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Those opinionated journalists...

I guess it happens every time any team makes a lot of moves in one week, but the last couple of days it seems like every reporter has had his or her take on the Braves and their flurry of moves. To recap, in just the past seven days the Braves lost pitching-icon John Smoltz to Boston, signed Japanese starter Kenshin Kawakami, re-signed Omar Infante to a two-year deal, agreed in principle with free agent starting pitcher Derek Lowe, and saw the Los Angeles Dodgers release former Atlanta golden boy Andruw Jones (who everyone now thinks we're gonig to sign, including, aparently, Andruw himself).

The first article that caught my ire is from Dayn Perry at Fox. He's such a "good" journalist that he doesn't even know we already had Infante:

New to Atlanta will be Derek Lowe, Kenshin Kawakami, Javier Vazquez, Boone Logan, David Ross, and Omar Infante. For his efforts, GM Frank Wren has revamped the rotation, added infield depth, and put another lefty arm in the bullpen mix.

That pretty much leads me think he doesn't know what he's talking about (which he doesn't), and illegitamizes the rest of the article (which says nothing new).

The second article that caught my ire was from Buster Olney and got passed around yesterday. There are so many things just completely intolerable about this article it's taken me 24 hours to come to a simmer.

  • Olney seems to think that the Braves should have traded for Jake Peavy no matter what the cost would have been. To hell with our future.
  • He actually think that a sticking point in the Peavy trade was the no-trade clause. As if the two sides got that far.
  • He has an unnatural love of Orlando Cabrera.
  • Olney reads so much into what people think happened behind the scenes of the Peavy trade that he winds up in fantasy land trying to equate selling A-ball prospect Jeff Locke on the open market for cash with the signing of 12-year veteran Derek Lowe.
  • He actually believes that Oliver Perez at $30 million for three years or Jon Garland on a one-year deal would have been better options than Lowe.

All Buster did was start that article out with a desire to bash the Braves, then tried to create a bunch of paper-thin arguments to support his original point. This was some particularly messy journalism from someone who is usually pretty solid (and I'm not just saying this because he's speaking out against the Braves).

The Sporting News has a better article than most, but the guy still tries to pound some nebulous theme into the ground.

I know these guys are writing for the general baseball and sports audience, who are likely to be a lot dumber than the fan who actually keeps up with baseball, but I alaways thought that it was the job of journalism to raise the level of discourse, not to bring it down to a sub-moronic level.

I've been very antagonistic lately... dunno why.

The Mississippi Braves had their website redesigned.

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I posted some comments

about the Olney article directed at Olney himself (under this same screen-name). Unlike K-Law, Olney never responds to his critics.

We all know that ESPN hates the Braves. Whenever a player signs with another team they always show them playing against the Braves, it just really pisses me off.

I don't think I'd go that far

Jayson Stark picked us to go to the WS last year, as did Peter Gammons (if I remember correctly).

Maybe...

They are just angry that we made them look like fools by tanking last season.

But...

they arent the ones who wrote the horrible article – Olney is. Starke usually writes pretty good articles about the Braves (in fact, I am almost convinced that he is a Braves fan…)

Sorry...

Forgot the “/sarcasm” tag.

my bad...

i didnt have my sarcasm goggles on either…

:)

your right Stark and Gammons are good writers. I guess I was more going towards the lack of highlights unless we play the Mets or Phillies.

Dayn Perry is terrible. I can’t stand that guy.

+9458953875

This.

Let's not forget

about that old fart at the AJC, Furman Bisher…I think his article a few weeks ago about how Atlanta has gotten away from developing home grown talent was a classic…especially considering that his current article is entitled: Braves need to spend, or else.

LOL

THis whole conversation

Makes me miss FJM…

I weep for thee, FJM, I weep…

Eh

FJM got really, really tired towards the end.

I too usually like Olney. However, it seems foolish that the only sticking point for the Braves to acquire one of the top pitching talents in the NL is no-trade clause.

Olney made a lot of the ages of the players. Baseball, I think, unlike other sports really doesn’t focus too heavily on age. For instance, Chipper Jones at 30whatever he is, is still the best third baseman in the game. Olney seems to suggest that Lowe’s age is a major factor against him.

Further, and probably most importantly, if 60 million is what it took to not only get our starter, but ALSO keep Lowe out of a Mets or Phillies uniform…how much is that worth? Both those teams needed another consistent starting pitcher. Now they have to shoot well lower. You just aren’t going to convince me Garland and Perez with Orlando Cabrera is the same as keeping Escobar behind Lowe.

Chipper is probably a poor example to use...

because he’s missed more and more time as he’s gotten older.

Yeah, keeping him away from division rivals was a nice bonus.

Well said… +1

That sucks about the new Mississippi site. They’re going from hosting their own site to letting milb.com host it, which is fine, except ever time this happens a team goes from having a pretty rich website of their own to a paper thin one with no more info on it than you could already find on milb.com, just a prettier appearance.

Rome's website stinks big time, BUT....

I wouldn’t want milb to take over. Mississippi’s used to be really good. I personally think Myrtle Beach has the best website of all the Braves minor league affiliates……

Absolutely. They’ve had the best one ever since they became a team. Aside from getting out of their dump of a stadium, hopefully the move from Richmond to Gwinnett will also bring a better website. Richmond’s was pathetic. Danville’s is actually halfway decent for a team that only plays a few months.

This....

…is the most blasphemous line in the whole Perry article:

Bettering that relief corps might require some creativity, such as using Charlie Morton, James Parr, or even top pitching prospect Tommy Hanson out of the bullpen.

i honestly don’t see anything wrong with using hanson as a joba-clone out of the pen near the end of the year

Do you really...

…want to expose him to the bullpen management (read: overuse) of BC?

Hahahaha

He’s used to being a starter so let’s give him 5 relief innings a week

In all honesty, if he did that shit, I think Frank would immediately pull the plug

Completely useless comment to follow....

Your comment makes me wonder what the intraoffice politics are like between JS, FW, and Bobby.

If it came down to an argument between FW saying to send him down or Bobby to continue to overuse him out of the bullpen, who would win.

I know that, ultimately, FW makes the calls on personnel, but it can’t be that easy. That’s a lot of ego and a lot of prestige in the room, and who knows what the fans would think…

OK, back to something relevant/useful.

I thought the Olney article was pretty bad as well. The Orlando Cabrera idea was totally ridiculous. Since it all fell through, he ABSOLUTELY has not let this thing die. He’ll never let the Braves forget this, although in retrospect I’m glad it didn’t happen. Giving up all that we were for Peavy wasn’t smart. I really like Buster but you gotta let it go man.

FRANK WREN note: If it hasn’t already been stated, Frank Wren will be on the Hot Stove on MLB Network tonight at 6 p.m. Eastern, 5 central. Should be interesting.

Correction

It will actually be 7 P.M. eastern, 6 central. My apologies.

dangit...i just changed the channel to watch it...

and you just dashed my dreams against the rocks.

Thanks for the tip. I’ll check that out when I get home.

But yeah, Olney is a hack. This is nothing new. The only 2 columnists in ESPN’s baseball section I read are Law & Neyer (and Neyer is starting to get out there a little bit)

Neyer

just said that Chipper is GUARANTEED to drop 20-50 points in his batting average – even though he only hit about 15 points higher this past season than his last 2-3 season’s averaged together…

Neyer

is an idiot.

His BABIP over the last 3 seasons has been .343, .352, .388. So yeah, if last season’s drops to his 2006 level, he’ll drop off 30 points or so

Olney’s article summed up in a few short sentences:
“The Braves should’ve traded for Peavy instead of paying for Lowe because Peavy is better than Lowe. However, since they weren’t able to trade for Peavy, they should’ve signed someone worse than Lowe.”

well said

i didnt even think of it like that, but you are right!

Good one… it makes the Olney argument seem like sour milk.

Excellent summation!
credentialed journalists vs web experts

*Credentialed journalists are often paid to follow many teams and multiple sports
*Web experts follow their passions, so many have deeper specialized knowledge
*Credentialed journalists spend much of their day trying to break news
*Web experts have more time to concentrate on analysis
*Credentialed journalists often follow the pack and the dictates of their editors
*Web experts have the freedom to develop the stories which interest them the most
*Credentialed journalists manufacture conflict in a bid for sensation and controversy
*Web experts benefit when audiences gravitate to their insights over time
*Credentialed journalists know all the best bars
*Web experts know all the best websites

You forgot

Credentialed journalists are dying out
Web experts are the new generation of sports writing

… papers are already cutting back on beat writers

Richard Justice wrote that Sporting News article? The guy writes for the Houston Chronicle out here (the citys only newspaper) and he said The Astros would win 101 games last year. He also said Vince Young would be “The greatest QB of all time and win three or four Super Bowls” and the Texans would be stupid not to draft him.

So dont take Dick Justice (as we call him here) seriously as a sports writer. He went to University of Texas Longhorns and all he is is a fan, not a journalist.

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