in the process, but he’ll likely do his best to play out of his mind going into free agency, in order to squeeze one last paycheck out of his career. On offense, Ibanez had an okay year, batting .275/.349/.444 in the process. Walks are up (68), but RIBz (83) and especially HRs way down (16 from 34). Steroids, perhaps? And importantly, he did more damage to the Braves (6 2B, HR, 14RBI, .284AVG) than he did to anyone else in the NL East. Defensively, the old Ibanez that we were familiar with from Lookout Landing’s hilarious GIF montage, had apparently returned, proving that 2009 was a mirage. His arm rating tanked, range dropped, and his UZR and UZR/150 are back to his Mariners days (-6.9, -8.4). Good for us, I guess?
Center Field: Shane Victorino. The Flyin’ Hawaiian is probably the only guaranteed lock on the Phillies, what with age, injury, and impending free agency for his counterparts, but no worries here, because the speedy 30-year old is in the second year of a three-year deal which sees him making $7.5M for 2011. He found a taste for power in 2010, batting a career high 18 rally killers, and driving in a career high 69 RIBz, but the bigger swings led to a drop in batting average, OBP and highest K% as a Philly. But he was still a pest on the basepaths, stealing 34 bags and only getting caught six times. Best part is, he was inept against the Braves, hitting a woeful .141 with 16 Ks on the season series. Defensively, he’s solid, with great range, good arm, and posting UZR/150 of +3.3. He also won me a bet in 2010, by being better than Curtis Granderson, offensively.
Right Field: This is the most interesting story for the Phillies this off-season. Since signing Ryan Howard to his mega-deal, the popular notion is that the Phillies aren’t going to have the cash necessary to retain Jayson Werth, who will undoubtedly be seeking a long-term deal. So much, that I’m already discounting him to be on the Phillies next year. Here’s where it gets interesting; the popular belief is that with Werth’s departure, the door is open for 23-year old Domonic Brown who was called up earlier this year. Despite his destruction of a combination of AA and AAA, hitting .327/.391/.589 in 343 ABs, his major league sample wasn’t nearly as glowing: .210/.257/.355 in 62 ABs. Although it stands a good chance that Brown will be let loose in 2011, I wouldn’t be surprised if Spring Training turns into an audition for right, between Brown, and the 27-year old John Mayberry, Jr. The Stanford grad has more or less nothing left to prove in the minor leagues, and in his own major league stint in ’10, hit .333/.385/.833 in a tiny 13 PAs. But 2010 was not his first stint, and although he didn’t dazzle in 2009, much like David Justice, a quick taste is sometimes enough to make one realize what one need to do in order to stick for good the next time around.
Reserves: Ross Gload AKA Mr. WARG (LF, RF) – the only reason he comes first on this list is because he is actually signed through 2011. Primarily a 1B backup, he actually fielded 43.2 innings in RF in 2010, at a UZR/150 of -7.1. It’s safe to assume he will see very little duty in the outfield in 2011. Ben Francisco can play both LF and RF, but he also enters his first year of arbitration, meaning he won’t be making league minimum anymore. But the Phillies don’t seem to fear monetary limits, so there’s a chance that he re-signs with the team. Sort of below-average arm, a +19.5 in LF, but a -39.4 in RF meaning he’ll likely be the guy to fill in for Raul Ibanez, if he’s retained. Otherwise, put John Mayberry, Jr. here on the bench, but there’s a good chance the Phillies pick up some player(s) to add some depth here.
Longshots: Rich Thompson, who started 2010 in AA, but was promoted to AAA-Lehigh Valley, where he finished out the season. Not a lot of power, but decent average and OBP (.284/.339/.382), and he might get a cup of coffee if the injury bug hits.
And there we have a preview of what we might expect to see in our rivals' outfields next season. All comments welcome, especially those of you fans of our rivals who lurk over here, I'd love to hear from you guys as well. Even the Phillies fans, as long as you're not here to troll us.
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If only the Braves had had that level of flop in LF this year…. I’d take that line over any of our outfielders not named Heyward.
redwards95 - October 23, 2010
LOL agreeed
man we couldnt do anything out in LEFT! or in center lol
radamez85 - October 23, 2010
That doesn’t make sense to me. Bay piled up those #s in 401 ABs. Diaz posted .250/.302/.438/.739 (OPS) with 7 HRs and 31 RBI in 224 ABs. Bay’s OPS was .749. Bay was paid 8.625M this year with three gaurenteed years of 16M to follow. Diaz was paid 2.5M. I don’t get the the wish for ‘that level of flop’ considering the comparison and the Braves have an open market to decide whether to keep or let Diaz go. Maybe instead of platooning all season the Braves should have been playing Diaz every day? Of course on the flip side Bay probably registers better #s in Atl than NY because of less media harassment and smaller park.
CharlotteChop - October 24, 2010
Boy it would be nice if Fredi’s knowledge of the Marlins’ farm system could allow the Braves to harvest one of their surplus outfielders.
carpengui - October 23, 2010
Just dangle some greens in front of Loria's face and we cold buy their entire farm :D
BravePhin - October 23, 2010
"Now starting in LF for Washington...
Roger Bernandina. And in CF, it’s Roger Bernandina. In RF, it’s once again Roger Bernandina. This guy can do it all, folks!"
Mr. Sanchez - October 23, 2010
Washington’s OF is just a wasteland. Washington could be mediocre next year, or they could be god awful. I haven’t followed what they are doing with Dunn (at 1B — he’ll never play OF again, IMHO) or Willingham.
Morgan is an OBP catastrophe, and when he does get on base, he runs the team out of innings. A “success” rate that has a runner getting thrown out 1/3 of the time is actually a negative for a team — SB success break-even starts at about 70 – 75%, as I recall. It depends on the situation, whether it’s 3B, 2B, etc., but overall if you get thrown out 25% of the time, you are making no headway. Morgan is costing Washington runs.
Washington got rid of Dukes, who admittedly was a problem. I think they may have been better off putting him on the DL for an extended period, getting him some mental health counseling, sending him to the minors for a while, and seeing if that would have helped him out.
That said, they’ll have to look to non-tendered players for some plug-ins.
FrediGonzalez - October 25, 2010
I think the Nats jumped the gun on Dukes
But it’s not all Dukes’ fault, since his reputation seemed to proceed himself, and much like Yunel Escobar, the locker room seemed happier with Dukes gone. But given the events of Dukes’ life going into the 2010 season, I made some bold predictions that he was preparing for a breakout season; it’s presumptuous to say, but so often you hear of pro-athletes who suffer some sort of loss, and completely drives them to success, and I felt Dukes was cut before he could get his shot.
In hindsight, it could’ve been the dismissal, or maybe the fact that he’s just not that good in reality that led him to indy-ball in 2010, but I kinda agree with you, if there was just some way to straighten him out in the head, I genuinely thought there was a productive baseball player yet to be unleashed.
royhobbs - October 25, 2010
Am I the only one that sees the Nats try to continue their big spending attempts...
and push for Crawford or Werth? Resign Dunn for 1B, and they’ve got a solid lineup when the pitching gets healthy with OBP and Zim on the IF corners, Espinosa and Desmond up the middle, some combo of Pudge, Ramos, and Flores (I think it was Flores that they liked before he was lost for last year to injury) at C, and then an OF of Willingham, Bernandina, and Crawford or Werth.
Think about going…
Crawford
Desmond
Zimmerman
Dunn
Willingham
Bernandina
C
Espinosa
Or slide Espinosa up into the 1 or 2 spot and Werth 5th/6th.
Mr. Sanchez - October 25, 2010
They'll be aggressive with somebody...
…but I doubt they get them. I could see them going after Cliff Lee as well as Crawford.
cavebird - October 25, 2010
Not really
I said that it’s likely the Nats are going to go after one of Crawford or Werth, and as long as they’re willing to outbid, they stand a very good chance of getting Lee. He’ll go anywhere, as long as he’s getting paid.
royhobbs - October 25, 2010
For some reason, I'm thinking Werth is like Lee...
and highest bidder only. If they added both, that would be a sick set up for 2012 if Stras gets 100% and the rest of their kids keep developing.
Mr. Sanchez - October 25, 2010
not really
Victorino: .259/.327/.429 in 147 games
Granderson : .247/.324/.468 in 136 games
Braves24 - October 23, 2010
Granderson OPS+: 109 in 136 games, 5.5M in 2010, 8.25M in 2011. 2.5 offensive WAR.
Victorino OPS: 102 in 147 games, 5.0 M in 2010, 7.5M in 2011. 2.4 offensive WAR in slightly more games.
If you add in defensive WAR (Victorino has 1.4, Granderson -0.;4), Victorino was the better player in 2010, and he was cheaper.
Granderson has been the better player historically, but it looks like he’s pretty clearly in decline from his 26/27 year old time frame. The numbers at Baseball Reference are pretty frightening, actually. If I’m the Yankees, I’m not loving that contract much. They can afford it though, I suppose. For the decline, just look at the offensive WAR numbers. Then, consider the defensive and overall WAR. I am not really familiar with Granderson, but I’m guessing he’s losing his speed — look at the 2B, 3B numbers and the SB. The defensive decline might be resulting from his range deteriorating.
This is all a 5 minute SWAG (scientific wild-ass guess), but it doesn’t look good for Granderson as he stares at his third decade.
FrediGonzalez - October 25, 2010
Lazy journalism. Break out that rolodex and get cracking.
J-Freak - October 23, 2010
Boom.
cbwilk - October 23, 2010
“Moderator used ‘BAN’ — it’s super-effective!”
carpengui - October 23, 2010
+1
SnipeShot - October 24, 2010
You know, the Marlins....
……really do have a solid lineup.
Coghlan
Morrison
Hanley
Uggla
Stanton
Sanchez
Maybin
Whoever they have playing catcher….
To be honest, that does scare me a bit. I really hope Sanabia isn’t for real, because with that lineup an a staff of Johnson, Nolasco, Sanchez, Volstad, Sanabia……that could be dangerous. Their pen and defense definitely need some work though, and I do think Morrison isn’t going to keep up his 2010 play.
Undocorkscrew - October 23, 2010
The lineup is solid, but not super-great.
Stanton is an all or nothing type until he can control the strikeouts. Coghlan has little to no power. Morrison is still a bit of a question mark. Maybin, unless it finally clicks for him, is just an automatic out, and well, the catcher is unknown. With their staff, however, they could be dangerous even without a great lineup.
cavebird - October 25, 2010
There’s a lot to like about the Marlins. They could be a dark horse next year — get a couple of career years from players combined with Stanton/Ramirez and the pitching.
FrediGonzalez - October 25, 2010
Brownnose alert!
Keep up the good work here. Your contributions to the site are great.
UMDBHIK - October 23, 2010
Marlins: Lee Mitchell is an organizational guy. He’s been in AA for about 5 years now. Brandon Tripp is a guy who always plays above his ability, so he gets overlooked. He’s a lot like Willie Cabrera.
Natinals: Boomer Whiting seems like a guy who could get some playing time. He’s a little, fast leadoff centerfielder who doesn’t slug at all but he knows how to play small ball and always seems to get people in the organization to fall in love with him.
Phillies: Rich Thompson is a AAA guy and he’s probably going to be a FA again. Not any guarantee he’ll even be in the organization.
cbwilk - October 23, 2010
Lee Mitchell?
the former Georgia 3B? Not a bad player, I’d assume similar to our Timmons, with maybe a little more power and a little less defensively.
Mr. Sanchez - October 23, 2010
He’s not a bad player. Just a guy who isn’t really Major League caliber.
cbwilk - October 23, 2010
That's what I recall from him in college...
he was good, but a step below Keppinger. And Keppinger has been a bench guy, injury replacement level guy.
Mr. Sanchez - October 23, 2010
I am not, nor will I ever be, sold on Shane Victorino. Of his 18 HRs, 13 were at home, and even two of his other five were in bandboxes (Houston, NYY). To me, he’s a fourth outfielder at best. He’d be fighting for a roster spot on any other team and his All-Star selection in 2009 was nothing short of a joke. But as long as he playing, I hope he continues to suck against Atlanta.
Not to mention he’s got one ugly mug…damn rectumface.
/endrant
TonyAlmeyda - October 23, 2010
Value is...
He flat out catches EVERYTHING.
Audi - October 23, 2010
+1
he is one hell of a defender, other than that? not much
Kobe:The Legend - October 23, 2010
His WAR was 3.6 last year. That translates (@ $4M per WAR) to a value of $14.4M to a team. He may be an annoying little douchebag, but he’s not a backup and he’s not worthless. He’d have been a hell of a lot better than some of the crap we ran out in the outfield last year.
Not liking him shouldn’t cloud the ability to see the player.
FrediGonzalez - October 25, 2010
See, to me, he’s been a 3-win player four years running. But you’re right, there are probably a number of teams with 5 superior outfielders who’d have no use for him on their roster.
PhillyFriar - October 24, 2010
Admittedly
I kind of like Shane Victorino. It used to be a deep hatred for the guy, because he would always play so well against Atlanta in prior years, but I realized that I really did respect just how hard he played against us. I didn’t care about him causing McCann to have a concussion from a home-plate collision, and you might not have a high opinion on his production, but as far as outfielders go, his production on offense and defense would have been good enough to supplant both LF and CF at the same time on the Braves last year, and I’d have given a kidney to get that kind of production.
royhobbs - October 24, 2010
Didn’t see your comment till after I replied (reading top to bottom this AM). +1.
FrediGonzalez - October 25, 2010
Gotta love those high school fields in Philly!
Come on Giants…
Scott Coleman - October 23, 2010 via mobile
GIANTS!!!!!
Fuck you Philly! Go spend another $100M and try again next year!
Scott Coleman - October 23, 2010 via mobile
woooooooooooo
came on to see if anyone else was here to talk about the phillies loss
bpk228480 - October 23, 2010
THIS
Phuck the Phils. Phils will finish in third place or worst after next year, I’ll bet on it.
Braves24 - October 23, 2010 via mobile
Best of luck with that wager, sir.
PhillyFriar - October 24, 2010
Really?
Don’t you have something better to be doing, such as throwing up on 8-year old girls?
frozendesert - October 24, 2010
Burn.
I could respond with, “Don’t you have something better to be doing, such as not showing up to a playoff game?”… but that would be stereotyping you, which is unfair. It’d be nice to extend me the same courtesy, but hey, you gotta do what you gotta do, I guess.
PhillyFriar - October 24, 2010
win
RichmondBraves - October 24, 2010
This is a good post......aside from the first sentence
Can’t we all just get along?
a hooter's baby - October 24, 2010
Have you forgotten the Mets and Expos
still play in the NL East?
I think 2nd place is about right for them next year. About 2 games back of the Braves after the Braves receive permission from the Commish’s office to clone Jason Heyward 3 times this offseason.
UMDBHIK - October 24, 2010
It may be cheaper to just sign someone uncloned, lol
The Expos were better when they were still the Expos. I miss that. Washington deserves a baseball team like they deserve an award for the lowest crime rate.
BravePhin - October 24, 2010
“after next year”, so you mean after 2011, correct?
In 2012, I still don’t see the Mets or Nats getting right. The Fish, maybe, but their payroll restrictions make it a real crapshoot. In 2011 and 2012, I think the Braves take at least one NL East title.
The Phillies keep getting older, and they are declining, pretty obviously. Whether they fall back enough to the pack for one of “Mets/Nats/Fish” to catch them is a tough question.
The Mets are interesting, but I don’t know what to make of them. Absent injuries last year, they could start a pretty good team. The problem is…the injuries. Davis, Reyes, Wright, Bay, Beltran, and Pagan are pretty formidable. 2B and C are black holes, although Thole could fix catcher.
The Met’s pitching doesn’t look awful — the ERA+ on their likely starting 5 is pretty good. The pen is a wreck, though. Takahashi came in for K-Rod, but I can’t see him in that role for the year, plus I sort of pencil him in as a starter.
The Nats are a few years away, but making good strides. They need a 1B (Dunn or Other), an OF, and a boatload of pitching.
The Fish…interesting, but their payroll dumps make it hard to see into the future. I like them next year, but 2012, I just don’t know.
With what the Phillies have (and all the injuries they suffered through last year and still had the best record in baseball), it’s hard for me to see them dropping all the way to third in just 2 years, especially with the payrolls they can make. Howard’s contract will kill them, though. He’s a good player, but that contract is a millstone that they will regret.
FrediGonzalez - October 25, 2010
give werth 160 millions for 6 years
joshant - October 23, 2010
To stay away from here.
Sam Jethroe - October 24, 2010
Sad thing is
I bet this World Series’ television ratings are going to stink. The media wanted, nay, DEMANDED a Phillies vs. Yankees rematch, but instead they’re getting an oddball Rangers vs. Giants contest. Much like the NBA Finals where the Spurs vs. Pistons, and the Lakers vs. Magic were both entertaining series, it reflected poorly on the ratings, because the media DEMANDED a Kobe vs. LeBron Finals.
royhobbs - October 24, 2010
I dont think the ratings for the Pistons/Spurs series sucked because the media wanted them to...
I think they sucked because no one wanted to watch that shite. Media coverage is much more driven by ratings than the other way around. There are a HELL of a lot more people who care about the Yanks and Phillies than the Giants and Rangers.
Doghnut - October 24, 2010
And that's the problem.
New York and the whole northeast have much more condensed populations and are more of a baseball area. When Yankees fans say, hey, we deserve a higher payroll, we make the money, we have more fans, I have always wanted to come up with a better argument than to make things fair we would just have to kill half the Yankees fans, that would even things out; but I don’t really have a better one.
It is a shame, too, as the Rangers-Giants ought to be a great series. After the beatdown the Rangers put on the Yankees, it is hard to argue that the Yankees were the best team in the AL and deserved to go to the series. (The Rays might still have an argument there, however.).
cavebird - October 25, 2010
I’m sure they will stink, which is a damn shame, because from a baseball perspective it should be a really entertaining series.
PhillyFriar - October 24, 2010
This.
Anyone that wasn’t a Philly/Yankees fan mostly wanted to see one or both of Texas and San Fran in the WS. The fact of it is, a lot of people are Philly and New York fans.
And this should be one of the more interesting World Series in recent memory, considering there’s 104 seasons of waiting combined here.
SnipeShot - October 24, 2010
The Media should have pitched better
BravePhin - October 24, 2010
I blame it on
all the beer, cheeseburgers, and Ho Hos that John Kruk consumes on a daily basis.
UMDBHIK - October 24, 2010
lmao!
It made me think of Rex Ryan.
BravePhin - October 24, 2010
I read...
That the Phillies aren’t going to the World Series after all.
-C
cthabeerman - October 23, 2010
BUT
I READ THAT THEY WERE AN AUTOMATIC LOCK TO GET TO THE WS ONCE EVERYONE GOT HEALTHY AND THEY ACQUIRED OSWALT. lmao. I used to like ESPN baseball, but now all of them can kiss my ass
Braves24 - October 23, 2010 via mobile
But...but...
THE PHILEEEZ IS THA BESTESTS!!!
There hasn’t been an NL team since the WWII-era Cards to win 3 straight pennants. Not the ’50’s Dodgers, the ’60’s Cards, the Big Red Machine and not us in the ’90’s. This sorry bunch of bastards did not deserve to earn that distinction.
The Universe has spoken.
Sam Jethroe - October 24, 2010
Hey Giants, Brian McCann
will be waiting on his gift
a hooter's baby - October 23, 2010
I'm already on it
/hides in cake to be delivered to McCann’s house
TheLetter2 - October 24, 2010
Wouldn’t that be more of a gift for you, though?
UMDBHIK - October 24, 2010
Everyone winzzzzzzzz.
TheLetter2 - October 24, 2010
LOL @ Schizo Philly fan...
In their game (loss!!) thread.
Going off about how it’s all fixed and how Arod’s WS homer wasn’t really a HR.
-C
cthabeerman - October 24, 2010
that guy is awesome
Everyone should go read him.
Doghnut - October 24, 2010
Interesting factoid...
Philly’s $143.728M committed salary for next season is less than $1M behind the Yankees’ committed salary.
-C
cthabeerman - October 24, 2010
The Howard Contract/Albatross™
Paid it’s first dividend tonight. The first of many.
Sam Jethroe - October 24, 2010
I can’t wait for that contract extension to kick in!
frozendesert - October 24, 2010
I can’t wait to see how this looks in 5 years.
FrediGonzalez - October 25, 2010
Lee/Howard
Howard WAR for 2010:
http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=y&type=6&season=2010&month=0
Look who is right next to him: Derrek Lee.
FWIW, Howard might be one of the worst fielders in MLB.
FrediGonzalez - October 25, 2010
link
Need to go to page 3 of that to see Lee/Howard.
FrediGonzalez - October 25, 2010
That's a little misleading, however.
1. The Astros are paying $8 million or so of Oswalt’s salary.
2. Derek Jeter and Mariano Rivera are technically free agents, altough it is a foregone conclusion that the Yankees will sign them for a combined $30 million plus per year.
cavebird - October 25, 2010
I wonder how much money the Yankees throw at Jeter. His OPS+ was 90 this year, and he had a WAR of 1.3, in no small part because of the liabilities he causes at SS. He’s only going to get worse.
Unless they move him to OF or 3B, he’s going to be bleeding that lineup of wins during the whole contract.
It’s pretty easy to find a SS who gives you a WAR of 1.3.
The Phillies got 1.7 WAR from Wilson Valdez, for instance. Others? Yunel Escobar. Juan Uribe. Jeter made 22,000,000 in 2010, for which the Yankees received a WAR of 1.3.
Think about that.
Jeter should be paying the Yankees in 2011. He owes them about $15,000,000 of performance from 2010.
FrediGonzalez - October 25, 2010
All I've heard...
was a suggested 2 years/15 million. That’s a huge decrease from his past salaries, but like you’ve said, his performance won’t help him get much more than that, and he’s obviously not going elsewhere (meteor odds).
-C
cthabeerman - October 25, 2010
Sad thing is
You know Jeter’s going to essentially get what he wants. He’s one of the rare baseball players to reach a plateau of untouchable, and until the entire city of New York turns on him, it’s a safe bet that he’ll get whatever he wants. Jeter going elsewhere would be like Emmitt Smith going to the Cardinals or Hakeem Olajuwon going to the Toronto Raptors. Even if it happened, pretty much all parties involved are going to wish it hadn’t.
I’m guessing a small 2, no more than 3 year deal, at a pretty bloated price that nobody in baseball would be willing to pay, kind of like Rivera’s 3/$45M, and somewhere behind the scenes the talks begin with Jeter to “allow” him to retire “on his terms,” lest be buried by New York when they eventually turn on him for naturally degrading performance.
royhobbs - October 25, 2010
I imagine that Jeter will get almost exactly...
…Rivera’s 3 yr. $45 million deal.
cavebird - October 25, 2010
you are a...
wise and learned spambot.
Mr. Sanchez - October 25, 2010
Glad the Phils lost
Thought they would destroy the Giants. It makes the Braves first round exit that much more impressive. Braves gave the NL champs everything they could handle. Can’t wait till 2011. Go Braves!!
Frozen Fan - October 24, 2010 via mobile
I couldn't care less about how good it made us
but I’m beyond happy the phils lost they deserved it
southman - October 24, 2010
With replacement level players, nonetheless.
If I was to play the woulda coulda shoulda game, I wonder just what the postseason would have looked like with a healthy Chipper, Meds, Saito, EOF, and Prado.
I’m guessing the Braves would have had the homefield advantage. Oh well.
2011 ain’t so far away. Excited to hopefully get to FLA for ST in March.
UMDBHIK - October 24, 2010
Great
It’s good to know that anyone who pisses you off gets banned….apparently we can’t have our own opinions. Sweet.
KJDH2154 - October 24, 2010
Great
It’s good to know that my attempts at sarcasm still soar over the heads of some here after all these years.
royhobbs - October 24, 2010
you, sir, are a ruthless tyrant. and lazy.
fandave - October 24, 2010
What is sarcasm?
KJDH2154 - October 25, 2010
It’s bigger than the Grand Canyon!!!
TonyAlmeyda - October 25, 2010
I know I'm probably way behind everyone else on this
But I just found out what Brian Wilson and The Machine was all about…hilarious.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrkSElfm7Lk&feature=player_embedded
Doghnut - October 24, 2010
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