Cory Harrilchak's solid hitting and above average defense helped to propel him to the top of the Braves Minor League outfield depth chart.
The most pressing need for the Braves at the Major League level is in the outfield, with major question marks in both left and centerfield. Unfortunately there isn't much immediate help on the horizon in the minor leagues for the Atlanta organization.The team's most promising outfield prospects are still in A-ball, and none are sure things. The outfield prospects for the Braves are more boom or bust than any other position, as any, or all, of them could turn into stud prospects, and any, or all, of them could turn into afterthoughts.
1. Cory Harrilchak - B/T: L/L, Born: 9/27/87, Ht: 5'10", Wt: 175 - Harrilchak's rise to the top of the outfield heap has more to do with the disappointing seasons of some of his fellow prospects than it does with his own play, but that play shouldn't be ignored. After being drafted in the 14th round in 2009, he had a fantastic debut season with Danville, hitting .324 with a .842 OPS, along with 19 stolen bases in 253 plate appearances. He followed that up by combining to hit .287 with a .754 OPS, 26 doubles, and 22 stolen bases in 510 plate appearances between Rome and Myrtle Beach. While he possesses only an average arm, Harrilchak is a plus defender at any outfield position, spending the majority of his time with Rome in rightfield, and the majority of his time with Myrtle Beach in centerfield. At worst, he profiles as a Ryan Langerhans-like 4th outfielder, capable of providing great value off the bench. At best, he could become a solid everyday outfielder, with his skill set profiling best in centerfield. To reach that level he's going to have to become more adept at stealing bases, he's only been successful on 71% of his steal attempts, improve on his ability to drive the ball, his .400 slugging percentage was just unacceptable, and continue to refine his natural ability to get on base. He played well enough with Myrtle Beach that he'll likely begin 2011 in AA Mississippi.
2. Todd Cunningham - B/T: S/R, Born: 3/20/89, Ht: 6'0", Wt: 200 - After he was selected in the 2nd round of this year's draft, there was talk that the Braves would move Cunningham to third base, but he spent all of his time in the outfield, playing 45 of his 65 games in centerfield. His debut wasn't as spectacular as some of his fellow draftees, as he hit .260 with a .679 OPS, with 9 doubles and 7 steals in 263 plate appearances for Rome. His on base skills were decent enough, as he got on at a .341 clip, but his slugging left a lot to be desired, as he slugged just .338. He has a tendency to look to slap the ball away, a tactic that is useful in certain situations, but not ideal for most hitters. Cunningham won the batting title in the 2009 Cape Cod League, so the ability is there. The Braves will look to get him to drive the ball more and if he can do so he has a much better chance of reaching his potential as an everyday, top of the order centerfielder. His defense is above average in center, and with the influx of third basemen from this year's draft it's unlikely that he'll be moved. He'll likely open 2011 with the team's new Lynchburg affiliate.
The rest of the list after the jump:

3. Adam Milligan - B/T: L/R, Born: 3/14/88, Ht: 6'3", Wt: 210 - Milligan's career has been waylaid by injury. After signing with the Braves as a 6th rounder in 2008, the 3rd time the team drafted him, he missed his entire first season with a knee injury. He got a late start to 2009, beginning the year in June with Danville, before his torrid play led to promotions to Rome and Myrtle Beach. He finished that year with a .344 average, a .985 OPS, 20 doubles, 13 homers, and 49 RBI in 285 plate appearances. He looked like a star in the making, but after a hot first week to start 2010 with Myrtle Beach, he hurt his shoulder, and after fighting through the pain for a few more weeks, he was forced to have rotator cuff surgery that ended his season. He hit just .200 with a .653 OPS in only 94 plate appearances, and those numbers were significantly affected by the injury. Milligan is, at best, an average defender, so his value as a plyer lies in his bat, which has huge potential. If he can come back from his latest setback, there's no reason to believe that his hulking frame can't continue to punish baseballs, but there's plenty of reason to wonder if he can stay healthy. He'll open 2011 back with Myrtle Beach, and if he can stay healthy he could develop into the kind of middle of the order power threat the Braves have sorely lacked.
4. Hector Garcia - B/T: S/R, Born: 6/19/92, Ht: 6'2", Wt: 170 - While he may be the most unknown name on this list, Garcia was one of the Braves' major international signings in 2008 when they plucked him out of his native Columbia. A childhood friend of Julio Teheran, he won't move nearly as fast at the fireballing righty, but the lanky outfielder is oozing with potential. He's spent the first 2 years of his career with the Dominican Summer League Braves, and after hitting just .165 with a .446 OPS in 95 plate appearances there in 2009, he improved to hit .260 with a .663 OPS and 16 stolen bases in 221 plate appearances. Garcia is capable of playing any of the outfield positions, though because of his speed he profiles best in centerfield. If he is able to add muscle on his large frame he could develop into a powerful, quick rightfielder. At this point the sky is the limit for Garcio, he only needs more experience to give a better view of what he can become. He will look to play in the US for the first time in 2011, and while there's an outside chance he could win a job with Rome to open the season, it's much more likely that his season begins in June with Danville, just after his 19th birthday.
5. David Rohm - B/T: R/R, Born: 1/22/90, Ht: 6'3", Wt: 215 - After being selected in the 9th round this year, Rohm was a pleasant surprise, combining to hit .319 with a .784 OPS and 9 doubles in 158 plate appearances between the GCL and Danville. His season was cut short after he broke his foot with a few weeks left in the season, but he should be completely healed and ready for Spring Training. He was drafted as a first baseman, but played just 3 games there, playing mostly leftfield for the GCL team and only rightfield for Danville. Regardless of where he plays, his large frame makes him a subpar defender, so that's an aspect of his game that needs a lot of work. Fortunately, that same large frame lends itself perfectly to hitting, where his strong base allows him to consistently drive the ball. The Braves envision him as a slugging rightfielder and he'll go to Rome in 2011 to work on continuing to develop his offensive upside and to try to turn himself into an adequate defender.
6. Kyle Rose - B/T: R/R, Born: 5/24/89, Ht: 6'0", Wt: 165 - Rose had a fine debut in 2009 after being picked in the 8th round, hitting .293 with a .750 OPS, including a .397 OBP, and 27 steals. He also went 3-5 with another stolen base in a 1 game stint with Danville. But his 2010 season was marred by injury, he played in just 91 games, missing time with a sever hamstring pull, and ineffectiveness, as he was caught stealing 23 times while being successful 29 times. Unlike most speedsters, Rose is long and rangy, a quality that lends itself perfectly to being an above average centerfielder with outstanding range. If he can harness all of his skills, he could become the quintessential leadoff hitter, but he has a number of areas that need improvement. He has shown almost no ability to drive the ball, as his slugging percentage was a pathetic .299 in his 362 plate appearances for Rome. Add in this a 19% strikeout rate last year and he has a lot of work to do to make more contact. As fast as he is, he simply needs to put the ball in play and let his speed put pressure on the defense; the slugging will come naturally with increased contact. He needs to harness his speed better when he does get on base, something that can be accomplished with experience and coaching. Again, Rose could develop into the ideal leadoff hitter, but there's also the unfortunate possibility that he could end up like many speed players who are uanble to steal first base. He'll start 2011 back in Rome, hoping to improve on his showing from this season.
7. Cody Johnson - B/T: L/R, Born: 8/8/88, Ht: 6'4", Wt: 240 - Perhaps no player in the entire Atlanta organization had a more trying 2010 than Cody Johnson. The slugging leftfielder had broken his team's single season home run record in both 2008 and 2009, and was looking to challenge AA pitchers as a 21 year old in 2010, but his contact issues caught up to him. The strikeouts had always come with the power, as he struck out in 34% of his plate appearances in 2008 and in 35% of his plate appearances in 2009. That rate rose to 39% in 2010, and all that kept him from fanning 200 times was missing large stretches of the season with a severely injured hamstring. That injury was the beginning of the end of his time in AA, as he seemed ot get hot in early May after epic struggles in April, only to have that stretch end by going on the shelf. He never got right again and ended up being demoted to Myrtle Beach, hitting .189 with a .613 OPS and 10 homers in 260 plate appearances with Mississippi. He did better after the demotion, hitting .264 with a .839 OPS and 6 homers in 102 plate appearances. The possible outcomes for Johnson's development are starkly different, either he figures out how to make enough contact to make his power, which is arguably the most impressive in all of the Minor Leagues, worthwhile, and he becomes a Rob Deer or Adam Dunn type player, or he doesn't, and he becomes one of the more disappointing first round draft picks in Braves history. He'll return to Mississippi in 2011, looking for compltely opposite results.
8. Kurt Fleming - B/T: S/R, Born: 8/30/91, Ht: 5'11", Wt: 193 - The Braves selected both Kurt (8th round) and his older brother Kenny (19th round) in this year's draft. Kurt shows more potential, and while his debut wasn't spectacular, he hit .266 with a .701 OPS and 8 steals in 186 plate appearances for the GCL and Danville, he did show plenty of promise. He spent the majority of his time in centerfield, though he may not have the speed required to play there regularly as he gets older. He is a slightly above average defender regarless of where he's at the in outfield, and even if he is forced to shift to leftfield in the future, his bat shows the kind of all-around game that is typical of regular outfielders. Fleming is a lot like Cory Harrilchak, in that he does a lot well without being that spectacular, though he's already shown a bit more propensity to drive to drive the ball. Like Harrilchak, at worst he could become a Ryan Langerhans-like 4th outfielder, at best a solid everyday leftfielder. He'll move up to Rome in 2011, hoping to further refine his game.
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So, did Jordan Schafer just completely fall off the wagon?
I know had another off year, was demoted back to Double A, and that he too had been battling a lot of injuries with another trip to the DL. But, I thought we were still high on this kid’s potential. Is he officially a Bust now or is there still reason to hold out hope for him?
v2micca - October 22, 2010
Jordan...
…is not a prospect any more because he doesn’t have rookie status. He’s just a major leaguer in the minors who hasn’t made it yet.
gondeee - October 22, 2010
Oh right
Watching him struggle this year, I tend to forget that he was ever a Major Leaguer, even if it was only for a moment.
v2micca - October 22, 2010
It's really too bad too
At 24 turning 25 next season, he’s going to have to bounce back in a BIG way to have any impact with the Braves organization.
garlick - October 22, 2010
I’m hardly one of the most active members here, but I’ve been highly skeptical of Schafer for a long time now. He was badly overhyped by the organization. Based on various comments I’ve read here, a lot of folks have given up on him like me. I’ll be stunned if he ever plays another game in the majors. He had an OK season in AA in 2008, but it was hardly earth shattering. Francoeur put up somewhat similar numbers in AA (with fewer walks though) which is probably part of the reason so many thought that Schafer couldn’t miss.
Zontar - October 22, 2010
He wasn’t overhyped I don’t think. He was never a “can’t miss” prospect though. He was our Number 1 prospect in 2008, ranking ahead of Jason Heyward (2), Jair Jurrjens (3), and Tommy Hanson (9). People don’t realize how hurt his wrist was. He’ll be back in the majors, though it may not be with us
eaheckman10 - October 22, 2010
As bad as the OF situation is, he deserves as much time as it takes.
Broccoman - October 23, 2010
Alas, he has only two more years....
…before he is out of options.
cavebird - October 25, 2010
this is the reason i dont like prospects lists....
and no disrespect to you cb. i just dont understand how willie cabrera isnt at least mentioned. on any prospect list that i’ve seen, it seems like they leave off the “older guy who had a good but not great season” and replace him with the “younger guy who had a mediocre season” even though the older guy has more potential of becoming a major leaguer than the younger guy. if predictions are that most of these guys become 4th outfielders at best, then shouldnt willie be ahead of them considering he proved the same at a higher level?
same kinda goes for matt young who constantly gets looked over on any prospects’ list yet puts up good season after good season.
ryan c - October 22, 2010
most of these guys have a current floor of 4th OF with upside of being a very good everyday OF….there is a big disparity between ceiling and floor, but that is because there are younger and we are dealing with a lot of potential…as I’m sure you know…On Cabrera and Young, there is almost no potential left…we know who they are..at best they are fringe starters or 4th OFs….There’s almost no upside…
Most prospect evaluators will give a bit more props to the guy who has the higher upside, especially when the floor is relatively similar. Remember we are weighing like 100 considerations in evaluating a prospect. CB generally gives props to the guy who is younger and doing it at the highest level. If you prefer to give props to th e guy who has the more certain future and is doing better at a higher level, regardless of the fact that he is old for the league and has spent a couple of seasons at that level, then that is fine…I disagree…but thats kinda why prospecting is fun….
I pretty much agree with CB…Cabrera and Young just arent prospects anymore, they are too old for thier league and haven’t shown enough upside…I would much rather take Harrilchek, because if he develops he can be a great leadoff hitter and CF, or Milligan because he can be the bat we so desperately need…and if healthy I think he can move fast…or at least if he is healthy he will move fast.
P.S. I absolutely love Matt Young and want him on the big league club…
Swo12bv - October 22, 2010
yeah...
i understand the point and i also understand that i’m wrong. i just dont agree with rating a player better just because that player is younger. complicated, i know.
example: todd cunningham is 21 years old, played A ball this year (so he was old for his league), put up fairly poor numbers, and yet he’s classified as our #2 OF prospect based on the pure fact that he won the batting title in the Cape Cod League in 2009. so, he’s not really a stolen base candidate, doesnt hit for power, but plays an average to above average centerfield and gets on base fairly well, and that computes to the #2 prospect in our system, but willy who has had an .800 ops over the last 2 years in more advanced leagues gets completely left off. i dont get it.
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ryan c - October 22, 2010
i don’t think you are wrong you just value prospects differently…there is so much gray area, you really have to try to be wrong….like if you said Cody Johnson has a good chance to be our CF, you’d be wrong.
Swo12bv - October 22, 2010
First off, swo did a great job of explaining most of my personal methodology for ranking prospects, so I don’t really need to go over that again, second it’s also worth pointing out that these prospect lists are a compilation of 4 different people, gondeee, yodaime14, bendurino, and myself, so they don’t reflect any one person’s feelings. For instance, I agree about Cunninham, he was much lower on my personal list.
As far as Willie, it’s not only a combination of his age and level, being 23 at AA isn’t that impressive, especially when it’s your second season, and the fact that the organization didn’t seem to have much interest in him, for someone they thought highly of they would have made a better effort to get him in AAA and keep him there, but also a product of his limited projectability. He’s a good OF, but he’s not fast enough to play CF regularly, and his arm isn’t good enough to play RF regularly. Also his bat isn’t good enough to justify RF. So essentially you’re looking at a LF with a mediocre (at best) ML bat, and LF is the least important defensive position and thus should be one left for sluggers. So there are a bunch of factors working against Cabrera and that goes right into swo’s comment about floor and ceiling. Yes, Cabrera’s floor is high, he looks like he could be a 4th OF in the Majors right now, but he really has a low ceiling. If you asking me to choose between a guy who could blossom and really become something or a guy who’s basically what he’s going to be, I’m going to choose the guy with room to grow. Like swo said, you’re not wrong for disagreeing; I’m not a fan of John Sickles’ take on prospects because I think he looks at performance more than potential, but plenty of folks love him.
cbwilk - October 22, 2010
sry if i stepped on your toes describing your methodology…I’m pretty sure i didn’t but just thought i should say sry anyways.
[hug]
Swo12bv - October 22, 2010
Don’t be sorry, you covered it without me having to spend the time doing it. You should be demanding that I thank you.
cbwilk - October 23, 2010
well then wtf…where is my thank you you sandbaggin son of a bitch
Swo12bv - October 23, 2010
How you gonna roll up on me demanding a thank you? Boy, I will whip you with a belt.
cbwilk - October 23, 2010
Don't go expecting anything any time soon....
from that lazy bastard. He still owes me a “I was wrong” post from months ago when Feliz AND Andrus made the All Star team.
Mr. Sanchez - October 23, 2010
Rec'ed
for the use of the term “sandbaggin son of a bitch.”
-C
cthabeerman - October 23, 2010
Willie Cabrera
Hey Guys Again, so I couldnt help get into this Cabrera Discussion again with you. It appears that your ranking and prospect observations tend to fall short, hhmmmm the dodgers have a few scout opennings for anyone interested. Cabrera appears to have more talent than the guys your talking about, for starters his strike out ratio is superior to what weve seen lately, his speed is decent and workable, his bat is exceptional and must I say hes a player that is still growing. This was his second full season at AA and for it being a second he led the league in avg and dbls for most of the time. So i say hes worthy of a top 10 spot. All your other players are hopefulls and havent proven Jack? Looking at his age, hes a young 23 based on his birthdate being at the end if the season. His arm in RF isnt a Raul Mondesi but can surely throw guys out, i seen that several times from him this year. In my book hes a 2nd OF player in the Biggs. Lets be honest these guys that you have high on your prospect list are low ball players, and we all know that danville and Rome are divisions that dont validate a player. Any decent hitter can shine like a god in those divisions. But if a guy can hit top 5 in AA ball its a diferent story. So your numbers are based on Varsity pitching and unproven hitters. Just a whole biggggg Maybe. Geee sounds like our big fat Health Reform Policy just a biggg maybe. I say give the players that have proved themselves in a desent level of pitching a deserved ranking. And Cabrera deserves to be noted as a top 10.
bravesforlife - October 24, 2010
First, no politics. Ever. Second, Cabrera could be a top 10, but the list only goes to 8. Third, I guess time will tell. We’ll meet back in 5 years and see how things turned out.
cbwilk - October 24, 2010
I agree no politics since we all have diferent views, but arent we all politicians here discussing posibilities here. So heres the deal, drop one of your unproven top 8 and bump Cabrera to a deserving number. Everything else is just our fabled politics. I dont question everyones way of scouting but lets remember we arent like the BCS rankings, so lets put the players number firts before their age.
bravesforlife - October 24, 2010
You’re welcome to your own perspective on ranking players. Personally, I rank players based on potential, not production. Obviously, there comes a point when a player needs to produce to match that potential, but there’s nobody on the list who’s old enough for that to be an issue. There will be a chance around Christmastime for the community to come up with their own top-25 list, and at that time you can put Cabrera where you feel he deserves to be. Until then, this is the list that myself and 3 of the other TC bloggers came up with.
cbwilk - October 24, 2010
I mostly agree with you cb, but I have one question.
I was looking at the list and read the discussion about Cabrera. While being 23 and repeating AA and doing well is not that much of an accomplishment, Harrilchak is 23 and hasn’t even been to AA yet, but he is #1 on the list.
Again, I am not disagreeing with you (at least not yet), but I am curious why Cabrera’s age is a disqualifier and Harrilchak’s is not? (Obviously, the Braves think something along the same lines as Harrichak is in the AFL while Cabrera is not.) This just confuses me, to be honest.
cavebird - October 26, 2010
Honestly, that’s a huge hole in my logic. Cabrera actually is a year older, having turned 24 in August, but still, it’s not a huge difference. I guess all I can use to defend this is that Harrilchak just finished his first full season, while Cabrera just finished his 4th full season. That’s not really something to knock Cabrera on, especially since he played at Rome and Myrtle Beach in his first full season, as a 20 year old. But, since then, he’s spent a year with Myrtle Beach and 2 with Mississippi, and I’d have to say I don’t think Harrilchak is going to do that. Barring age being a big difference, I just think the tools are pretty far apart. Harrilchak is a true centerfielder and a better defender, he’s a lefthanded hitter who is better at making contact, and he’s faster. If you watched the two play next to each other, you’d be more impressed with Harrilchak. Again, I’ve never said Cabrera isn’t a good player, I definitely think he is, but I think the way the Braves have handled where he’s played each year is a pretty good indication of how they feel about his future.
cbwilk - October 26, 2010
Fair enough.
It is obvious with a guy like Matt Young who is 28 that he is just too old to be considered much of a prospect. Cabrera is a bit old, but not that old, so I was curious. Thanks for the explanation.
cavebird - October 26, 2010
top 8 O/F prospects? Like top 8 iceberg look-outs on the Titanic...
blazon - October 22, 2010
our outfield..
we suffer a shortage of pop
but our outfield problems must stop
none can hit, some can throw
some have errors to go
at the plate you can hear a pin drop.
blazon - October 22, 2010
I love prospect porn
Todd Cunningham: B/T: S/R, Born: 3/20/89, Ht: 6’0", Wt: 200 – Todd is a rambunctious outfielder whose personality just shines through in this pictorial set in the outfield grass of a minor league baseball stadium.
Todd loves sushi, romantic movies, back rubs, cuddling in front of a fire, and dates with a sense of humor. He also loves hiking with his golden retriever, Chipper.
He dislikes bad breath, people who don’t take care of themselves, and sliders aimed at his back foot.
Todd gave up his dream to be a dental hygienist in order to pursue a career as Jason Heyward’s adorable sidekick. He hopes to catch on with the Atlanta Braves in the Spring of 2012.
FrediGonzalez - October 22, 2010
well played mauer
Swo12bv - October 22, 2010
I was kinda shocked you could come up with 8.
Kudos on that. Obviously the biggest chink in our farm system armor right now.
king of games - October 22, 2010
Also, do you think Harrilchack has the arm for CF? It didn’t look like he had much of an arm when I saw him out there.
king of games - October 22, 2010
you really don’t need that strong of an arm toplay CF…i mean look at McLouth or Pierre, or Podsednik, or Sizemore, i could keep going…RF’s have the strongest arm and then its mostly team determinative if the LF or CF has a stronger arm.
Swo12bv - October 22, 2010
I prefer all of my OFers have a strong arm, especially in Center.
See Jones, Andruw.
king of games - October 22, 2010
i prefer all of my OFs be Andruw Jones too..unfortunately his skills have diminished and there’s only one of him…some CF don’t have a strong arm, some do other, others have a mediocre arm…
Swo12bv - October 22, 2010
Outfield for next year:
Ankiel/Andruw/Francour – They’ll hit .150 with 3 HRs, but nobody will ever run on them.
P.S. – I’m kidding.
king of games - October 22, 2010
You never specified where though...
KC maybe? That’d be awesome to see.
Pavy848 - October 23, 2010
Johnny Damon.
Weakest arm I’ve ever seen, and that includes my high school team
eaheckman10 - October 22, 2010
Juan Pierre raises his hand and wonders if you see him in the back of the class.
Swo12bv - October 22, 2010
We came up with 10, decided 8 was more representative. I think Harrilchak’s arm would be fine in CF. It’s average, maybe slightly above. I’d be more worried about his speed, but I think he’s fast enough and his instincts make up for it by being in the right place all the time.
cbwilk - October 22, 2010
Cody Johnson born 8/8/88
any chinese would have loved to be born in that date.
8 is a lucky numbers for chinese
joshant - October 22, 2010
It may yet be for Cody, too
BravePhin - October 22, 2010
Felix Marte
is another name to keep an eye on. He was 19 this past season so he’s about a year and a half older than Garcia, but had a much better season in the DSL this year. Marte was second on the team to Salcedo in OPS (.823), first in doubles (17), and first in HR (6). He was the only player on the team to hit more than 2 HR.
The downside to Marte’s game last season was strikeouts. He whiffed in basically 1/3 of his PAs. Hopefully when he gets stateside the coaches can help lower the Ks. He’s a long way away, but I figured a righthanded OF who seems to have some power potential would intrigue the TC masses.
J-Turn14 - October 22, 2010
Sad, sad list here
I’d think that I’d take our #10 P prospect over any guy on this list. I just don’t see Haarilchak as anything more than an organizational OF. Outside of the new draftees and the DSL, the only guys that I see with true MLB starter upside would be Cody, Milligan, and Hefflinger, and those guys have significant ?’s right now.
theatlfan - October 22, 2010
The way i look at it.
just have Heyward play two outfield positions at the same time, place marteeeeen back at third, and have chipper sit down while playing the field. then chipper could just bat, and help coach.
then we wouldn’t have to worry :-)
WuWilson3A.I. - October 22, 2010
In 2011
I think Milligan will have a big year as well as CJ even though a lot of people have given up on him. CJ is only 22 and could spend three years working on his approach and still be only 25. If Kyle Rose can improve his K rate and hit for more power, he could be that speedy CF we have been looking for.
Braves24 - October 22, 2010
Now let's throw them all into a boiling pot of nuclear acid....
And let their DNA fuse to create Andruw2.0
BravePhin - October 22, 2010
OF Prospects...terrible list
Not terrible for the one putting it together, terrible in that we have NO OF talent. The fact that Cody Johnson even falls into our top 8 shows our horrendous prospect depth in the OF. Right now, I’d put him as #1 on the biggest disappointment in the Braves minor league system. Our big league pitchers strike out less than he does in minor league ball, and he is supposed to be a prospect? Yikes.
Braves12 - October 22, 2010
the list is not great…but that doesnt mean there isnt a ton of talent there…and Cody Johnson is still a very respectable prospect…as mentiuoned above he is 22 years old and will be in AA, for his second year, and is still age appropriate. Not to mention he has the most power of any hitter in the minor league, arguably. On top of the fact that he has a solid walk rate.
Odds are he never makes it to the majors…but odds are most prospects don;t make it to the majors. he has a really low ceiling, but a ridiculously high ceiling as well. too many people are shaded by the fact Heyward and Freeman dominated AAA and AA at the age of 19/20…most players don’t do that…which is a testament to how special those two are, but shouldnt detract from the fact that most prospect take more time…most spend 4-5 years in the minors, some even more. Cody still has a future and its relatively bright…but as we know he needs to control his strikeouts and take walks….which is a tall task for him, but his upside is what makes him so special
Swo12bv - October 22, 2010
Hopefully this year...
gets him to make the adjustments he needs to make to become a major leaguer.
Other than the misstep of “low ceiling” where you mean “low floor”, I agree on Cody. It doesn’t seem likely he’ll be a successful big leaguer, or perhaps even make it, as it does with several others deemed prospects. But he has the tools and the athleticism, if he can just learn to improve his ability to make contact and take a walk.
Mr. Sanchez - October 23, 2010
thanks for the correction…
Swo12bv - October 23, 2010
I think 2011 is a very important year for Cody Johnson.
There are really only two possibilities: either Johnson simply does not have the talent to make enough contact to make it or he just has refused to change his approach to make more contact. If it is the former, there just isn’t anything that can be done. If it is the latter, the disasterous season he had in 2010 should wake him up enough to take instruction better and try a different approach. And if 2010 isn’t enough of a wake up call, I don’t know what could be. Therefore, I think we will either see progress in 2011, or there probably just won’t be any more progress to be made.
cavebird - October 25, 2010
Young and Cabrera
Definitely deserve some conversation at least. It’s organizational depth. I mean Matt Young could have out-OBP’d half of the hitters on our big league club this year, and we paid some guy $3.1 MM to play worse than Young would have… Like I get that they’ve both essentially peaked, and aren’t really prospects, but that doesn’t mean these two don’t have a much better chance of helping the big league club than any of the guys on this list.
timmy3 - October 22, 2010
Some of you all make me sick.
We just graduated the #1 overall prospect in the minors and he was an outfielder. We also graduated a top-25 prospect in Schafer back in ‘08, and while he hasn’t really done anything yet, we still haven’t seen him healthy for an entire year.
And you complain about how weak the list is? Have you seen how quickly the Braves address their weak spots in the minors? I’m not worried at all.
Scott Coleman - October 22, 2010
But you and I both know....
Jayson Werth would solve ALL of our outfield problems. In fact I just historically overpaid for him in MLB The Show, he kept spurning my offer for the Yankees, wierd…..but he looks great in that Braves uni
KJDH2154 - October 22, 2010
Did you see that throw last night? Him and Heyward in the corners would be magical.
Scott Coleman - October 22, 2010
Either arm would be a waste in LF.
Tarkus - October 22, 2010
Yeah, I love watching the guy play, is it just me or does he seem like a huge outcast on that team??? Like no one likes him because he slept with Utley’s wife….Maybe that will be a big deciding factor and give Atlanta a slight discount, knowing that he’d get to face the Phils that much more in a season, meaning he’d get to see Chase’s wife more!
KJDH2154 - October 22, 2010
Werth can play a passable center.
If somehow we sign him, which we won’t, we should probably play him there. We just don’t have better options in center.
cavebird - October 25, 2010
I've been on the Werth bandwagon too.
I just don’t like devoting so much money to a player whos going to be ancient (baseball wise) by the end of the contract.
Pavy848 - October 23, 2010
Even with the fact that we graduated 2 top prospects
and traded for 2 CFs in the last 2 years, it’s had to argue that OF wasn’t the weak link for the ML team. At this point, it’s more likely to see a 1 of our INF prospects make a position switch to OF to make an impact on the big club than any of these kids. I really don’t see anyone on this list that excite me at all. To give a point of reference, there will be about a few INF prospects, a couple of C prospects, and prolly around 10-15 P prospects that I am excited about.
theatlfan - October 22, 2010
Well as I said above, just give it a few months.
Look at what we’ve done to our infield in the last year. And as CB pointed out the other day, look at what we did with our catchers about 8 years ago (BMac, Salty, Ramirez, Sammons). If there’s a weak spot in our minor leagues, the scouting department and FO are always ready to improve it.
Scott Coleman - October 22, 2010
My guess is that it'd take 2 years
to remake our MiL OF depth. Generally, I don’t get too excited about recent draftees (I think the last one I was really excited about was Heyward) so yes, it’s prolly just a me thing. Still, unless there’s a position switch (Lipka?) or someone comes from basically nowhere (Cody? Hefflinger? Sumoza? Millgan? I’ll even kick in Fleming and Schafer to this list…), I can’t see being too excited about the our OF prospects next year either.
As far as the INF comparison, I don’t see the top of the line stud we had in Freeman coming into this year or even a talent ala Mychal Jones. Maybe through some trades we can get some high level minors prospects like we did Pastornicky, but outside of those 3, it’s basically a handful of recent draftees that have played well in Rookie ball or an International signing that bombed in A- ball that seems to have people excited… I just can’t get too high on kids like this.
theatlfan - October 22, 2010
So the only prospects you like are nicely developed, potential superstars in AA or AAA. Got it.
Scott Coleman - October 22, 2010
We haven't seen Schafer healthy...
and may never again.
Wish we had signed Sabol, he’d have helped this list, or one of the other low draft, high upside picks from last summer.
Mr. Sanchez - October 22, 2010
I’m fairly shocked at all the doom and gloom being expressed over this list. While I was writing it I was excited by all the potential these guys have. I don’t know, maybe I’m just a glass half full guy when it comes to prospects. I always think about a guy like Martin Prado who nobody would have given any credit to as a Minor Leaguer and now he’s indispensable.
cbwilk - October 22, 2010
this.
and I still really like Kyle Rose.
Scott Coleman - October 22, 2010
this
Braves24 - October 22, 2010
yah…Me too.
rbravesfan - October 26, 2010
I think it has more to do with the fact that some of the other positional lists
will be much stronger. Hell, if there’s just 1 list for all the Ps, we’ll have 9 or 10 guys that would easily rank in other team’s top 5 overall lists…
theatlfan - October 22, 2010
I don't think it's doom and gloom for the overall team.
Just about the OF position in the (high) minors, which can be addressed in other ways.
Tarkus - October 22, 2010
too many people want everyone to be all-stars…while others realize a guy like harrilcheck who will most likely, if he develops appropriately, be a guy who OPSs around 800 mostly because of his OBP and then plays good defense…never a star, won’t eve make the all-star team..but a very solid cost controlled role player…not every player can be Chipper or McCann or Heyward…you need guys like Mark Lemke or [insert other role player here]
Swo12bv - October 22, 2010
This is an excellent point. There are, relatively speaking, very few Major Leaguers, and even fewer stars.
cbwilk - October 23, 2010
still waiting for my thank you
Swo12bv - October 23, 2010
The Rangers won. You’re welcome.
cbwilk - October 23, 2010
Now where's my I was wrong post?
Mr. Sanchez - October 23, 2010
[insert other role player here]...
Martin Prado.
Mr. Sanchez - October 23, 2010
well i think Prado could end up making an allstar game or two, but other than that its pretty much true.
Swo12bv - October 23, 2010
hopefully...
but my point, which I didn’t say clearly, was what’s the difference between Prado’s prospect eval and a guy like Harrilchak or Cunningham, etc.
Mr. Sanchez - October 23, 2010
So what you are saying is can we not get Matt Young on the team and see what he's got?
Because I’d be totally on board with that.
Pavy848 - October 23, 2010
Free Matt Young!
4th OF, backup 2nd base in a pinch, pinch run, give the man a chance.
bighop - October 23, 2010
yes i want Young on the team, depending on who our LF/CF is this year
Swo12bv - October 23, 2010
I imagine Young will be the fourth or fifth OF next year.
If we don’t bring him up in 2011, we might as well cut him loose and let him try to catch on somewhere else, because if we don’t use him now, we never will.
cavebird - October 25, 2010
I’m with you, cb. There’s good reason in my view to think we catch lightening in a bottle with several of these guys. Rose, Cunningham and Milligan are all good candidates for break out seasons, I think.
fandave - October 23, 2010
It would be really nice if Adam Milligan could stay healthy
I was excited when we drafted him and I read the scouting report on him, and think he could be really good, but injuries have killed him early in his career.
KJDH2154 - October 22, 2010
Matt Lipka?
I might be real mistaken, but didn’t Lipka play quite a bit in the outfield in this years Rookie ball? Was that because we drafted so many middle infielders they just wanted him on the field or is OF a possibility for him?
bighop - October 23, 2010
From what I’ve seen, he’s been all over the field. But he’s good so I don’t care where he ends up.
Pavy848 - October 23, 2010
Lipka played 42 games as SS, 10 games at DH, so no, he didn’t play any OF.
cbwilk - October 23, 2010
Thanks
I thought I might have been wrong, must have been thinking about Cunningham
bighop - October 23, 2010
Yeah, on draft day there was talk that Cunningham was going to third base, but he played nothing but outfield. There was also talk that Lipka might end up in CF, but so far that’s just talk.
cbwilk - October 23, 2010
Remember...
..it’s not like we have a great amount of future SS’s available. Lipka is more valuable if he can stick at short.
cavebird - October 25, 2010
Myke Jones, Tyler Pastornicky, Alejandro Sanchez, Andrelton Simmons. We’ve got a few shortstops…
cbwilk - October 25, 2010
Is Simmons in winter ball?
If he’s gonna be a SS, it’d be nice if he was getting continued work at the plate. Or if P is still an option, getting a few innings to see what he’s got.
Mr. Sanchez - October 26, 2010
Players that young have nowhere to play in winter ball. The play in most foreign leagues is about the same as High AAA, so a guy like Simmons would get eaten alive. And they’re all pretty competitive for good pay, so they’re not going to let a guy who can’t compete play. And, this summer he played twice as much baseball as he’s ever played in his life, so some time off is a good thing.
cbwilk - October 26, 2010
touche lazy
Mr. Sanchez - October 26, 2010
I would rank Lipka as a prospect above all of those guys...
…and think he has the best chance of becoming a starting shortstop. That being said; if more than one of them pans out, moving a shortstop to another position is usually the easiest transformation. Hell, I recall that about 10-15 years ago the Brewers fielded a lineup consisting solely of former minor league SS’s. (the rarest move is to catcher, but Surhoff was catching for them and he was a minor league SS). By the time that group makes it we’ll need a 3B/2B anyway, so that will be one of them moving. (Salcedo may take this slot however.) If we get a bunch to pan out, we can shift one to OF as well. I don’t think the odds of getting more than one above average major league starter from that group is too high, however. Not that they are a bad set of prospects, just that the normal success rate is not high.
cavebird - October 26, 2010
Just wanted to point out that there are an abundance of worthwhile shortstops in the system right now. And I forgot to mention Salcedo, who I think is the best of all of them.
cbwilk - October 26, 2010
Salcedo is probably the best...
…but his odds of sticking at SS are pretty slim.
cavebird - October 26, 2010
Personally I don’t think they are. He’s a big, rangy kid, which is the same mold most great shortstops are. He’s 6’3" and has tons of room to put on muscle, but for now he’s really stout but wirey. I could see him having to move to third down the line the way a lot of shortstops have to, but I have little doubt he plays his first few years in the Majors as a shortstop. And no, I’m not concerned about the errors. Young players make errors. Young players who can get to balls other players can’t even dream about getting to make even more errors.
cbwilk - October 27, 2010
What is the status of Wilkin Ramirez?
He’s not a MiL FA is he?
Will he back for a full season at Gwinnett?
fandave - October 23, 2010
He is a Minor League free agent and will only be back if he’s re-signed.
cbwilk - October 24, 2010
yes sir yasser
Not a prospect at 30 Yasser Gomez has played well over the years
in Cuban and international play. A polished fileder, discipline albiet
low power hitter he gets on base and can take a walk.
In my view he is major league ready and superior to McClouth, Diaz,
Ankiel. Ideal 4th OF, defensive replacement.
sealift67 - October 24, 2010
Harrilchak
Maybe he’ll be the guy who busts out this year at the AFL and become a much bigger prospect than he was previously. It seems like a guy does that every other year there. (Last year there was a guy, Grant Desme, but he retired to become a priest.) Harrilchak is certainly lighting up the ALF so far, adding a 4-4, HR, performance to his already good work today. That would be really nice, if he has figured it out. He should start next year in Mississippi, and if he takes off, he could be ready soonish, which would be great, because given the market, we’ll probably only be able to get one of the two OF’s we need this year.
cavebird - October 25, 2010
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