Javier Vazquez wasn't just the best pitcher on the Braves, but he was one of the best pitchers in all of Major League Baseball, in 2009.
Quick, name the only starting pitcher in the NL East who never once pitched under five innings per start, over 30+ starts and 200+ innings, in 2009?
Overall, Javier Vazquez is one of five total pitchers in all of Major League Baseball (Grienke, Haren, Shields, Wainwright) to achieve this feat. Regardless of the wins and losses, there's something to be said about a pitcher who comes out consistently, does his job, and does it well. Really well.
I'm going to go out on a short limb here, and declare Javier Vazquez the Ace of the already outstanding Braves pitching staff. Now the definition of what an ace is, is often under debate, but in general, most people can agree on the following criteria:
All this considered, Javier Vazquez accomplished the following:

So the bottom line is that Javier Vazquez wasn't just the best pitcher on the Braves in 2009, but he was most certainly one of the best pitchers in all of Major League Baseball. The National League Cy Young will in all likelihood go to Tim Lincecum again, or maybe even Adam Wainwright, or Chris Carpenter, but I'll be grossly disappointed if Javy doesn't receive some Cy Young consideration himself. In the three Triple Crown categories that the BBWAA weighs heavily, when making their choices, Javier Vazquez is T-4th in wins, 6th in ERA, and 2nd in strikeouts.
I'm sure you're all aware of the negative stigma attached to Javy, about being not being able to hold up under the pressure of a critical game, and he certainly didn't help his cause with his final start of 2009, and I know baseball is no exception to the "what have you done for me lately" mentality that many sports fans harbor, and that pitchers are only as good as their last performance, but what a lot of people need to realize is that without Javier Vazquez, the Braves might never have been in a situation where there were critical games to be played. The four starts prior to his final, Javy pitched brilliantly, tossing 32 masterful innings, notching both his complete game victories, and allowing a paltry three earned runs. In a stretch where the Braves needed every victory to remain alive in the playoff hunt, who says Javier Vazquez couldn't handle pressure?
Honestly, there's not a whole lot much to ask for from Javier Vazquez, going into 2010. He's going to make a lot of starts, strike out a lot of guys, and eat a lot of innings - stuff we all knew he was capable in 2009 before he even threw a pitch with the Braves. Win more games? Take that request up with the offense, whom in Javy's ten losses, contributed a meager average of 1.3 runs of support in his losing starts.
Maybe, we could ask for him to sign some sort of extention to stay in Atlanta? As it stands right now, he's entering the final year of a three-year deal that sees him making $11,500,000 in 2010, which is an incredibly fair cost for a pitcher of Javy's caliber. Obviously, this much bang for the buck has not gone unnoticed by the baseball world, as Vazquez has been the topic of many a fantasy trade, that sees the Braves dealing their current ace pitcher, due to the luxury surplus of quality starting pitching in their current staff, for a potential package of prospects and/or the mythical "big bat" that will assist the Braves back into the glory days. All I'm saying is that I'd prefer to keep Vazquez through 2010, and potentially beyond, but I wouldn't be the least bit opposed to keep my ears peeled and entertain some offers to hear what's up.
Would it be possible to sign Javy to some sort of extension? Possibly. He has made statements expressing desire to stay in Atlanta, and many bring up the idea that he is opposed to going out to the west coast again, thus limiting the number of teams he could go to down a bit. But one thing to think about is how much of the Braves' money do you want tied up in starting pitching alone? Say the Braves extend Vazquez, but aren't capable of moving any of their starting pitchers - Derek Lowe is on the books for three more years, Kenshin Kawakami for two more, and if the supposed rumors come true, Tim Hudson for three. In 2011, Jair Jurrjens is eligible for arbitration. It goes without saying that in order to extend Vazquez, someone will have to be moved in order to have a chance of keeping the finances under somewhat control. Unless Liberty Media decides to actually open up the books a bit, which I'm sure is not going to happen.
So for better or worse, we're just going to have to assume that Javier Vazquez is going to be suiting up for the Braves come the start of the 2010 season. I expect more of the same from 2009, but there also stands the possibility that the "honeymoon period" of moving back to the NL after a long tenure in the AL helped his numbers, which I don't necessarily agree with fully, because he should have gotten worse as the year progressed, not better, like Javy's did. Either way, I'm looking forward to seeing more Javier Vazquez in 2010, and I wouldn't rule out the possibility that he might just be the Opening Day starter, for the Atlanta Braves.
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Vazquez had at least 5 K's in every start he made.
Pretty sure that’s a ML record.
PWHjort - November 4, 2009
Javy
Javy was incredible this year. I will be dissapointed to see the Braves let him go if they decide to. I hope the braves do whatever they can to keep him. As long as they don’t give up Jair. And I know Hanson isn’t going anywhere. LOL
ArmyITSpec - November 4, 2009
Extending Vasquez this offseason would be very wise. The longer the Braves wait, the more he will cost.
Yakker - November 4, 2009
Or less
Based on his career number he’s due to regress this season but can the Braves risk waiting to find out is the question. If I were in the FO I would try to extend him this off-season if the parties can’t come to terms I’d trade him.
Jay212033 - November 4, 2009
Regress? Yes, but...
I almost want to trade him just so that next year, when he regresses to his career FIP, pitches 207 innings with almost an SO/inn, but with an ERA in the 3.6-3.8 range, people won’t be able to bitch. Even though he’ll still be a ~5.5 WAR pitcher worth double (!) his salary.
Let’s hope that even if this regression happens (and that we keep him), the rest of the team can pull some of the load and this infamous right-handed power bat can contribute to him being a 20-win pitcher. Which he obviously should have been this year.
Even then I think people will consider him having declined in skill, even though he’ll probably just be riding the harsh and inglorious waves of statistical fluctuation.
sgrapevine - November 4, 2009
he’s happy and comfortable in Atlanta, I don’t expect much of a regression…Javier has found his home.
bwellnjonesco - November 5, 2009 via mobile
That’s a pretty big statement to make about anybody, especially someone you’ve never met. (Unless you have, then I’m an asshole.)
You’re saying in the twelve years and four teams prior to joining the Braves, he wasn’t once happy and comfortable enough to come within half a run of his ‘09 FIP/ERA (and 9 times out of 12 not even within one run)? I dunno, I think he just had an uncannily good year, and that he won’t be as good next year. I still think he’ll be TOR material and an innings eater and a 20-win-type guy.
If he doesn’t regress, then I’m not sure your reasons are necessarily why… Post hoc, ergo propter hoc.
If he gets even better, though, I’ll buy you a beer.
sgrapevine - November 5, 2009
“I love it here,” Vazquez told FanHouse. “It was always a place that I saw myself playing one day. It never happened until this year, but I’m happy it did.”
bwellnjonesco - November 5, 2009
Unfortunately
Every professional athlete within 2 years of impending free-agency will always say such statements, to make the home team want to make offers, and for possible suitors to gauge out how much they’ll have to dole out to potentially lure them away.
John Smoltz, Andruw Jones, and Mark Teixeira at some point all said they would “love to stay.”
royhobbs - November 5, 2009
I believe it when Smoltz and Jones said it
Both had at some point in their careers taken discounts to stick around (remember when Jones took his father to the negotiating table instead of Borass??). But Tex was so full of shit. He was always a mercenary. He always belonged in pinstripes where he would get top dollar because that is all he cared about from the beginning. Everyone knew that. I don’t hate him for it, but just saying that everyone knew or should have known he was full of shit…
Andy Braves Fan - November 5, 2009
Why the hate for Tex? He was only a free-agent once. I can’t blame him for cashing in like he did…after all, he is now the proud owner of not only a beautiful bank account, but also a WS ring…
justincredubil02 - November 5, 2009
He probably would have liked to stay in ATL, just not enough that he was willing to take a lesser deal and/or not test the free agent waters to see what he could get out there.
The Braves weren’t willing to offer up the deal he said he wanted, and they weren’t willing to take the chance on losing him as a FA when they could trade him and get something back.
That’s just the way things go sometimes.
Lennox - November 5, 2009
I didn’t think about it like that…
bwellnjonesco - November 5, 2009
Yeah, I wasn’t trying to offend, but when I guy says that to your team’s beat reporter then you gotta wonder how much he’s really confiding in the guy.
I mean, does he really mean “As an ML pitcher, before now, I never really had the confidence or happiness with a giant, multi-million dollar corporation that I do now.”
No the guy’s just been doing the best he can with the best people pitted against and doing a bang up job for twelve years. He did it really really well this year and I don’t think we should expect it to happen again. But he’s still a badass, sexy pitcher and I think we should expect >11.5mill worth of performance out of him easily next year.
sgrapevine - November 6, 2009
Even with regression Vasquez is a terrific pitcher, well worth an extension.
Yakker - November 4, 2009
Braves had to find a taker for Derek Lowe or KK. I say maybe the Yankees or Boston might be interested. Especially the Yankees with the whole Jaba should be in the bullpen and Hughes not being ready fiasco.
AlRoBraves95 - November 4, 2009
Trade Question
If and only IF Vazquez doesn’t agree to an extension this winter would you guys make this deal?
Vazquez to the Brewers for Matt Gamel and Brett Lawrie.
Jay212033 - November 4, 2009
I think before any Vasquez extension is discussed...
Lowe or Kawakami would need to be dealt. Hudson is resigned for 3 years, Hanson and Jurrjens have a good bit more under club control. With Lowe and Kawakami under contract for 3 and 2 more years, you can’t commit long term to Vasquez as well unless one of those two are moved.
The question is where do you put both defensively. Lawrie appeared to play 2nd for the Brewers in the minors, so maybe keep him or maybe he can slide to 3rd? As for Gamel, he doesn’t appear nearly good enough to play 3rd every day, so LF? 1B?
Mr. Sanchez - November 4, 2009
Lawrie
Was drafted as a SS and has a very good accurate arm the only reason the Brewers ahve him playing 2B is because they really don’t have a good option there. Weeks is garbage and Lopez may not be back next season so Lawrie is already in AA and if Weeks doesn’t do well this season they may give the job to Lawrie. But if the Braves traded for him I say they should move him to 3B.
Also I pray that they are able to move Lowe’s contract, personally I think they already have a deal in place to trade either Lowe, Vazquez or Kawakami since they are re-signing Hudson. I would love to see Lowe to the Angels for Arredondo and Sandoval.
Jay212033 - November 4, 2009
Lawrie is horrible defensively pretty much anywhere… he has played C, SS, 3B, and 2B and has been bad just about everywhere… the Brewers will msot likely move him to LF and Braun will play RF …if Lawrie makes it
i find it funny u discredit Gamel’s D, while commending Lawrie’s… as i feel exactly the opposite.
Swo12bv - November 4, 2009
I think they’re both pretty awful at defense.
cbwilk - November 5, 2009
interesting trade idea...
but i’m VERY CERTAIN that:
a.) we would ALSO request an arm, probably a bullpen one, that is a MLB player.
b.) Javy would reject the trade.
apoxonbothyourhouses - November 4, 2009
Javy
1.) Can’t reject a trade to the central, he could to the NL & AL West though.
2.) We could find BP arms elsewhere.
Jay212033 - November 4, 2009
Carlos Villanueva
Would be a nice throw-in.
PWHjort - November 4, 2009
He's a nice arm
If they were to throw him in I’d really love that. He could take over the long relief and spot starter role if we had to deal Medlen.
Jay212033 - November 4, 2009
Good idea, but aren’t the Brewers converting him back to SP?
Yakker - November 4, 2009
He's not that good
But they need to try something.
Jay212033 - November 4, 2009
Probably
But that’s really a testament to the Brewers’ SP situation. He’s really not good enough to be a starter.
PWHjort - November 5, 2009
Really?
A FIP in the low 4s seems fine to me for a back-end rotation guy.
I haven’t watched him pitch as an SP, but I recall him having a very nice CB.
Yakker - November 5, 2009
2) i agree…. im not sure there’s a bullpen arm i would want from the Brewers
Swo12bv - November 4, 2009
I was about to say
What happened to Derrick Turnbow, but what else is wikipedia good for?
royhobbs - November 4, 2009
i love Derrick TUrnbow… and i wish he was back and in a prominent role…theres isnt a more exciting experience than watchign Turnbow struggle to notch a save
will he throw 25 consecutive fastballs that miss their mark.. will be throw a breaking pitch at all… is his hair awesome
only one of those questions have a definitive YES.
Swo12bv - November 4, 2009
Gomer! I was just talking about him the other day. He was on an A ball team, the Piedmont Boweivels(!), with Brett Myers and Marlon Byrd.
cbwilk - November 5, 2009
Brett Lawrie? Yuck.
He is a terrible defender, and is very immature.
blitzerlover - November 4, 2009
personal friend?
SayHeyWerd - November 4, 2009
I’ve heard he doesn’t show up to team practice on time, complains about working. Stuff like that.
blitzerlover - November 5, 2009
Please tell me the "rumors"
About a trade of Vasquez for Uggla is horse…
award6 - November 4, 2009
Where are these rumors?
Jay212033 - November 4, 2009
No effin way
But not because of us. Think about it- the only reason Uggla is rumored to be trade bait this winter is because he’s due a big arb raise. Knowing how stingy the Fish are, there’s no way they’re going to avoid paying him a raise so that they can trade him to bring in someone that they’ll have to pay even more. If they move him, which is still a matter of speculation, it will probably be for prospects or a package of cheaper, lower-caliber MLB players. They won’t move him for a high-paid star, it defies all the logic of moving him to begin with.
J-Freak - November 4, 2009
that would be dumb
so i dont believe it lol.
drumzalicious - November 4, 2009
VERY dumb
to trade him in the division UNLESS we get Uggla AND, say, Andrew Miller, in return.
apoxonbothyourhouses - November 5, 2009
I remember seeing it under ESPN Rumors...but I don't access to ESPN Insider, so...
award6 - November 5, 2009
*have
award6 - November 5, 2009
I need to preface this
I LOVED the Vasquez trade when it happened. I loved it even more when he didn’t just prove me right, but surpassed any and all expectations I had for him. His was phenomenal last year and I loved watching the guy pitch. I am absolutely not opposed to keeping him around and trying to extend him…
HOWEVER, the guy is clearly at peak-value performance wise and we clearly have a surplus in the SP department. Assuming Jurrjens and Hanson are untouchable (which they should be) and Hudson is extended, we have to also realize the Lowe and KK contracts are basically unmovable. Having 6 SPs obviously isn’t going to work, so I feel like it might be in our best interest to sell high on Vasquez and see what’s out there trade-wise. I’d like to unload Lowe and KK like the rest of you, but I don’t know how realistic that is.
Vasquez should be on the block, even though I absolutely love the guy. The business side of baseball is a real bitch…. unless you’re the Yankees.
get swoll yunel - November 5, 2009
actually
i fully believe that there are teams out there who view Lowe as a good starter still and would take him if we ate like 5mil per year. We could make a list of teams that could need/use a starter
just off the top of my head
Rangers
Astros
Brewers
Angels
Dodgers
Mets
Boston
Yankees
I mean there are teams out there that could use him on their teams and there are even some that would take a package to fill multiple holes from our surplus of Infielders and Outfielders. Possibly trade KJ and Church in a deal with him or something. Then sign Nady and use Diaz in LF and call it a OF. Prado starts at 2B then just continue the offseason
drumzalicious - November 5, 2009
The Rangers have too much farm system pitching depth to take on a contract like that.
The Astros are a possibility but they have way too many deals hamstringing them as it is (Lee, Tejada, Berkman… and they’re not even a playoff contender as is, I don’t really see how Lowe pushes them over the top)
Brewers, maybe, but if they they weren’t willing to put up the bones to resign C.C., and they have a lot of guys ready to start getting paid (Braun, Fielder, etc.) … and they also weren’t close to making the playoffs, so I don’t see how Lowe (with his salary) really pushes them over the top
Angels will probably do everything in their power to retain Lackey, and if they don’t do that, they’ll most likely look for someone with more impact than a 37 year old Lowe would obviously not be a top of the rotation starter in the AL
Dodgers have been there and done that.
Mets would’ve done it last year if they were that desperate.
Boston and NYY have the pockets to avoid aging, expensive pitchers like Lowe (they can go after the youngins either through FA or through trade)
So no, trading Lowe is not at all an easy possibility.
get swoll yunel - November 5, 2009
i never said it would be easy
i said there are teams out there who could use a starter and that the possibility is out there to find a partner to trade him to.
drumzalicious - November 6, 2009
And the “eating 5 million” thing is huge speculation.
It’s easy for guys like you and me not paying the salaries to say stuff like that, but 5 million is a lot of money for most clubs… including our Braves.
get swoll yunel - November 5, 2009
Cool what about an even salary dump:
C. Lee – astros eat some of his contract
D. Lowe- Braves eat some of his contract
Braves and Astros both win in this deal.
Go Braves, and I am also in favor of signing Nady as well b/c remember before he got hurt he had a 25 hrs and close to 100 RBI the season before.
Holty_Panthers_Fan - November 5, 2009
it wouldnt make sense for both teams to eat salary.. it would negate the affect of eating salary…
Swo12bv - November 5, 2009
hey, babysteps. i don’t notice any triple (or even quadruple) punctuation in holty’s post, so let him have this one…lol
justincredubil02 - November 5, 2009
Great trade by the braves.
One of the few good moves Frank Wren has made was getting Javy from the Whitesox. Man we need to dump D-Lowe and eat some of his contract to do so as alot of people have stated. I was once in favor of keeping Lowe but Vasquez is someone that is an “ACE” in the making and if we would have had some decent offense for the first half of the season we would have gotten him closer to the 20 win mark if not over.
Javy season grade: A+
Go Braves and lets get some offense in here.
Holty_Panthers_Fan - November 5, 2009
few good moves huh
Javy (as you mentioned)
not resigning Smoltz
releasing Glavine… and therbey allowing Hanson to begin his awesomeness (while these last two were met with disapproval it was the right baseball move.. .and thus can be considered a good move…it was a bad move in terms of PR and the overall goodness of the move is dependent on how much weight you put into PR)
acquiring McLouth when it was clear Schafer couldn’t handle the job (due to his injury, not his talent)
trading FYF and actually gettin a living breathing individual
trading Kotchman and getting power hitting 1b who almost propelled us into the playoffs
and compeltley shoring up our ptichign staff last year
and shrewdly extending a guy who wanted to stay here in Hudson
but your right he has only made a few good moves (as in basically every move he’s made)
you keep this up i may have to make one of your quotes my signature
Swo12bv - November 5, 2009
ok, this one is fair. lol
justincredubil02 - November 5, 2009
hey
what about Ascanio for Infante and Ohman. Teheran is ready now!
buzzdeadwax - November 5, 2009
I love how Wren doing something blindingly obvious, like offering a contract to one of our best pitchers, who openly states in the press that he wants to stay and is willing to take a hometown discount to do so, is considered “shrewd”.
Lennox - November 5, 2009
I think the Proctor signing is shrewd. The Hudson signing (pending) is just fortunate. The deal is better than i was expecting it to be, but still, Wren, IMO had little to do with it other than “Hey, so do you want to come back or not?”
justincredubil02 - November 5, 2009
thats a fair assessment and i wont disagree….
Swo12bv - November 6, 2009
Good points Swo12bv
Hey good points LOL, I guess I forgot about some of the moves; my bad for sure. Thanks for clearing that up and I would love to be in your signature quotes. Seriously though I think alot of those moves were shrewd and little off or considered wrong by most of us at the time but later or at the end of the day we are glad not to have Peavy, Smoltz, and Glavine. Money is going to still be tight this offseason until we unload D. Lowe and his contract. Vasquez should stay and I would go as far as to say he deserves an extension after one season.
Holty_Panthers_Fan - November 5, 2009
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