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Thanks Bobby.
It was an unfortunate result for the Braves, who got a great performance from Derek Lowe, but couldn't muster enough offense and didn't play good defense behind him. Lowe had a no-hitter working into the sixth inning with a 1-0 lead, but he surrendered a home run to Cody Ross for the first hit and the first run.
Brian McCann gave the Braves the lead again the next inning with a solo home run, but Lowe ran out of gas in the seventh, walking two Giants to load the bases. A throwing error by Alex Gonzalez one batter later allowed the tying run to score, but replays showed that while the throw was high to Infante at second base, he did hold the bag. Another bad call by the umpiring crew in this series goes against the Braves. After a strikeout that would have been the third out, the Giants go ahead on a seeing-eye single.
The Braves had plenty of run-scoring opportunities. They left nine men on base and were 0-for-6 with runners in scoring position. The young lefty Madison Bumgarner did a good job of working his way out of trouble, and the Giants relievers were a bunch of magicians. Atlanta threatened in the ninth inning with runners on first and second and one out, but Omar Infante struck out and Melky Cabrera made the last out of the Braves season.
The Braves lose another one-run postseason game. Every game of this series has been decided by one run. Simply amazing.
Bobby Cox came out for a curtain call after managing this rag-tag group of players in his last game as the skipper of the Atlanta Braves. With the crowd cheering and chanting "Bobby, Bobby," even the Giants players tipped their caps and applauded the future Hall of Fame manager.
It is unfortunate and ironic that a manager who stressed fundamentals and fielding as much as Bobby Cox did, has his final series and his final game undone by poor fielding. We'll miss you, Bobby.
For an inning by inning recap of the game, go here. More on the game tomorrow morning, sad end to an exciting season.
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our defense was our biggest weakness all year.
Braves Biceps - October 11, 2010
Thanks for all the memories Bobby Cox! I hope in your new consulting role, your first 2 recommendations are Fredi Gonzalez as your replacement, and Jayson Werth for left field!!!
leedawg - October 11, 2010
I’d rather see Werth in center. Centerfielders are much harder to find than left fielders, and Werth’s got the stuff to play league average or slightly better D.
J-Freak - October 11, 2010
Thanks Bobby
Go Braves
Braves24 - October 11, 2010
I would happily take either Werth or Crawford
…and get Chone Figgins too!
deewill23 - October 11, 2010
Gotta wait and see what happens with Chipper first.
Scott Coleman - October 11, 2010
which is why I think any "big" move will be in the OF first
you can’t go nab an infielder when you might end up not needing them.
nuftjedi - October 11, 2010
i'd rather
take none of the above
drumzalicious - October 12, 2010
I'd have no problem with Werth playing center field against lefties
because then we can still use Diaz in left. Against RHP, we could use one of Melky/Ankiel/McLouth…. although I hope we are able to get rid of 2 of those in the offseason, leaving us w 4 outfielders
leedawg - October 11, 2010
Ankiel’s deal is up and Melky is a surefire nontender. Worst case scenario next year’s Opening Day outfield looks exactly like this year’s. Best-case, we get a guy like Werth who can provide a big bat and patrol center and either find a way to offload McLouth and find a platoon mate for Diaz or, if necessary, platoon McLouth and Diaz.
J-Freak - October 11, 2010
I take that back. Melky started Opening Day. Replace him with Diaz, and next year’s outfield looks just like this year’s.
J-Freak - October 11, 2010
We def. need a rosterbation
how many guys from the outfield alone are non-tender able?
Richie Grogan - October 11, 2010
I’m sure we’ll get one up in the next few days. Let’s just enjoy and reflect on the season for a few days though.
What everyone does in the privacy of their basement is up to them though.
Scott Coleman - October 11, 2010
No Werth plz.
Those types of contracts almost never work out long term.
get swoll yunel - October 11, 2010
Plus
He’s a scumbag.
Sam Jethroe - October 11, 2010
Werth cant and should not ever play center
Kineticist - October 12, 2010
I don’t want that dirtbag anywhere near Turner Field in a Braves uni. If you think Escobar was a bad fit, Werth would make him look like the team captain.
Aaron Meier - October 12, 2010 via mobile
Not to mention...
All the players would have to lock up their wives at home.
Tarkus - October 12, 2010
The thing that really sucks
If we had Prado and/or Wagner we would’ve easily won
Any chance we could get Beltre in FA?
KINGSLYTUT - October 11, 2010
What do you do with Chipper?
get swoll yunel - October 11, 2010
Please be realistic
He isn’t going to be able to do anything…
KINGSLYTUT - October 11, 2010
until
he is healthy
Braves24 - October 11, 2010
Yet he’s coming back. You want he should play left field again, or what?
J-Freak - October 11, 2010
What are you getting on about?
The guy already claimed he was going to try to come back. If he comes back the only place he can play is 3rd base.
We are stuck unless he decides to retire.
“Realistic”, my ass. Learn what you’re talking about.
get swoll yunel - October 11, 2010
You think Chipper is going to be effective next year?!
the guy couldn’t do anything healthy this year, you think coming back from knee surgury he’ll be even better?
That’s what the realistic part is about…wake up he isn’t going to come back and all of the sudden be All-Star HOF Chipper
KINGSLYTUT - October 11, 2010
Listen, dude, not once did I claim Chipper was going to be effective next season. Not once. Reading comprehension is not your friend.
The fact is he did say he was coming back next season, and the only spot he can realistically play is at third base. Freeman will be locked in at first and there’s no way Chipper can (our would want) to play the OF. We are stuck with him at third unless he has a change of heart and decides to retire.
That means no Adrian Beltre. That was the point.
get swoll yunel - October 11, 2010
OH my
I am so sorry I read it completly wrong..my bad…no need to be so rude though
KINGSLYTUT - October 11, 2010
You are correct
I am just pissed off after the loss.
My apologies to you. Didn’t mean to come off like a prick.
get swoll yunel - October 11, 2010
We're all mad/sad
Rough series and we lose our beloved manager
KINGSLYTUT - October 11, 2010
.806 OPS for the year.
Braves24 - October 11, 2010
jesus..
this is Chipper Jones people. he can play for us wherever he wants, as long as he damn well pleases. grow a pair, this is baseball. this is braves baseball.
d.ross - October 12, 2010
Damn Right
Kineticist - October 12, 2010
Agreed.
John Drake number 6 - October 12, 2010
OH
And that was a great salute to bobby after the game
KINGSLYTUT - October 11, 2010
Agree
And the Giants were classy, too. Now I am a giant Giants fan. Beat the Phils.
Jman781 - October 11, 2010 via mobile
This looks like as good a spot as any.
Congratulations on getting back to the playoffs. My condolences on the briefness of the experience (You were beset with a staggering run of injuries which, negated, would probably have reversed the results.) and the (apparent) ending to the truly legendary careers of both Mssrs. Cox and Wagner.
I say “apparent” because these days one never really knows…do they, Mr. Favre?
I’m not a big fan of TBS’ poorly synched live MLB – TV broadcast, so I screw around trying to avoid the results until the fully graphiced and Stocktoned archived game shows up. So I was reading a book on Koufax (who risked the regular use of his arm so that Dodger fans could rejoice…what was he thinking?) and then decided to read a little online NY Times, thinking “If I just avoid the sports section I’ll be OK.”
The Times holds Bobby in a higher regard, I’m sure, than the Post does – because there on the front page was the story of the game and the close of the heralded career.
Again, congratulations on an exciting season.
victor frankenstein - October 11, 2010
Thanks
and your sig is hilarious
Richie Grogan - October 11, 2010
I figure the 21K comments sort of links me to 'em.
Which would be fine if some folks (The reigning banhammer at Gaslamp Ball, fr’ instance) didn’t leap to the conclusion that I’m one of MCC’s representatives, you know? So I try to clear up confusion… before I reestablish it with my content.
They’re mostly OK folks. just some past differences of opinion.
victor frankenstein - October 11, 2010
I’m rooting for you guys against the Phillies, but I don’t really think you have a chance in hell to be honest.
Their 1-2-3 is better than our 1-2-3 and our guys shut your lineup down for most of the series. There are just too many holes in your lineup to compete against those bastards.
You do have hellacious pitching though, so who knows? Good luck either way. Timmy is the man.
get swoll yunel - October 12, 2010
good luck with the re-establishment there, victor.
i forsee you lasting oh, i dunno, 1 month before you’re banned here as well. careful, guys- you’re dealing with a sociopath. Victor was run out of MCC awhile ago for personal attacks made on members, among other things…
Anyhow, great series guys, honestly, the best division series out of all of them this year. all one run games, all could have gone either way. sad to see bobby go, and wish you the best of luck in 2011
giant4life83 - October 12, 2010
Yeah, the Giants are probably my 2nd favorite NL team. Real classy gesture and I hope they win.
Broccoman - October 12, 2010
i like entering the PHI series are underdogs- we have the pitching that can hold them down, and have beaten Halladay once, Oswalt 3 times, and Hamels once this year- should be a great series
giant4life83 - October 12, 2010
Thanks Bobby.
Irreplaceable – we were very, very lucky to have him and he will be missed.
Sir Stealth - October 11, 2010
Dare I say...,but replacable
Kineticist - October 12, 2010
spelling fail
Kineticist - October 12, 2010
not even going to comment on the game
I just want to say Thank you Bobby and thank you boys for an exciting year. I am definitely looking forward to next year even though it is going to be weird without Bobby.
nuftjedi - October 11, 2010
i dont live in atl anymore so i cant do it
but will someone punch Brooks Conrad in the dick for me for making Bobby cry… we should have another game to play
ChitownBravos - October 11, 2010
No
SuperNewb - October 11, 2010
I think its time to forgive brooksy…he had no business.being there anyway…lets just stop and appreciate our hall of fame manager…thank you bobby!!!!
ottie - October 11, 2010 via mobile
And the applause brooksy got was very classy all things considered
ottie - October 11, 2010 via mobile
you idiot
there’s a reason why he was our third-string option to play 3rd base
he souldn’t have had to play the field, but injury called for it, his value was as a hitter, but remember that he’s also a rookie
I wish you could show some understanding
TurnerTheBurner - October 11, 2010
sticks and stones
ChitownBravos - October 12, 2010
i dont know that you should be hating on conrad. he wasn’t put in a position to succeed- starting 2B on a playoff team. injuries decimated our IF, and he did the best he could.
it’s not like he was out to cheat the team purposefully
giant4life83 - October 12, 2010
*your IF, not ours, lol. my bad
giant4life83 - October 12, 2010
It's ok
everybody wants to be a Braves’ fan
a hooter's baby - October 12, 2010
i was a braves fan when i was young, because all the games were on TBS.
but now that im older and matured, the racist (in my opinion) tomahawk chop is too disrespectful.
giant4life83 - October 12, 2010
The you were never a fan at all. The chop is from FSU & isn't racist. It's not holding a race down last I checked.
FitzFan - October 12, 2010
disregardtherain - October 11, 2010
BRB. Gotta go throw up.
Seriously though, how much longer is MLB gonna let shit like this stand? That’s two games in this series that should have been tied but were tipped to the Giants by blown calls. I hope to God that they institute instant replay at that December meeting. I don’t want to see one more postseason loss dictated by the likes of Paul Emmel.
J-Freak - October 11, 2010
What plays are reviewable and what plays aren’t? That’s really the issue here.
The games already drag on for way too long.
get swoll yunel - October 11, 2010
More long
more fun
KINGSLYTUT - October 11, 2010
give each manager one challenge
if they get it right, they get one more. if not then their done.
any other “challenge” to a call is an automatic ejection.
I’d say anything other than balls/strikes is reviewable.
nuftjedi - October 11, 2010
I like the NFL system
two challenges and if you win both you get one more
Richie Grogan - October 11, 2010
Paul Emmel
REALLY bad job all around.
Last night he was calling outside strikes – fine and dandy.
But then he’d call the same pitch a ball.
Then he’d call it a strike again.
BOTH sides, all game.
When it’s on small call that doesn’t affect the overall outcome (Yes, not too many of those in this series.) that’s one thing, but when they’re gamechangers…or there are so many small ones that cumulatively one could argue that they influenced the game…intervention is called for. Maybe not the whole replay review, maybe just a verification of the correct optical prescription.
victor frankenstein - October 11, 2010
Emmel is an utter hack and should NEVER be allowed to umpire another baseball game at any level.
But this means that he will have many more years of screwing the pooch in MLB games, and some of them with huge consequences.
Sabean's_Folly - October 14, 2010
Might as well
It seems anytime a player or manager argues they get thrown within 10 seconds.
dragonhawk26 - October 11, 2010
In the postseason, virtually anything should be reviewable apart from balls and strikes. Let’s let the true winners move on.
It shouldn’t take too long. With the modern technology available, give the umps an ear piece to a guy in the booth with video access. He reviews it and calls in the decision. It would take 15 seconds or less. Any bang-bang play like that could be reviewed in no time if there’s any doubt.
J-Freak - October 11, 2010
That seems reasonable, but this is Bud Selig we’re talking about here, so we know nothing like that is actually going to happen.
We’d also have plenty of those “is the evidence really clear enough to overturn the call” situations like football always has. Those are great.
get swoll yunel - October 11, 2010
Bud Selig needs to go home and stay there. I hope the teams are so vocal at the December meeting that they have no choice but to do something to get the calls right from now on. Either a serious ass-whoopin for the umps or instant replay, or both.
J-Freak - October 11, 2010
THIS
I don’t know why Bud Selig can’t get his head out of his ass and realize that instant replay in baseball won’t cause the games to take as long as he thinks it will.
For god’s sake — since he has done nothing but fuck up the game since he took over as commissioner, he at the very least owes it to the fans to institute replay in the playoffs so teams don’t get shit out of wins that they earned, but were screwed over by the umpires.
BW Smith - October 12, 2010
close calls in the postseason…except for balls/strikes
forgotten_glory - October 11, 2010
Bud Selig
can go suck a dick, he is so worthless
TurnerTheBurner - October 11, 2010
THIS
I’ve hated that useless putz for years. Screw your “human element,” Bud. No one gives a shit when it unjustly sends them packing from the playoffs. You’re lucky Ron Gardenhire hasn’t cleaved off your head yet; the Twins have had the worst of this nonsense by far.
J-Freak - October 11, 2010
x1,000,000,000,000
Fuck Selig and all of the shitty umps in MLB.
NCBraves - October 11, 2010
Personally I think it's pretty pathetic, really.
The game deserves better. I just don’t see how it’s such a difficult decision to make. The first priority should be to get the calls right so that the games are decided by the players. Period. The technology is all there. The higher-ups just need to wake up and make the change. It’s past time.
Cayla - October 11, 2010
i agree, the umpiring was bad all around, yes, we caught the better half of the breaks, but remember that during the reg season we got cheated out of two, yes two, games by umps making bad calls on what were game winning plays at the plate.
we almost didnt make the playoffs because of those calls cost us two games in the standings. Personally, I see it as our “karmic umpire fund” being drained.
When calls go your way, you don’t complain. When they don’t, you do. Same with us. So really, in the end I think it all balances out. but, that’s just my op
giant4life83 - October 12, 2010
Get real, It didn't balance out in this series. Not even close.
FitzFan - October 12, 2010
the ball isn’t in his glove yet in this pic.
lpfist - October 12, 2010
"Thanks Bobby"
Kineticist - October 11, 2010
Screw this shit, I'm too proud of this team...
Wearing my jersey tomorrow anyway.
SuperNewb - October 11, 2010
I'm with you
well I’ll wear my hat, can’t wear a jersey to work.
I am still very proud of this team to have fought to the bitter end the way they did. This doesn’t feel anything like the previous DS losses, this team can – and should – hold their heads high.
nuftjedi - October 11, 2010
Thanks, Bobby
You brought a winning attitude to the Braves, and you will be missed. Thanks for the memories.
Go Braves!
Jman781 - October 11, 2010 via mobile
BOBBY BOBBY BOBBY
Thanks Bobby for everything you have done for this organization. You are the face of this franchise and will always be. One of the best managers of all time. You will be missed. Go Braves
Braves24 - October 11, 2010
It was a hell of a year
Kineticist - October 11, 2010
Bobby wasn't the only one shedding a tear tonight
I did as well. Didn’t want to, but couldn’t stop myself. Will never forget the legend.
Good luck in life, Bobby. You will never be forgotten.
oVecKid - October 11, 2010 via mobile
THANKS BOBBY for all the wonderful memories.
NCChopper - October 11, 2010
Green again.
SuperNewb - October 11, 2010
rec'd
this is braves country
Braves24 - October 11, 2010
without a doubt
DolphinNation - October 11, 2010
Hey guys...
170 more days until Opening Day 2011.
Scott Coleman - October 11, 2010
+1000
Go Colts
SuperNewb - October 11, 2010
um
Falcons?
drumzalicious - October 11, 2010
YES BABY!
MBL1 - October 11, 2010 via mobile
They gotta chance
They are my second team to Buffalo….i pray for Luck
KINGSLYTUT - October 11, 2010
buffalo?
ouch…
forgotten_glory - October 11, 2010
I've been hoping to suck this year
For a high draft pick…I’ve always been a fan for some reason
KINGSLYTUT - October 11, 2010
fuck the colts
TurnerTheBurner - October 11, 2010
+53!
Tarkus - October 11, 2010
forget that
Im hype for the offseason.
Bye to Melky!!!
drumzalicious - October 11, 2010
Offseason
I want a new LF, CF and a proven bullpen guy to go along with Kimbrel and Venters. Make it happen Wren!
deewill23 - October 11, 2010
Prediction: Melky gets non-tendered. Dayton Moore swoops in and signs him before Christmas.
You heard it here first.
J-Freak - October 11, 2010
Nah, D. Moore just loves the scraps that actually came through the Braves system. I imagine he’d stay the hell away from Melky’s Yankee stink.
get swoll yunel - October 11, 2010
Or
we could just have Chipper hang out with Wagner a lot this offseason. Let the whole “I dont wanna end my career like that” mindset take over him.
drumzalicious - October 11, 2010
I know he kept saying retirement
but I think there is still a chance wagner comes back.
nuftjedi - October 11, 2010
How about offering him a Clemens contract? Let him stay retired until July or so, then pitch down the stretch?
Broccoman - October 12, 2010
oblique strains are the worst, next to surgery.
giant4life83 - October 12, 2010
Wagner is 100% done.
AnEternalEnigma - October 12, 2010
Man, what a great quote.
What a bad ass Wags is.
get swoll yunel - October 12, 2010
He's a great guy
Always has been. I’m glad he played here for a year.
Sam Jethroe - October 12, 2010
I can't wait
this team is going to be loaded next year.
nuftjedi - October 11, 2010
THAT LONG!??
MBL1 - October 11, 2010 via mobile
This.
It’s gonna be a long, cold winter. Especially with a mantra like “If it weren’t for Paul Effing Emmel…”
J-Freak - October 11, 2010
just look ahead
I’m not going to dwell on this season since the future is very bright for this team
nuftjedi - October 11, 2010
Bobby, I haven’t always agreed with your decisions, but you made the Braves relevant again with your time as a GM and as the manager. Thanks for all the great memories, and get Freddi Gonzalez to be the new coach!
ChrisK562 - October 11, 2010
This.
Scott Coleman - October 11, 2010
I think it's
all but a done deal.
Kineticist - October 12, 2010
Thanks Bobby!
I’m actually proud of our club. We gave SF everything that they can handle basically with a bunch of bench players and rookies. Next year we should be even better with an improved outfield and healthy club.
Go Braves!
deewill23 - October 11, 2010
I’m thinking we sign MVP to a long term deal.
bpk228480 - October 11, 2010
oh my god
I’m gonna start a countdown until the first official day of the off-season.
First priority: Get a group of guys to help Melky clean out his locker. If that worthless piece of crap is on the Braves in 2011, I’m done being a fan. I’ll start liking the Royals or something.
Scott Coleman - October 11, 2010
When does offseason officially begin?
KINGSLYTUT - October 11, 2010
For us
about a half-hour ago
Richie Grogan - October 11, 2010
Priority #1: Non-tender Melky
Priority #2: Tell Chipper to make his mind up.
Priority #3: Look for suiters for KK. I’d love a KK-for-Figgins trade. Figgins had an off year, but there’s something seriously wrong in Seattle. He’d be fine here.
Priority #4: Decide what to do with DLowe. This will be very interesting.
or that’s what I’d do anyways.
Scott Coleman - October 11, 2010
Hire new manager?
:D
SuperNewb - October 11, 2010
Well that’s Fredi. I’m thinking that’ll be done within a day or two of the world series ending.
Scott Coleman - October 11, 2010
I'm with you on 1, 2 and 3
I think the move they’ll make, just because of the economics involved, will involve JJ.
DolphinNation - October 11, 2010
Chipper made his mind up. Per an MLBTR post from an hour or two ago, he’s coming back to Spring Training ready to play for the year.
J-Freak - October 11, 2010
I heard that too
DolphinNation - October 11, 2010
KK would probably be pretty damn good in Seattle. That ballpark would be great for him.
get swoll yunel - October 11, 2010
Scott...while you're in KC...
can you bring Greg White back??
DolphinNation - October 11, 2010
Yeah. And I’ll leave Melky and Ankiel there too.
Scott Coleman - October 11, 2010
Tell him we’ll throw in McLouth if he’ll give us a bucket of sunflower seeds.
J-Freak - October 11, 2010
and if he says no, tell him fine, how about Nate for 1 piece of super bubble?
leedawg - October 11, 2010
I posted this on the OT, and I'll post here as well (with an addition)
It’s been a great season, and i want to thank all the folks here at TC for making this site the greatest site on SBnation. You guys do a hell of a job…and I’m proud to be a member. I’m also proud to be a fan of the Atlanta Braves. It’s only going to get better next season…bank on it.
Farewell Bobby – you’re the best…sure-fire HOF’er. See you in Cooperstown in 5 years.
DolphinNation - October 11, 2010
this
TC is by far the best site on SBnation. Great job. and Thanks Bobby
Braves24 - October 11, 2010
Falcons=SuperBowl
Kineticist - October 11, 2010
So....
MBL1 - October 11, 2010 via mobile
derp
so, has anyone planned trips to Cooperstown in 2015 yet?
MBL1 - October 11, 2010 via mobile
It'll be before that
because he’s over 65 he doesn’t have to wait 5
Richie Grogan - October 11, 2010
I’m pretty sure its like 6 months after retirement he’s eligible.
bpk228480 - October 11, 2010
It is
but I think he has to wait a couple of rounds of voting because he’s not involved in those rounds
Richie Grogan - October 11, 2010
I live about an hour and change from there
See ya there.
DolphinNation - October 11, 2010
So....
Kineticist - October 12, 2010
GO GIANTS!
Please beat the Phillies… I look foward to next year, hopefully Heyward can take a nice step foward and get that .400 OBP hit 100 RBIs and 25 HRs(I’m not gonna get into advanced stats right now)
KINGSLYTUT - October 11, 2010
Go Rays
MBL1 - October 11, 2010 via mobile
Hope so, Heyward has a lot of work to do this offseason, his swing has a bunch of holes.
fylr71 - October 11, 2010
A few visits with Chipper Jones and he’ll look like Junior.
MBL1 - October 11, 2010 via mobile
GOD WILLS IT.
Creek Johnson - October 12, 2010
I disagree. He a very good rookie season.
FitzFan - October 12, 2010
I'd like to hope the Giants could beat the Phillies
but it won’t happen. so it looks like we’ll be stuck pulling for the Yankees (ugh) again. unless of course the Rays or Rangers make it and I won’t have as much of an issue rooting for one of them.
ABP – anybody but Philly
nuftjedi - October 11, 2010
we will give them a run for their money, don’t worry. our pitching is slightly better, and good pitching beats good hitting
giant4life83 - October 12, 2010
oh, btw- did you guys know that we drafted Bumgarner over Heyward?
giant4life83 - October 12, 2010
Yes, they said that during last night's game.
Tarkus - October 12, 2010
would you rather have heyward or bumgarner? we’re split over at MCC, but most stick with bumgarner.
both will be top flight players for years to come, not to mention the posey/heyward battle
giant4life83 - October 12, 2010
You’d rather have a solid #2/low #1 lefty than the probable best player in the National League for the next decade or so?
Scott Coleman - October 12, 2010
people have been calling bumgarner the next coming of andy pettitte.
heyward is showing good plate discipline, but its too early to tell if he will be an MVP type player. personally, he looks to be a low average, high OBP kind of hitter.
his development will establish his ranking in the years to come
giant4life83 - October 12, 2010
Seriously? He hit .277 during the season, and that’s with him playing nearly a month with a busted thumb which totally killed his numbers. He should’ve been on the DL, but he didn’t tell anyone about the injury because he already had so many guys out of the lineup.
He’s also 21, and was 20 for a majority of the season. He had one of the 10 best seasons in Major League history for a 20-year old. Do you not realize that? He came up just short of a .400OBP. 12 other players have done that in history. 11 are in the Hall of Fame and the other is ARod. And let’s not ignore that Heyward was arguably the best defensive RF in the NL at this young age and is one of the better base runners in the league.
This isn’t even worth discussing. There isn’t a GM, scout, coach, etc. in professional baseball who would honestly take Madison Bumgarner over Jason Heyward. That’s just stupid. And let’s not even get into the fact that a pitcher is much, much, much more injury prone than a position player.
MadBum is a fine looking young pitcher, but to honestly take him over Jason Heyward? To quote NFL Sunday Countdown, “Come on, man!”
Scott Coleman - October 12, 2010
You got
JACKED UP!
a hooter's baby - October 12, 2010
During the off-season I’m going to work on not over-reacting to certain posts. It’ll help keep me calmer and help me stay out of heated arguments. In other words, to (hopefully) help me mature a bit more as a writer.
But when I read that they’d rather have Bumgarner over Heyward…well, I just can’t hold my fingers back.
Scott Coleman - October 12, 2010
hey, you’ve been watching heyward all year. we’ve been watching bumgarner all year. there will be differences of opinion, no doubt.
days like today are proof how invaluable a pitcher of bumgarners caliber are. that could have been madbum, so we call him, shutting us down and notching the win for you guys, evening out the series.
teams annually overpay for good young pitchers with good prospects, which is why i stand by madbum being the better pick for the giants.
its all up to discretion until we see how these players develop. considering how well we develop pitchers, id put my money on madbum to quickly rise to the NL’s Elite along with Lincecum, Cain and Sanchez. (i dont know much about your pitchers, any good young ones, other than hanson?)
as would i put my money on Heyward to rise the the NL’s Elite hitters, along with Posey.
giant4life83 - October 12, 2010
Your argument works...
for your team.
We shit Bumgarners out of our farm system year after year, so he just wouldn’t be as valuable to us…
-C
cthabeerman - October 12, 2010
This quote makes me smile.
Sam Jethroe - October 12, 2010
you said “There isn’t a GM, scout, coach, etc. in professional baseball who would honestly take Madison Bumgarner over Jason Heyward.”
we did. we took bumgarner over heyward. drafted by the same guys who drafted lincecum, posey, cain and sanchez.
giant4life83 - October 12, 2010
To be fair
Lincecum was also drafted in 2003 by the Cubs and in 2005 by the Indians.
I’ll give you Sanchez though. Good pick from the 27th round.
award6 - October 12, 2010
I believe he was talking about right now.
Based on what’s known about the two right now, not back when they were drafted.
Tarkus - October 12, 2010
He's talking about right now. Nearly half the league took someone over Heyward. So what's your point?
FitzFan - October 12, 2010
I'd definitely take Heyward.
Pitchers are way too prone to injury. I’d take a top everyday player any day, at least over the long haul.
Tarkus - October 12, 2010
i agree that pitchers are more prone to injury, but in Heywards case, he’s already been on the DL, at 20… wrist, was it? that’s def not a good sign.
it remains to be seen whether heyward will develop into a top 10 player- how the Braves handle him will be key
giant4life83 - October 12, 2010
He had a thumb injury.
That’s hardly cause for concern, nor any predictor for future injuries.
Look at Stephen Strasburg. For a couple months, people had him in the Hall of Fame, but now he’s probably out for at least a year. That’s what pitchers do. Heck, nine All-Stars this year previously had Tommy John surgery, including our own Tim Hudson. You rarely see those kind of injuries for position players, but for pitchers it’s fairly common. Kerry Woods, Mark Pryor, Mark Fidrych, the list goes on and on and on.
Tarkus - October 12, 2010
In regard to this series: I was proud of how our team was IN each game and could have won them.
We didn’t allow the Giants to run away with any of them. They all came down to the last at bat for each team.
About losing the series:
IF we were to be eliminated and not go all the way, I personally would rather it be the Giants than the dang Phillies.
NCChopper - October 11, 2010
the Giants don’t run away with games, most of the time. We built a 92 win season out of winning by 1-3 runs with every game- thats how the Giants are, they’ve been playing tight games all year.
We don’t score much, but our pitching allows less. We’ll take the Phils, I can only be confident.
giant4life83 - October 12, 2010
Well, because of the nice gesture to Bobby by your team (and Manager) last – I’ll be rooting for you all the way.
However, it will be checking the box score via my phone or computer because I can’t stomach watching the Phillies on a baseball field another game this year.
I hope even if you don’t win the NLCS, you at least take them the full series and make them struggle for each win so they will be tired for whomever they might face in the WS. I’ll root for the AL before I’ll root for the Phillies.
NCChopper - October 12, 2010
Hopefully all the Giants’ weak ground balls will find a way through against the Phillies too
alxn - October 11, 2010
too bad
the Phillies actually can play defense.
drumzalicious - October 11, 2010
I Feel
Sad, Angry, Cheated, Mad, Happy, Nostalgic…..So many emotions
Kineticist - October 11, 2010
Anyone
who would like to blame Bobby for our loss in the NLDS can go kick rocks. The only team aside from the Braves to have any sort of serious injury in the post-season is the Reds. Other than that the fact that we got as far as we did without our:
1. Closer
2. Setup Man
3. Lead-Off hitter since May
4. 3rd Baseman
Just says a lot about how great of a job Bobby and Wren did putting this team together and holding it together.
All I know is Bobby doesn’t swing the bats. He doesn’t catch the balls. Nor does he throw the pitches. It’s not his fault we lost. Period.
drumzalicious - October 11, 2010
let us not be
blindly faithful fans like the cubs fans.
Kineticist - October 11, 2010
let us not
blame someone for things they cannot control.
drumzalicious - October 11, 2010
tu che
Kineticist - October 11, 2010
meant touché
Kineticist - October 11, 2010
He was largely responsible for blowing game 3.
The guy is great, and I appreciate what he’s done for the organization overall, but he isn’t immune to criticism just because he’s retiring.
get swoll yunel - October 12, 2010
+0.75
Kineticist - October 12, 2010
So...
when do we get to non-tender Melky? Do we technically have to wait, or can Frank Wren let him know now?
Scott Coleman - October 11, 2010
Um, hopefully about 15 mins ago....
DolphinNation - October 11, 2010
i love Diaz
but I think we should say goodbye to him too. The Braves will never give him a shot at a full-time role and there are cheaper 4th outfielders out there
drumzalicious - October 11, 2010
Agreed.
get swoll yunel - October 11, 2010
Like who?
FitzFan - October 12, 2010
What would be really funny
Is if they didn’t even let him back in the clubhouse. “Nope! Hold it right there.”
-InsertWittyNameHere- - October 11, 2010
lol +1
Braves24 - October 11, 2010
Wren already took care of that.
Wren: “Sorry Melky, but its not working out. You are no longer on the Atlanta Braves”
Melky: “Well, can I at least stop by every once in a while for food?”
Braves24 - October 11, 2010
Ahaha
Awesome
-InsertWittyNameHere- - October 11, 2010
this
will be the most exciting part of the offseason…
forgotten_glory - October 11, 2010
I'm already planning a Front Page post.
Scott Coleman - October 12, 2010
i look forward to it
forgotten_glory - October 12, 2010
I'm wiping tears as we speak,
but just wanted to stop in to say thanks to everyone here at TC. I’ve been a Braves fan since I was a kid, but was unable to really follow them after TBS stopped showing the games. This year I found MLB.tv and this blog and it has been an awesome year. There are so many great people here that just make this a fun place to be. I just wanted to say thanks to everyone, and I can’t wait until next year.
And of course, thanks for everything Bobby. It’s hard to imagine the Braves without you.
Cayla - October 11, 2010
This
I said it earlier. I can’t even remember the last time #6 wasn’t in the dugout for a game.
DolphinNation - October 11, 2010
Game 2
Aaron Meier - October 12, 2010 via mobile
LOL!
Tarkus - October 12, 2010
Chipper lying on the ground in pain, Conrad celebrating after beating Cincy, McClelland signaling that it was indeed a home run, Jason Heyward making Turner Field rock. It’s been a crazy year.
MBL1 - October 11, 2010 via mobile
yea
Heyward.
Enjoy the offseason kid. We need you to stay hot through October next year
drumzalicious - October 11, 2010
He needs to fix some holes in his swing
And hopefully can come out as our #3 next year
AND: DLEE or Freddie nexy year?
KINGSLYTUT - October 11, 2010
Free Freddie!!
DolphinNation - October 11, 2010
Being healthy will help.
Tarkus - October 11, 2010
honestly?
I would trade Freeman for a young RH Bat under control for the next 4 years at least.
drumzalicious - October 11, 2010
I would like to see us offer Arbitration to DLEE
If he doesn’t accept we get picks
If he does accept we have a nice 1B all next year…I think Freeman could stay down another year is this is a possible senario
KINGSLYTUT - October 11, 2010
he would be too expensive.
they are already cutting pay roll.
drumzalicious - October 11, 2010
Some of the stuff
I read on this site make me wonder…
Kineticist - October 12, 2010
Jason vs Freddy has a nice ring to it.
Jason and Freddy could be a scary combo. We just need a PInhead to join them.
Broccoman - October 12, 2010
No doubt
Plus we need to get healthy (Odarp, Chipper, Meds, JJ) and get Freeman entrenched at 1B.
DolphinNation - October 11, 2010
yep
that lineup and even if our pitching is 1/2 as good as this year, we are automatically a top team
nuftjedi - October 11, 2010
Just gotta fill the holes in the lineup
CF ?
Odarp – 2B
Chipper – 3B
McCann – C
LF ?
Heyward – RF
Freeman – 1B
SS ?
Pitcher
DolphinNation - October 11, 2010
Infante as backup / platoon at third.... we're gonna need it.
SuperNewb - October 11, 2010
I like Infante as the super-util guy
DolphinNation - October 11, 2010
We just need to clone Infante at least twice. Then, no matter what happens to our infield starters, we’re good.
Aaron Meier - October 12, 2010 via mobile
I'd be shocked if we didn't pick up Gonzo's option
it’s cheap and there is nothing available that’s much better on the free agent market
leedawg - October 11, 2010
indeed
im quite confused why people are so eager to get rid of him.
drumzalicious - October 11, 2010
I'm not saying going out on the FA market
I just think we can fill that void in house.
DolphinNation - October 11, 2010
That would be
Because he sucks. Really really badly.
personally I’m aware of the reality that we have no choice but to keep him, but it doesn’t change my desire be rid of him forever.
J-Freak - October 11, 2010
His bat is terrible, but he’s still got a quality glove and we have no viable in house options to replace him… yet.
I think we’ll for sure pick up the cheap option.
get swoll yunel - October 11, 2010
Once again: we’ll pick up the option because we have no choice, unless we want to field Jeff Porter there. But that doesn’t mean he deserves to play, per se. I’d just as soon be rid of him if any other options present themselves this postseason. But they won’t.
J-Freak - October 11, 2010
They’re aren’t really many slick fielding SS with quality bats out there, though. We had one, but we got rid of him because he didn’t do things the “Braves way”.
Desiring something and actually being able to acquire something are different animals. Teams are not going to deal away quality SS unless it is for haul.
get swoll yunel - October 11, 2010
You mean like play hard, run hard, be a team guy?
Tarkus - October 11, 2010
Yunel was just a huge flake. The Braves have always prided themselves on having a team full of stoic pros who aren’t prone to doing anything out of line, and Yunel just didn’t fit the mold at all.
It’s a shame because the guy was hugely talented and entering his prime, but what are you gonna do?
get swoll yunel - October 11, 2010
Agreed.
Loved the talent, hated the space between his ears.
Tarkus - October 11, 2010
Honestly...what about Mycal Jones?
He can’t be as bad as Gonzalez was the last month of the season, both in the field and at the plate.
DolphinNation - October 11, 2010
I think he's probably about 2 years away
leedawg - October 11, 2010
What about that Andrus kid?
Oh wait…he’s in Texas…FML
DolphinNation - October 11, 2010
Andrus doesn’t really have much of a stick, either.
get swoll yunel - October 11, 2010
True
BUT he has outstanding speed and is a top 3 SS defender(Tulo/Reyes)
KINGSLYTUT - October 11, 2010
he's 22
with outstanding defense
Braves24 - October 11, 2010
Sure, he’s young, but he’s never really shown flashes of being that great of a hitter and he regressed considerably this year at the plate.
The guy has Luis Castillo power. It’s just non-existent.
Anything over a .700 OPSish for his career would be a surprise to me. This is essentially what Sea Bass gives you.
get swoll yunel - October 11, 2010
Looking at the numbers, I don’t know if it’s fair to say he “regressed considerably” at the plate… his walk rate was actually up this season. It’s just that the .301 slugging % he put up is pretty horrific. And he gets caught stealing too often for his SBs to actually be a benefit. Maybe he was playing hurt…?
The above should read “.700ish” OPS btw.
get swoll yunel - October 11, 2010
Yeah, the .301 slugging % in that ballpark is scary.
dunnytwogloves - October 12, 2010
He's a Sally bat. Don't miss him at all.
FitzFan - October 12, 2010
in other words
he is a weaker version of Gonzalez
drumzalicious - October 12, 2010
At this point in both of their careers, Andrus is the superior defender (although not by a whole lot) and Gonzalez gives you considerably more pop while making a lot more outs.
Andrus could potentially improve at the plate of course, but the upgrade he would give us over Sea Bass is not so dramatic that we should be pulling our hair out or anything.
get swoll yunel - October 12, 2010
A-Gonz
D has been nothing short of spectacular. Yes. Yes. And once more yes. pick up his option.
Kineticist - October 12, 2010
ss = A-gon...right? signed till end of next year
Kineticist - October 11, 2010
He's has a $2.5 million option for 2011.
I think we keep him. I know he started pressing and tried to do too much in September, but he was the RBI leader for the team in August.
The small amount of money makes it worth the risk.
AnEternalEnigma - October 11, 2010
That is a really effin cheap
option for that kinda glove. IMO
Kineticist - October 11, 2010
All of the sudden turned from
Must watch Braves all day…to must check Braves sites to see if any offseason rumors time
KINGSLYTUT - October 11, 2010
Mlbtraderumors
Kineticist - October 11, 2010
Hot damn.
How many westerns has Bruce Bochy been in?
Creek Johnson - October 11, 2010
First of the Bobby videos on MLB.com
http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=12809255&topic_id=14871770&c_id=mlb
SuperNewb - October 11, 2010
I wonder what would have happened if we had a healthy roster for this postseason, but we will never know. Thanks for everything Bobby, you’re the man!
Buffalo Braves - October 11, 2010
I've been wondering for awhile.
I hate to be one of those guys, but I really think we would’ve won. Every time I read a Giant’s fan post “OMG we just beat the best home team in the MLB!” I gotta talk myself out of responding. This just ain’t the same team.
Creek Johnson - October 11, 2010
AMEN
schlagdawg - October 11, 2010
I mean
1. Prado 2B
2. Heyward RF
3. Chipper Jones 3B
4. Derrick Lee 1B
5. Brian McCann C
6. Nate McLouth LF
7. Alex Gonzalez
8. Rick Ankiel
9. Pitcher.
Looks pretty nice to me.
drumzalicious - October 11, 2010
I want Ankiel nowhere near Atlanta next year
KINGSLYTUT - October 11, 2010
he said
healthy lineup for this post season.
drumzalicious - October 11, 2010
oh i see
KINGSLYTUT - October 11, 2010
I could take Ankiel for minimum, compete for roster spot type deal, as the 5th OF/defensive replacement.
Not for his option.
Broccoman - October 12, 2010
Would some time spent with Chipper, at a leisurely pace working on his swing,make him worth keeping just for his defense alone? if he could find a way to make contact more often, he could be a heck of an asset to this team.
If Chipper can get Nate to start hitting the ball, he can help anyone.
NCChopper - October 12, 2010
Infante probably would've been a better OF option than McLouth
deewill23 - October 11, 2010
not if McLouth returns to his career norm
Braves24 - October 11, 2010
Whew
That seems like it would take a miracle. He looks broken.
-InsertWittyNameHere- - October 11, 2010
recently yes, but before we made the playoffs it looked like he turned a corner
Braves24 - October 11, 2010
Yeah, definitely. Hopefully that means he’s not really broken and it would take little to get him back on track. Unfortunately, sometimes that takes a change of scenery.
-InsertWittyNameHere- - October 11, 2010
the thing about Nate
is that his ceiling is an all-star and gold glover
that makes it hard to just cut him loose vs. someone that has a ceiling of just being serviceable.
nuftjedi - October 11, 2010
If he was doing good before we made the playoffs, then why would he need a change of scenery? I understand what you are saying but why would we dump him when he was starting to turn things around?
Braves24 - October 11, 2010
I don’t think we should, not at all. I’ve just seen it before too many times that as soon as a guy switched teams he gets back on track (Yunel).
-InsertWittyNameHere- - October 11, 2010
Very nice
But would we still have gone after Lee if Chipper never went down?
kd8698 - October 12, 2010
I think so. We could have played Prado there with Omar at second, I guess, but it was obvious Troy wasn’t going to come around and we’d need someone.
Sarahbeth - October 12, 2010
For as much as Bobby is a "player's coach"
he sure did give up on Glaus pretty damn quick
Kineticist - October 12, 2010
circa 3 months ago
Kineticist - October 12, 2010
Really?? Because it seemed to me like he gave up on him at the end of August…so basically 5 or 6 weeks ago…
dunnytwogloves - October 12, 2010
I think we would have gone to the NLCS if we only had Prado back. We could have won it all if we had Chipper, Meds and Billy Wags healthy too. I truly believe it.
Sarahbeth - October 12, 2010
Bobby was the last piece
The Pirates’ curse is now lifted
a hooter's baby - October 11, 2010
eh???
TurnerTheBurner - October 11, 2010
I'm running low of tissues...
Seriously
SuperNewb - October 11, 2010
are those happy tissues or sad tissues?
bpk228480 - October 11, 2010
nice reference
leedawg - October 11, 2010
You disgust me.
Scott Coleman - October 12, 2010
All these positive attitudes
Is no one as depressed as i am?
Kineticist - October 11, 2010
We are
we just know what we had to go through to even get this far
Richie Grogan - October 11, 2010
Yup and I do to,
but I just thought this year would be different
Kineticist - October 11, 2010
I'm surprisingly not that mad.
I think I let it all out yesterday. I was so damn pissed last night.
Scott Coleman - October 11, 2010
this
leedawg - October 11, 2010
look at the bright side
you’re not an Alabama fan as well… I think this been the worst sports weekend ever for me
Richie Grogan - October 11, 2010
you've had a bad weekend
I’ve had a bad month…….
leedawg - October 11, 2010
lol
My Wildcats lost on Satuday night…but who cares? COLLEGE HOOPS IN LESS THAN A MONTH!
Scott Coleman - October 12, 2010
But my Crimonoles
De-Fucking-Stroyed those fake pansy wanna be hurracanes
Kineticist - October 12, 2010
Nebraska...
is going to own Texas on Saturday.
Potential undefeated season if they do it…don’t want to look too far ahead, but they’re looking good.
-C
cthabeerman - October 12, 2010
Texas isn't Texas this year..but,
fun fact.
MacK Brown played for FLA ST.
Kineticist - October 12, 2010
this...
Hektor DiPaula - October 11, 2010
WOW
I was the EXACT same way…I’ve been as mad as I’ve ever been during a sporting event as I have ever been
KINGSLYTUT - October 11, 2010
sadly, this
I was at peace with the series before today’s game…
award6 - October 12, 2010
ok, think of it this way
how many times does a manager actually make the playoffs in his last season?
Remember how Lou Pinellia’s last game was? He got crushed by us at Wrigley
TurnerTheBurner - October 11, 2010
I’m not depressed because I know what potential this team had, but this wasn’t THAT team playing which just makes me hopeful for the future.
the only sad part is saying goodbye to Bobby.
nuftjedi - October 11, 2010
It was a very good season
With all the pieces that we lost throughout the season, I try to be as positive as possible. Not the way I wanted to see Bobby go out, but he did all he could, and I commend him for a great career. Tough way to go out, but I don’t let myself get too depressed when a guy’s hall of fame career is over, let’s talk about the positives!
KJDH2154 - October 11, 2010
I am.
Hard to lose, ever. Especially in games we could’ve won. If I thought they were CLEARLY the better team (more than 1-run wins) I would tip my hat and move on. But I feel like each game was our’s for the taking.
Creek Johnson - October 11, 2010
I root for a Les Miles-coached team. I have learned to accept and embrace all that the sports world brings.
AllSaintsDay - October 11, 2010
FW - Please get Fredi Gonzalez on the phone
KJDH2154 - October 11, 2010
I imagine it's already done.
There’s a reason why he wouldn’t even interview for the Cubs job.
Tarkus - October 11, 2010
NICE!
So far very few comments about how Shitty Bobby/Conrad/Offense are…
KINGSLYTUT - October 11, 2010
When the hell did Cody Ross become a Braves killer? lol
I guess the Giants always HAVE to have one.
Chief Noc-A-Homa - October 11, 2010
well he is a former Marlin
which would explain it
nuftjedi - October 11, 2010
i know this
but we always shut him down as a Marlin
Chief Noc-A-Homa - October 11, 2010
the potential is always there
nuftjedi - October 11, 2010
I say we sign Ross in the offseason if he’s non-tendered. Way better option than Melky or Diaz.
NCBraves - October 11, 2010
maybe it’s because he looked like such a puchover without the beard.
Chief Noc-A-Homa - October 11, 2010
lol
pushover.
Fuck you, Cody.
Chief Noc-A-Homa - October 11, 2010
Ross is in the Giants plans as starting RF next year, or so Sabean has said. You guys I think would do well to sign a big FA to anchor the OF, go along with Heyward.
giant4life83 - October 12, 2010
Yeah as obvious a weakness as that is
I wouldn’t be surprised if we fail to neglect these issue again. Our FO is sketchy as hell.
Creek Johnson - October 12, 2010
our FO is sketchy too, though they have made some killer deals over the last year and do very well in the draft.
yet zito, rowand, renteria, derosa eat up nearly half our payroll, or $45 mil. none of them have any role on the team in the playoffs (or even in the season, other than zito, who has sucked, to put it nicely) only renteria is off the books next year. we are stuck with $30mil in sunk costs of zito (til 2013) and rowand (2012)
giant4life83 - October 12, 2010
like
5 years ago…
forgotten_glory - October 11, 2010
i feel bad
for not trading for Ross. It’s like he was mad at us for not wanting him lol
drumzalicious - October 12, 2010
it’s funny, we only ended up with Ross to block SD, he fell into our laps, earned the RF job over 5 other OFs, and whaddya know? He’s an awesome dude, one of my fav Giants.
We really put together a scrappy team, Huff, Burrell, Torres (all had great years too). I’m surprised my Giants went as far as they have, after all, Bengie Molina was hitting cleanup on opening day. shivers
giant4life83 - October 12, 2010
What’s the plan for DeRosa?
Completely forgot he was playing for you guys at the beginning of the year.
award6 - October 12, 2010
i dont know. we havent begun our rosterbation yet (for obvious reasons)
i assume he will be super-utility IF/OF? he pretty much fucked us this year, we signed him, then flappy tendons, so idk what the teams’ plans for him are.
there’s not a man i’d leave off the 25-man we have right now, so i have no idea where he’d fit in. not to mention the team is probably going to sign a big FA to get over the hump (into the WS) so that’s 2 roster spots that would have to go.
DeRosa is a class act, truly, i think he would retire and coach for us before taking some who deserves the spot more
giant4life83 - October 12, 2010
THANK YOU 2010 BRAVES
For a season nobody will ever fucking forget… Best since 1995.
SuperNewb - October 11, 2010
On the bright side
This could very well be the best series of the postseason
KINGSLYTUT - October 11, 2010
only prob is it leaves kind of a bad taste
we could have still taken it. we just didn’t. the umps shoved the momentum a few times throughout the series.
managers need a red flag for one challenge a game.
Chief Noc-A-Homa - October 11, 2010
managers need a red flag for one challenge
a gamean inning.Tarkus - October 11, 2010
At the rate Emmel was going, yeah pretty much.
J-Freak - October 11, 2010
by far. all one run games? check. extra innings HR? check. late game comebacks? check. great pitching performances? check.
list goes on…
giant4life83 - October 12, 2010
we are going to kick so much ass next year.
NCBraves - October 11, 2010
that's the spirit
nuftjedi - October 11, 2010
95+ wins next year. Plus Heyward’s first MVP.
NCBraves - October 11, 2010
Lets not get ahead of ourselves
KINGSLYTUT - October 11, 2010
I can see us getting 95 wins
…Heyward will get MVP in another year or two once he fixes his swing some.
deewill23 - October 11, 2010
Heyward’s gotta learn how to hit the lefties first.
I love the kid and he’s going to be great, but he has no chance against the quality LOOGYs right now.
get swoll yunel - October 11, 2010
Braves Live
Is showing a best moments of the season montage. Big time goosebumps!
-InsertWittyNameHere- - October 11, 2010
fuuuuck tape it!!!
SuperNewb - October 11, 2010
You got it
-InsertWittyNameHere- - October 11, 2010
thank god
SuperNewb - October 11, 2010
What station?
Kineticist - October 11, 2010
It was on FSS
-InsertWittyNameHere- - October 11, 2010
So... can you upload this?
SuperNewb - October 12, 2010
I'm trying
I’m transferring it from my Tivo to my computer. It’s in HD and the whole recording is 3 gigs so it’s taking a while. I should have it ready by tomorrow. Where do you think I should post it?
-InsertWittyNameHere- - October 12, 2010
Hmmm... I have no idea... somewhere we can get to it that isn't overly stalked by copyright people?
Metacafe or DailyMotion?
SuperNewb - October 12, 2010
Ok
I’ll keep you guys posted
-InsertWittyNameHere- - October 12, 2010
sweeeet
award6 - October 12, 2010
Ok boys and girls
The video is up as a FanShot. You can also find it here.
-InsertWittyNameHere- - October 12, 2010
You guys wanna bet that FW’s phone will be ringing with offers for D-Lowe now? He has kicked ass since he made his adjustments.
NCBraves - October 11, 2010
I want rasmus
Kineticist - October 11, 2010
If we’re gonna trade with the Cards I’ll take Pujols. LOL
NCBraves - October 11, 2010
I wouldnt trade him.
Jurrjens though . . . .
drumzalicious - October 11, 2010
Lest we forget
D-lowe will be one of the highest paid 40 year old pitchers ever
Kineticist - October 11, 2010
True….but dude has never been on the DL. No injury history to speak of and seems to have gotten better, a lot better, late this season.
NCBraves - October 11, 2010
Man Lowe was money tonight....off topic
Kineticist - October 11, 2010
Yep
He earned every penny this last month or so
-InsertWittyNameHere- - October 11, 2010
Not to mention
he’s our best big game pitcher
Richie Grogan - October 11, 2010
you wouldn't trade Lowe? what?
Braves24 - October 11, 2010
I would
Thats a steep price tag
Kineticist - October 11, 2010
i mean
if we do we will have only Hudson and Hanson with any type of mileage on their arms to pitch deep enough into next season. Jurrjens didnt pitch a full season, Minor was done in August and Beachy hasnt had a full season as a starter either.
drumzalicious - October 12, 2010
The new Stock Xchange mantra
Buy High, Sell even Higher.
Kineticist - October 12, 2010
Dammit
I wanted to rob the Phillies of the East crown soooooo bad.
Creek Johnson - October 11, 2010
next year young padawn.....
Hektor DiPaula - October 11, 2010
next year
this team is definitely on the upswing and after this year that is going to make them very scary
nuftjedi - October 11, 2010
I hope so.
I really hope Heyward isn’t one of those guys that’s never healthy throughout his career. He has way too much potential.
Creek Johnson - October 11, 2010
MLB Network is doing a big detailed analysis of Conrad's 9th inning Game 3 error
And they are totally ripping the 2B umpire for standing right in front of Conrad.
AnEternalEnigma - October 11, 2010
I noticed that exactly when it happened.
He was right in front of him. We didn’t get any favors this series, and still made it close.
Creek Johnson - October 11, 2010
Shitty excuse
any MLB infielder should be able to make that play
KINGSLYTUT - October 11, 2010
That's the problem
I love Brooks for what he did with the bat but he has a sub-major league glove
Richie Grogan - October 11, 2010
My season prediction was pretty much right on...
Take the Phillies down to the wire, edge out a wild card victory and get beat in the NLDS…. I win!
SuperNewb - October 11, 2010
Bully.
Here’s your prize.
J-Freak - October 11, 2010
yyyyaaaaayyyyyyyyyyy!!!!!
SuperNewb - October 11, 2010
Last .gif of the season
Bye Bobby
schlagdawg - October 11, 2010
green
DolphinNation - October 11, 2010
I'm glad Chipper didn't leave too
That’d be too much to take at once.
Creek Johnson - October 11, 2010
BIGGER GOAT
Emmel > Conrad
Creek Johnson - October 11, 2010
Brooks will always be the man. Emmel is a worthless piece of shit.
NCBraves - October 11, 2010
And we at least know Brooks' intentions.
Emmel…
Creek Johnson - October 11, 2010
You do realize
GOAT=Greatest of All Time. So neither
Kineticist - October 12, 2010
um no
BullManUGA - October 12, 2010
uhhhh it CAN mean that.
But I’m obviously going with the other definition.
Creek Johnson - October 12, 2010
I’m going to start praying nightly for a few things for 2011:
1. Ryan Howard eats too much Subway
2. Chase Utley breaks his vagina
3. Halladay needs Tommy John early in ’11.
Not a lot to ask for right?
NCBraves - October 11, 2010
Hilarious
-InsertWittyNameHere- - October 11, 2010
Fuck the Phillies
for assembling the most hyped pitching staff by trading for em like pokemon cards.
Creek Johnson - October 11, 2010
So many questions about the logistics of number 2…..
schlagdawg - October 11, 2010
Why else would his wife be stepping out with Caveman?
NCBraves - October 11, 2010
No, not the ownership issue, the breaking issue…
schlagdawg - October 11, 2010
I saw it somewhere in a medical journal. It’s only possible for candy ass Phillies 2nd basemen.
NCBraves - October 11, 2010
You didn't ask for enough...
Add:
4. Victorino goes back to Hawaii and Hawaii secedes from the US, thus Victorino can’t get back.
5. Charlie Manuel goes to Arizona and gets deported because he has a Mexican sounding last name.
6. Brad Lidge beats himself up, Overdoses on amphetamines, jumps off a bridge and chokes himself.
kp.atl - October 11, 2010
Not sure about no.6, but I’m down with 4 and 5!
Also,
Carlos Ruiz finally gets busted for smuggling cocaine.
NCBraves - October 11, 2010
It was my failed attempt at a Boondocks reference...
It was actually towards an ump in the show.
kp.atl - October 11, 2010
This is one of the funnier things I’ve read in a while. Just as good as the “Placido Polanco…he’s a pussy” line from the other day.
Scott Coleman - October 12, 2010
Their whole team
can eat a dick
a hooter's baby - October 12, 2010
I have to question Bobby once right now
In the 7th when Posey hit that weak grounder to Glaus for a 1B right after that Bobby pulls him out for Diory, who porbably could have made that play with his speed and much better D than Glaus
Why didn’t he pull Glaus out after our AB and put in Diory to start off the inning? Instead of wait for it…?
KINGSLYTUT - October 11, 2010
Because Bobby's not perfect.
And we love him anyway.
SuperNewb - October 11, 2010
Damn right! I’m going to miss the old man! It’s like losing a family member! Come on Kid!
NCBraves - October 11, 2010
Still
I think that would’ve been a better move
KINGSLYTUT - October 11, 2010
Hindsight's 20/20
Richie Grogan - October 11, 2010
Speaking of which
Did you read Rob Neyer’s piece calling out Bobby? What a jerk. Completely based on hindsight.
Creek Johnson - October 11, 2010
No I missed it
Could you link it?
Richie Grogan - October 11, 2010
Fans of all teams call Neyer out for being a jerk in the comments section.
http://espn.go.com/blog/sweetspot/post/_/id/5751/bobby-cox-does-what-he-thinks-he-has-to-do
Creek Johnson - October 11, 2010
Thanks
Now I remember why I don’t read his stuff
Richie Grogan - October 11, 2010
I’m still not convinced that he ISN’T Christopher Titus writing under a pen name.
J-Freak - October 11, 2010
That’s a crock of shit. Do you really think no one out in the wider world was wondering what the blue fuck Conrad was still doing out there with a measley three outs to get and a better glove on the bench?
I am sick and tired of people throwing around “hindsight”, “monday morning quarterbacking” and “second guessing” as terms to justify any manager making any bad decision they might make and being allowed to skate from any criticism of it.
Here’s the original piece. I linked it last night, too. I don’t read Neyer a lot but it’s dead on the money.
http://espn.go.com/blog/sweetspot/post/_/id/5735/braves-conrad-shouldnt-have-been-there
Sam Jethroe - October 11, 2010
Honestly thought he was going to pinch run for him in the bottom of the 6th when he reached on the fielders choice.
bpk228480 - October 11, 2010
He pulled Glaus for the double switch.
Tarkus - October 11, 2010
why
didnt bobby not play conrad in the field at all?
hindsight
drumzalicious - October 12, 2010
Dream offseason - call me crazy
1 – Trade KK for Figgins to play CF and bat leadoff
2 – Trade DLowe to cut some payroll (get prospects in return) so we can acquire Carl Crawford via FA – 5 years, $80 million
Figgins – CF
Crawford – LF
Chipper – 3B
McCann – C
Heyward – RF
Prado – 2B
Freeman – 1B
Gonzalez – SS
Pitcher
DolphinNation - October 11, 2010
whats our rotation in this scenario?
Huddy
Hanson
Jurrjens
Beachy
Minor
???
NCBraves - October 11, 2010
Yep, with Teheran
a year away…and Delgado not too far behind him.
Also…I guess in looking at that lineup it’s fairly LH dominant, but still. That would solidify the OF and upgrade the defense significantly.
DolphinNation - October 11, 2010
I’m down. Nice job Frank!
NCBraves - October 11, 2010
Notice I said "dream" offseason
I doubt the ol’ folks at Liberty would allow FW to get this done.
DolphinNation - October 11, 2010
Look, I already said I liked it! No turning back now. I’ll chip in a few bucks to make it work!
NCBraves - October 11, 2010
Since when is Chone Figgins a good option at playing CF?
get swoll yunel - October 12, 2010
Since he’s worlds better than McLouth.
NCBraves - October 12, 2010
Not really. They were almost equally abysmal at the plate this year and Chone Figgins is an atrocious defensive CF. McLouth isn’t great out there but he isn’t terrible either.
If your rationale is that Figgins is due to rebound next season because he just had an off year, then why can’t the same be said for McLouth. They both have track records of success and fell off cliffs this season.
Considering that we’re stuck with McLouth’s contract either way, I’m not really seeing any sort of upgrade that Figgins could provide in CF. In the infield, maybe, nut not in center.
get swoll yunel - October 12, 2010
You had me at Dream offseason
but you quickly lost me at
1 – Trade KK for Figgins to play CF and bat leadoff
Kineticist - October 12, 2010
No words... just...
SuperNewb - October 11, 2010
Well done sir!
NCBraves - October 11, 2010
Didn’t always agree with you, but love how you approached the game, spikes and all.
ryantex - October 11, 2010
Goodbye Bobby
sniff
nuftjedi - October 11, 2010
Has Fredi been announced yet?
NCBraves - October 11, 2010
Give it until morning.
Tarkus - October 11, 2010
Sorry. I’m impatient. Ready to get 2011 rocking and rolling!
NCBraves - October 11, 2010
Not till after the postseason
Kineticist - October 11, 2010
I'll miss Bobby, But I can't wait for the F. Gonzalez era to begin!!!!
KJDH2154 - October 11, 2010
yessssssssssssss
Kineticist - October 11, 2010
Selig encourages clubs not to make big announcements during the playoffs.
Keep your eyes open the day after the World Series ends.
AnEternalEnigma - October 11, 2010
he also is against replay
screw him :)
nuftjedi - October 11, 2010
I hate it when attention whores like A-Rod try to turn the World Series spotlight on themselves, but I see no issue with a team announcing a personnel decision. Those don’t create the media circus that guys like A-Rod do.
J-Freak - October 11, 2010
I hope the
Giants beat the ever living SHIT OUT OF THE PHILLIES
Kineticist - October 11, 2010
I’d root for anyone against the Phaillies.
NCBraves - October 11, 2010
ABP
Anybody but Philly
nuftjedi - October 11, 2010
I'm undecided if it's the Yankees.
AllSaintsDay - October 11, 2010
That would be an obvious meteor game for me.
schlagdawg - October 11, 2010
I had to make that call last year
and I HAAAAATE the Yankees, but them winning just another one wasn’t nearly as bad as the Phillies so I went with them.
nuftjedi - October 11, 2010
The DH is the tie-breaker.
Tarkus - October 11, 2010
Always against the Phillies
No exceptions.
ryantex - October 11, 2010
This
kauf67 - October 12, 2010
The way I look at it
Another WS title for Philly in 3 seasons would just leave me pissed off and bitter. Whether it’s reasonable or not, I was disgusted when the Marlins won a second title after only making the playoffs two times in their entire history (both wild cards at that). For the Braves to only win one in 14 tries while the Marlins pull a couple titles out of their ass only to immediately dismantle the team just drove me crazy. It will drive me equally crazy if the Phillies are able to get 2 titles in 3 tries. And their fans are bastards. No way I can pull for them.
I hate the Yankees as much as a the next guy, but another title for them (28 I think it would make it) would just be old hat for them. It’s expected. At this point, I’m not even sure how satisfying it is for them as fans considering their history of success and because they outspend everyone to such an absurd degree that winning a title isn’t even really that impressive.
Yanks all the way if comes down to the meteor match up.
get swoll yunel - October 12, 2010
this
forgotten_glory - October 12, 2010
From the Twitterworld
AllSaintsDay - October 11, 2010
Because we don't have enough Bobby pics, the scaled version...
AllSaintsDay - October 11, 2010
Well, I’d managed not to cry yet, but I sure as hell am now.
J-Freak - October 11, 2010
Good night all
I’ll be around. I tend to find some interesting things so you’ll be hearing from me…until then
Richie Grogan - October 11, 2010
One guy that needs to be here in 2011:
ERIC F’N HINSKE. He needs to be given a lifetime contract.
AnEternalEnigma - October 11, 2010
+10000000000
KJDH2154 - October 11, 2010
Also, his middle name probably is F'N.....being a badass like he is!
KJDH2154 - October 11, 2010
He needs to get traded if he's going to make the WS
SuperNewb - October 11, 2010
Don't take that the wrong way
It was a joke… I meant if he’s going to make it this year to keep the streak up
SuperNewb - October 11, 2010
How about 2 decades of dissapointment,
but then again, I’m a cynic.
Kineticist - October 11, 2010
DOB
SuperNewb - October 11, 2010
Because Melky had already eaten the post-game spread?
NCBraves - October 11, 2010
Awesome
Damn near green-worthy
Sam Jethroe - October 11, 2010
+1
I needed a good laugh after these past 2 games.
Thanks
leedawg - October 11, 2010
Good night all
You guys rock. We’ll be talking soon.
DolphinNation - October 11, 2010
Not soon enough
Kineticist - October 11, 2010
But hey theres always Black Ops to keep
me occupied till april….
Kineticist - October 11, 2010
1 more month...
I’ve never been this excited for a game…until MLB the Show 2011(I’m a college student on a budget and I still need this game haha)
KINGSLYTUT - October 11, 2010
If anybody is looking to be reminded of good news....
Top story on MLBtraderumors:
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2010/10/jones-plans-to-return-next-season.html
SuperNewb - October 11, 2010
woo, back to making mets fans cry!
MBL1 - October 12, 2010 via mobile
this time next year
the beers at the celebration party are on me
nuftjedi - October 11, 2010
i will remember this...haha
forgotten_glory - October 12, 2010
If Giants/Phils win the WS
They better get on their knees and “thank” Brian McCann
a hooter's baby - October 11, 2010
McCann?
Creek Johnson - October 12, 2010
For home field advantage
SuperNewb - October 12, 2010
gotcha.
I was trying to remember any boneheaded play he made this series. But of course there were none.
Creek Johnson - October 12, 2010
and Prado
drumzalicious - October 12, 2010
Does anyone feel like I do?
I’m really thankful for this season and all the amazing memories this team gave me. From walking back from class finding out that Jason hit a HR in this first major league at-bat, to watching Ankiel hit one into the water, it’s been such a great ride. No, we didn’t win the World Series, but I think the injuries we’ve been plagued with here at the end were just too much to overcome, even for this team. We fought hard all year and never gave up, and I’ve never seen a team with so much heart. Sadly, I think reality hit us in the end. I don’t want to blame Brooks Conrad, I don’t want to blame anyone, really. I’m so proud of them and Bobby is too.
Thank you, Braves.
tomahawklove - October 11, 2010
I feel just like you do
I am absolutely Proud to be a Braves fan
nuftjedi - October 11, 2010
Well said
ryantex - October 11, 2010
+1
Thank you Braves.
kd8698 - October 11, 2010
You know this already, but
I feel exactly the same way.
Sarahbeth - October 12, 2010
Just watched that FSN of Bobby.
it was so sad.
And I Quote, “A grown man shouldn’t do this,” //Bobby with tears
Kineticist - October 12, 2010
We should have a thread to put up links for picture / videos of bobby tribute stuff....
SuperNewb - October 12, 2010
There is a FanPost posted. http://www.talkingchop.com/2010/10/11/1746087/bobby-cox-tribute-thread
NCChopper - October 12, 2010
Gondeee
can we have a Bobby Cox tribute post? with photos, quotes from fans, etc? Fans could email in stuff, or just post it in a thread…It would be so great.
MBL1 - October 12, 2010 via mobile
I seriously can't believe he's done.
This day seemed so far away when he first announced his intentions. I can’t believe it.
Creek Johnson - October 12, 2010
Is March 31 @ Nationals opening day?
SuperNewb - October 12, 2010
Heartbreaking
Even with the heartbreak, this was an amazing series. It was clouded with errors and numerous bad calls but every game decided by 1 run is pretty incredible. Watching Cox’s press conference after the game was almost too much. Thanks, Bobby. I’ll sure miss you.
pthatch - October 12, 2010
Will Terry last?
Will Snitker last?
Kineticist - October 12, 2010
I protest that
no they will not
Kineticist - October 12, 2010
No, No
but McDowell can stay. He’s been fantastic since Leo left.
Scott Coleman - October 12, 2010
Yup
Kineticist - October 12, 2010
Agree with this statement
TP better PRAY that Chipper can come back and play, or he’ll be replaced by Chipper as hitting coach by new manager (cross my fingers) Fredi Gonzalez
KJDH2154 - October 12, 2010
Absolutely not. TP has to go.
I really like the Jamie Dismuke guy that ended up a coach on the big team in September. He’s the guy that supposedly worked with McLouth and got him bashing the ball again. He was the AAA hitting coach.
AnEternalEnigma - October 12, 2010
Do you like Milt Thompson
or is he stained?
a hooter's baby - October 12, 2010
Nope
Chipper has already said he wants to become a hitting coach.
Naturally that will lead to being a Manager for 29 years on the Braves
drumzalicious - October 12, 2010
Can't believe it's over
both Bobby Cox’s career and the 2010 Braves’ season. While there were definitely many poignant moments of disappointments (and those do stood out), there were also many many more great moments of triumph, joy, and inspiration. I will try to just remember the latter.
LEastCoastBears - October 12, 2010
Thanks Bobby
you coached your ass of until the final out. I’m gonna miss you man
Shoert - October 12, 2010
Can i make my browser
stop auto scrolling when ever there is a new comment?
Kineticist - October 12, 2010
firefox
Kineticist - October 12, 2010
Yep, with FF, it refreshes but scroll stay put. I see new posts one at a time by hitting “z” on the keyboard.
NCChopper - October 12, 2010
I don't believe so.
Unless you turn off Auto-Refresh.
Tarkus - October 12, 2010
side topic: FU, folks @ LIberty
not only is Bobby gone, but so is Tooner Field. my son grew up horsin’ around out there. the crew was informed today that its being replaced by the outfield store, which will be replaced by outfield box seats, or some such nonsense. big stiffy up the middle, Braves ownership! way to think of the children, deuchenozzles!
and thanks, Bobby Cox, for all you have been and done for every player that has come through ATL. there’s a reason so many MLB players want to play here.
Go Braves!
thetennesseethumper - October 12, 2010
d
Kineticist - October 12, 2010
The last thing The Ted needs is more seats.
We couldn’t even fill up a do or die postseason game that was also our legendary manager’s final game.
That is embarrassing.
get swoll yunel - October 12, 2010
and me
i’m the ass who told his kid “this is post-season ball, we’ll go play there next year.”
thetennesseethumper - October 12, 2010
Tooner Field is a relic from when Time Warner owned the team, hence all the references to Turner’s Cartoon Network. I knew it was a matter of time after Time Warner sold the team that thing was going. Plus i hated it, its a hideous monstrosity that completely takes away from the charm of a ballpark. I don’t have kids though, so maybe i’m biased.
10-4 - October 12, 2010
And of course ESPN opens SportsCenter with week 5 MNF, NOT the baseball playoffs.
Get fucking real.
Scott Coleman - October 12, 2010
it wasn't even a good game
Creek Johnson - October 12, 2010
You still watch Sportscenter...
that’s like being on Myspace still.
kp.atl - October 12, 2010
MLBN?
Creek Johnson - October 12, 2010
Yep..
way better compared to ESPN’s trolls.
kp.atl - October 12, 2010
And I guess I'll go Nostradumbass here...
2011 Opening Day:
Prado
Heyward
Chipper
McCann
Rasmus
Gonzalez
Freeman
McLouth
I hope it’s better though.
Scott Coleman - October 12, 2010
I wouldn't bat rasmus that high
Kineticist - October 12, 2010
who would hit 5th then?
Freeman? Rookie.
Gonzalez? I’ll give up on Opening Day if that happens.
McLouth? LOL
Scott Coleman - October 12, 2010
No I like Rasmus there.
I hope we get him.
Creek Johnson - October 12, 2010
A-Gon
But thats just me
Kineticist - October 12, 2010
all of us are
monday managers.
Kineticist - October 12, 2010
No way.
Regardless of who we add, Gonzo and his trash OBP shouldn’t hit higher than 7th.
Scott Coleman - October 12, 2010
this
.294 Career OBP means he’s an auto-out.
Creek Johnson - October 12, 2010
Stats don't mean everything
Kineticist - October 12, 2010
Did he not look like a guy with a career .294 OBP at the plate to you?
Creek Johnson - October 12, 2010
Is it safe to assume Crawford and Werth are out of our reach?
Creek Johnson - October 12, 2010
If Chipper retires…or I guess if we trade Lowe.
Scott Coleman - October 12, 2010
Man, I would love Crawford in this lineup.
He would bring some speed the Braves haven’t had in awhile.
Creek Johnson - October 12, 2010
$100+M for speed
no thanks. I’ll take Werth.
Scott Coleman - October 12, 2010
Is that the tag you think?
Wow.
Creek Johnson - October 12, 2010
Well the Angels already told the world they’re gonna spend big and they have a ton of cash. The Yankees will surely be in the bidding. The Sox could add (and probably need) an OF. And then there’s always teams who come out of nowhere and enter the bidding to drive the price up.
Scott Coleman - October 12, 2010
Bleh.
I guess that’s how it goes.
Creek Johnson - October 12, 2010
crawford can hit..
speed + hitting + fielding. > >> all our outfielders.
radamez85 - October 12, 2010
bring on...
Bring on Freddi Gonzalez, Chone Figgins and a Jayson Werth, Crawford or Kemp…just do it..we have pitching for days.
radamez85 - October 12, 2010
yes
Kineticist - October 12, 2010
Are we talking about Colby Rasmus here?
Why would the Cardinals want to trade that guy?
What exactly would we give up to get him?
get swoll yunel - October 12, 2010
They’ve talked about trading him for months now. I’d be happy with him or Kemp.
Scott Coleman - October 12, 2010
Because they hate him.
Didn’t you hear all the controversy?
Creek Johnson - October 12, 2010
No, I’m afraid I haven’t. That’s interesting, though.
Him or Kemp would be great. I just would worry about the package it would take to pry one of them away.
get swoll yunel - October 12, 2010
I think a deal of Randall Delgado, either Dunn or EOF and then a guy like Tyler Pastornicky seems fair for Rasmus. A little less for Kemp.
Scott Coleman - October 12, 2010
No no nonononon
Kineticist - October 12, 2010
jair for rasmus
Kineticist - October 12, 2010
and nothing else
Kineticist - October 12, 2010
Maybe last year…not now.
Scott Coleman - October 12, 2010
Wishfull thinking right
Its rosterbation time baby
Kineticist - October 12, 2010
Shot in the dark
mvhsbball=mainValleyHighSchoolBaseBall
Kineticist - October 12, 2010
Nope!
Scott Coleman - October 12, 2010
My Very Hot Sister...
I better stop.
Tarkus - October 12, 2010
The CAC analysis
http://capitolavenueclub.com/?p=3031
Creek Johnson - October 12, 2010
he is still just a kid
Kineticist - October 12, 2010
thanks to Bobby and the team for a great year
Considering the circumstances the team did well to make it this far.
BravesFTW - October 12, 2010
Great generals Never Accept Defeat
No matter the curcumstance
Kineticist - October 12, 2010
I can accept that.
Tarkus - October 12, 2010
?
So do we make the Giants play another game?
Creek Johnson - October 12, 2010
Write ’em a letter
a hooter's baby - October 12, 2010
Worst fear at the beginning of the season
Was injuries hurting this team. They did, but these Braves kept fighting. 2011 is OUR YEAR!!!
happyplayer23 - October 12, 2010
Is it just me or........
did any of us really ever truely realize how much, to THIS team, did chippers jones mean?
Kineticist - October 12, 2010
i shoulda prefaced that with im drunk
my apologies
Kineticist - October 12, 2010
Thanks, that explains a lot. ;)
Tarkus - October 12, 2010
Ha
Kineticist - October 12, 2010
lol
award6 - October 12, 2010
I think we did, bro
Losing Chipper’s Jones had us all pretty heartbroken.
get swoll yunel - October 12, 2010
it does suck
No two bones about it.
Kineticist - October 12, 2010
I'm old school
I dont use +1 and cookies
Kineticist - October 12, 2010
+1
Tarkus - October 12, 2010
well thank you sir
I will cherish that +1 like it was my only child
Kineticist - October 12, 2010
I just wanted to give a tip of the hat to
Derek “Big Game” Lowe. He looked like a completely different pitcher in the playoffs.
AlabamaTitans2009 - October 12, 2010
+pine trees
Kineticist - October 12, 2010
Fixed.
He looked like a completely different pitcher in September and throughout the playoffs.
Tarkus - October 12, 2010
Agreed
AlabamaTitans2009 - October 12, 2010
seems as abitrary as +1
Kineticist - October 12, 2010
+cookies
Tarkus - October 12, 2010
first thing we need to
do its not DFA Melky or KK its DFA Scott aka Mvhsbball dude is not a WINNAR
Erihury - October 12, 2010
thank you bobby!
love you bobby thanks for everything. Bring on Freddi Gonzalez, Chone Figgins and a Jayson Werth, Crawford or Kemp…just do it..we have pitching for days.
only fitting Melky gets the last out..i hope they do not bring him back..he makes me angry
radamez85 - October 12, 2010
where would chone play?
Kineticist - October 12, 2010
I'm more pissed off than
when my GF made me watch the end of the notebook
Kineticist - October 12, 2010
center field..
center..if we cant get werth..and he can play anywhere in the infield. and he can leadoff…then you can have a field day with the lineup…
but gotta see whats up with chipper!
radamez85 - October 12, 2010
Ah, What a great year. I won’t forget it.
So long everyone
Taylor Masters - October 12, 2010
We'll miss you Bobby.
Hell of a year. Ravaged by injuries, and we still gave ‘em hell! I’ll remember the 2010 Braves fondly. The future is bright. Go Braves!!
Frozen Fan - October 12, 2010 via mobile
I’ve cried way too much than is healthy for it being over baseball. But I’m really gonna miss Bobby, even though I didn’t always agree with how he did things. And this team was just amazing. I only wish we had made it through completely healthy to show the rest of the world that.
I’m actually really glad that Bobby’s last game was here at home. It would seem wrong for it to be in San Fran, or worse if we made the NLCS… in Philadelphia. And major props to the Giants for stopping their celebration to applaud Bobby. Dodgers might be my #2 team, but the Giants scored major points in my book for that. Classy move.
Sarahbeth - October 12, 2010
Anyone found photos confirming or disproving the call that Infante was off the base?
None of the replays were clear (don’t have HD), been looking for a difinitive pic without luck.
Like the guy in “Dirty Harry”, “I gots ta know!”
John Drake number 6 - October 12, 2010
Haha I like the analogy.
I’ve seen the replay a few times. It’s almost impossible to tell. The number of close calls in this series is ridiculous.
Creek Johnson - October 12, 2010
yeah it was rediculous. just when i thought i’d seen every type of close call, something new comes along. the only call i saw that was truly blown- not inconclusive, or tie to the runner- and not minding the strike zone- that’s up to each ump- was Posey at 2nd in game 1, but from the umps angle, i can see why he called safe, he wasn’t positiioned well in the first place
then again, in the playoffs everything is magnified. maybe we’re seeing this many blown calls (speaking to all the postseason series this year) because everything is under a mag glass, and umps really are this bad, we just didnt notice as much in the reg season.
giant4life83 - October 12, 2010
Its been fun
A whole lot of fun.
Go braves and we’ll see ya next year. Who am I kidding, sooner than that.
I’m ready for NAHWAL already
Kineticist - October 12, 2010
Hey, so do you guys, hopefully without any bias, think Heyward is the superior rookie to Posey? we drafted Bumgarner over Heyward, too, lol. im split on whether i would have done the same.
Heyward is a higher OBP guy, but Posey has more power and plays a premium position handling the top staff in baseball. If they could split the award, I’d be happy. We had a great rookie class here in 2010.
giant4life83 - October 12, 2010
Too early to tell.
But I’d vote Posey ROY for this season. He earned it. At the risk of sounding like a total homer, Heyward battled thumb injuries in the middle of the season and saw his batting avg drop to around .240 but I’m not about to give him extra credit for what I think he could have done if healthy.
Creek Johnson - October 12, 2010
I think I misread the question.
Posey had the better rookie year. That’s my final answer.
Creek Johnson - October 12, 2010
No
and that ercks me to say but Posey, as of right now, is better than Heyward
Kineticist - October 12, 2010
honestly, posey is blowing down every barrier i think anyone thought would stop him. no one, including myself, thought he would be this good. I know I’m on your site, so i don’t want to gush about him (you’ve seen his stats, and know how good he is anyhow).
I fully expect to see both players are superstars for many years to come.
the main diff between heyward and posey is the age. heyward is 20 vs poseys 23, so the development of Heyward will be critical to his success.
giant4life83 - October 12, 2010
Ask me in
5 years and I’ll and the rest of BBTN would gladly sell the farm for Heyward
Kineticist - October 12, 2010
there are a few things i worry about with heyward. 1) his ability to stay healthy (already on DL at 20), 2) his SLG %. hopefully the power will come. 3) his ability to hit lefties. he appears to be a pull hitter who has trouble with lefties.
then with posey- 1) being able to stay healthy as a F/T catcher. 2) has demonstrated heyward-ish patience at the plate, but doesn’t have the walks to show for it. perhaps SSS, not sure
giant4life83 - October 12, 2010
Yep
I just started wondering not too long ago if Heyward was gonna be was of those guys who always has to play through nagging injuries. I’m not too concerned with the slugging, and he’s shown flashes of…(better word than “competence”) against lefties but other times they really get em. His plate discipline has been unreal at times though. As far the pull hitter thing goes, I believe he had a few oppo homeruns at your park near the beginning of the season. I know 3 games don’t mean anything, just saying sometimes he looks completely focussed, others, just lost.
Creek Johnson - October 12, 2010
I gotta say, I'm surprised to see that Heyward's numbers next to Posey's are pretty comparable
Sure doesn’t feel like it. Posey’s been on fire.
wOBA*: Posey (.376), Heyward (.400)
As far as plate discipline goes O-swing: Posey (28.3%), Heyward (24.3%)
Slugging, we know Posey > Heyward
OBP, Heyward > Posey
I didn’t look up the last two because I pretty much know the story there. Still probably would go with Posey though because it’s hard to say these numbers pass the eyeball test. Posey seems tougher right now.
Creek Johnson - October 12, 2010
It's the closest race we've seen in quite a while
Both guys should win, to be perfectly honest. When you see what Heyward’s done from Day 1 as a 20-year old and what Posey has done as a 23-year old catcher handling one of the two or three best pitching staffs in the league, it’s pretty remarkable. Both guys are going to be great.
Scott Coleman - October 12, 2010
I heard somebody say once that they should give out 2 NLROY's instead of an ALROY one
And I gotta agree.
Creek Johnson - October 12, 2010
im gonna have to agree too. i think both players possess different but incredible skill talents, and both should win the award.
i think it comes down to positional advantage, though. posey plays a premium position handling the top staff in MLB (by the numbers) and the staff has only gotten better with him calling games. Jonathan Sanchez used to be a loose cannon, so much talent, but afraid to harness it. but with posey catching, he’s dumped his personal catcher (whiteside) and has truly gotten a grip on his stuff, like you guys saw yesterday.
overall, both players are going to be the best at what they do- and as baseball fans, that’s the best-case scenario
sometimes im pissed we drafted bumgarner over heyward, sometimes im happy we went with bumgarner.
but overall, keeping both heyward and posey on the Giants past FA would probably not have been doable, as both will command top dollar, while bum will come cheaper than heyward in 5 years. but i digress, not the point.
giant4life83 - October 12, 2010
creek johnson post 1:
for the good of the game, and seeing superstars develop right before our eyes, i hope Heyward can stay injury-free… it was sad to see such a talent, like Griffey for example, have a career massively cut short due to health issues.
his competence against lefties may just be SSS, or it may be up to the quality of the reliever. our guy Lopez who K’d him every time is a top situational loogy, so that’s not the best frame of reference.
plate discipline is not something that can be taught, so heyward is the mass goods in that dept.
same guy, post 2:
the comparability of Posey’s numbers can be slightly misleading. he missed the first 55-60 games of the year due to being in AAA (dial in catching), and didnt start hitting for power (or even playing regularly) until bengie was traded and he was made F/T catcher, for some reason. so what we’re looking at here is 3 months of a starting postion’s worth of numbers.
giant4life83 - October 12, 2010
Posey’s SLG was .506, Heywards was in the .450s, IIRC, but Heywards OBP is superior. Given that heyward hit in the 2 hole, while Posey cleanup, their natural OBPs are probably near each other, but Heyward does get the nod, .380 heyward, .350 posey (career avgs, inc minors).
giant4life83 - October 12, 2010
Heyward vs Lefties
OBP: .356
SLG: .399
OPS: .755
wOBA: .341
wRC+: 115
I’d wanna see him improve for sure, but it’s not like he’s Curtis Granderson out there against the southpaws.
Creek Johnson - October 12, 2010
And do they have an adjusted OBP for that?
Position in the lineup?
Creek Johnson - October 12, 2010
yes, there are. they can be found on espn.com, shows a player’s stats by lineup position. Posey’s walks rate was much better when he was hitting in the 2 hole and the 6 hole, but have dropped since going into cleanup. but remember, SSS. it would take a year or more to get a full picture.
heyward is no curtis granderson… but he wishes he could be!! nah, just playin.
heywards splits aren’t great, his SLG is esp lacking vs LHP along with his average, though he takes walks great vs LHP. hopefully he doesn’t become stuck as a 2 hole hitter because his OBP is high and but his power doesn’t develop.
giant4life83 - October 12, 2010
I doubt he'll be stuck there
But since I have no idea who the next manager is gonna be I also have no idea where he’s gonna bat.
Creek Johnson - October 12, 2010
On a side note
I fucking hate not knowing who it’s gonna be. People could feel however they wanted about Cox but you could never doubt what he was capable of, because he did it.
Creek Johnson - October 12, 2010
how heyward develops will determine his BA spot. cox might have wanted to keep the pressure off heyward. his splits against LHP probably prevented a 3 hole position for him.
they haven’t said anything yet? no prospects?
i wonder if they will pull someone who has MLB managerial experience, or go with the AAA manager. the trendy pick these days isnt veteran managers
giant4life83 - October 12, 2010
btw- BBTN is not exactly the basis for informed baseball. it’s pretty east coast biased, and some of their analyists are straight up stupid. Harold Reynolds, Buster Olney, Dave Winfield, John Kruk… Nomar is the only informed one who doesn’t talk out his ass.
giant4life83 - October 12, 2010
Posey should probably win ROY.
But does that seriously count for anything? Chris Coghlan and J.A. Happ finished ahead of Tommy Hanson last year in ROY voting. Which one would you rather have now and going forward?
Scott Coleman - October 12, 2010
It's always fun to win.
Creek Johnson - October 12, 2010
I guess...
I really don’t think this one’s locked up though.
Scott Coleman - October 12, 2010
Me neither.
Creek Johnson - October 12, 2010
me either.
i think the impact posey made on SF after arriving, esp after the molina trade, are telling. though they aren’t voting for MVP so that’s probably moot.
since their stats are near identical, here’s some tipping point thoughts-
i think Posey’s positional advantage may get him the ROTY, but then again Heyward was there from day 1 and was hyped up to begin with, whereas posey “came out of nowhere”.
also, heyward may get the award because there are more east coast sportswriters who cover the NL east and have seen more of heyward than posey, than there are west coast sportswriters who have seen more of posey than heyward
giant4life83 - October 12, 2010
Posey's gonna win it
But it’s amazing what Heyward has done this year for a 20/21 year old. A near .400 OBP, probably the most important stat for a hitter, is outstanding. Posey went to one of the best programs in the country and played for one of the best managers in college baseball and got all the seasoning he needed. They’re both going to be great players.
a hooter's baby - October 12, 2010
Posey is FLA ST
gooooo Criminoles
Kineticist - October 12, 2010
I have
a Bumgarner, Posey, and Heyward rookie card. TOPPS
Kineticist - October 12, 2010
those will be worth money someday. all 3 are going to be superstars.
giant4life83 - October 12, 2010
Actually
3 Bowman 1st cards
Kineticist - October 12, 2010
of heyward
Kineticist - October 12, 2010
spelling fail
Kineticist - October 12, 2010
Just read this on Braves.com...
“At the end of his final news conference, which lasted a little more than five minutes, even the sometimes cynical, jaded and hardscrabble media members paid him his due. Usually there’s no cheering in the press box or the press room. It’s a hard and fast unwritten rule. Not on Monday, though. As Cox stepped down from the microphones, he was awarded a loud ovation.
That’s all anyone needs to know.”
That is just awesome.
Aaron Meier - October 12, 2010 via mobile
Funny how things work...
The Braves were very close to acquiring Cody Ross from the Marlins at the deadline until Chris Coghlan tore up his knee in the shaving cream celebration. That immediately made Ross off limits. By the time Ross was available again, the Braves had already gotten Rick Ankiel.
Wonder what would have happened if the Coghlan injury never happened…
AnEternalEnigma - October 12, 2010
how did that make Ross unavailable? he wasn’t injured at all in that incident
giant4life83 - October 12, 2010
The Marlins pulled him off the table...
They were playing .500 ball, thought it too early in the season to trade Ross without Coghlan there to play. A month later, they’ve not gained any ground and the injuries start to pile up, and he’s let go.
-C
cthabeerman - October 12, 2010
so you guys would have ended up having to part with farm talent to get ross at the deadline, then he’s pulled back, and ends up on our laps for free as a blocking move to SD… odd how baseball works sometimes.
giant4life83 - October 12, 2010
Maybe its for the best to lose at home like this to the Giants, because I had a terrible feeling that Philly would have creamed us in the NLCS. Call me crazy, but this seems like a better way to go out than having to watch Philly and their fans celebrate at Turner Field. Obviously winning the World Series is the best way to go out, but this seems like the second best option to me.
10-4 - October 12, 2010
Observations
Didn’t read the comments so the question here may have already been addressed: Has anyone else noticed that whenever we obtain a position player from either outside or inside the organization who has hit well or reasonably well with their previous club or level they turn into mediocre or worse at the plate here in Atlanta? There appears to be one common element in this scenario—-Terry Pendleton. What does he do to or for these guys? With the exception of the pitching, the final month and a half of this season looked like the team caved under pressure. I’ve played enough baseball to recognize that when a team chokes the hitting and fielding is where it shows, and sure enough…….
Jess Think'n - October 12, 2010
This is enough to make you sick...
The CEO of Libery Media….boy, sure wish they’d invest just a small portion of that salary into the Braves.
http://www.myfoxboston.com/dpps/business/media-tech-highest-paid-executives-ncx-20101012_10069881
dunnytwogloves - October 12, 2010
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