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Braves sign.... Rafael Furcal?

Really? I guess this means we won't be seeing Yunel Escobar in a Braves uniform next season:

In a stunning turnaround, the free-agent shortstop has chosen the Braves over the A's, according to a major-league source.

A contract agreement is expected to be announced Tuesday, conditional on Furcal passing a physical.

Furcal would play shortstop or second base for the Braves, depending upon which other moves the team makes.

This is going to lead to a whole bunch of other rumors, since the most available and hottest hitting and fielding commodity on the trade market is now Escobar. It will be interesting to see if we matched or surpassed the $40 million four-year deal that the A's offered.

Upon first blush, although this has been somewhat rumored for a while, this is a good move. It allows us to trade Escobar for a pitcher that we obviously couldn't sign as a free agent. It gives us a bonafide leadoff hitter, and doesn't take away anything defensively at shortstop. This may not have been the best move a month ago, but circumstances have changed, and this move now seems like a very good option.

Remember too, that we haven't made the postseason since Furcal left the Braves.

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Who knows, maybe Wren is thinking about putting Kelly back in left field?

But if it came down to that, I think he would have more value as a trading chip rather than a left fielder. And a TON of teams will have a hard on for Escobar. Its a curious move to be sure, but I want to see the dollar figure before I pass judgement. I like the 4th year option though (as opposed to being guaranteed).

Not good

This is not good at all if it involves trading Escobar for Peavy or Greinke. I’ll hold my judgment there until we know who the “pitcher” is that we are targeting.

This eats up a significant chunk of our budget and doesn’t address any need!

Anyone catch the peavy article? stating what he does away from petco. Basically said hes a number 3 guy on the road.

I hope we go after a young guy: Greinke, Malholm, Cain/Sanchez.

Also, heres to hoping we trade KJ instead of Yunel. I dont know if I can stomach watching him strike out looking 50 times this year.

Ugh

Like it or not, I think this trade almost certainly means that Escobar is gone. And again, in my opinion, like for Peavy. VictorW is about to blow a gasket.

The other alternative is to move Escobar off short. Obviously, he’s not going to third since Chipper is entrenched there. So there’s the outside chance he moves to second, and we trade Kelly. In that scenario, there’s an outside chance they move Kelly to left. That immediately downgrades our defense at 2 positions (SS and LF) while marginally increasing our defense at 1 (2B, which is debatable since Escobar has rarely played there). Furthermore, Chipper, Escobar and Furcal are all injury risks, meaning none are likely to go for 162 (which is ok, since we still have the versatile Infante and the all contact Prado). Bigjoe is right; the Braves should’ve just signed Dunn to the same contract and avoided all this mess. Stick the dude in left; leave Escobar and Kelly as is; and develop your own freaking pitching.

I don’t see why we can’t play Furcal at 2nd.

That they could

But I imagine it’s a reverse A-Rod/Jeter conundrum. Furcal was “entrenched” as the Braves SS for so many years, he’s the veteran, etc., etc. But I imagine the numbers calculate more value with Escobar at short and Furcal at second than vice versa.

Well, I guess it could be a stipulation in the contract or something. And we all know about how Bobby likes to let the veterans get what they want to a fault. But things are so up in the air right now that its really anyone’s guess. Hell, we haven’t even inked Furcal yet.

If I remember correctly, KJ was a pretty damn good outfielder. I know that the worry is that his arm won’t hold up out there because of his TJ surgery, but I wouldn’t mind seeing Furcal at second and Escobar at short with Kelly in LF.

Kelly doesn’t have the bat to play a corner outfield position.

Maybe not, but FW used the OF money on a SS…a position that was already being adequately filled.

This is a Scheurholtz type move. You don’t hear anything about it, and it happens. Hopefully this is followed by another surprise move. To me, its funner this way. I’m gonna reserve judgement on this until i see who we trade Escobar for.

not done...

I agree with 10-4. This surprise move has got to be only Part 1 of at least a 2 part series. It should be interesting to see Part 2.

I’ve always liked Furcal; he was one of my favorite Braves when he was with us before and I was sad to see him go.

I’d like to see the trade piece be KJ instead of Yunel and the return be Greinke or Peavy. Peave is more than a #3 pitcher away from PetCo, don’t worry.

Oooh, this would be nice…

Not necessarily Yunel

Furcal has been playing second base in Winter Ball. This move does not mean that Yunel is gone, KJ could be the available middle infielder on the trade market. Either way, I think one of the two of them goes for a stud pitcher.

From DOB

Sandy Alderson told Krasovic today, just a couple hours ago in fact, that they’re intending to have Peavy on opening day, and that if they were to trade him now then talks would have to be initiated by the other team, blah blah blah.

That doesn’t mean much, of course. But if the Braves haven’t been talking to them in the past few days, as he indicates, then I’ve gotta believe they’re aiming for another pitcher other than Peavy in whatever trade they’d pull off after signing Furcal.
When Frank said on Thursday that the framework for a couple of deals was in place, just that the other team needed to add or move a player in one instance, and the Braves might have to make a move in another instance, then this was probably one of the deals he was talking about — that they’d have to add Furcal before they could trade Yunel or Kelly for a pitcher
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No FA Compensation

Another reason to like this deal is that Furcal isn’t a Type A or Type B free agent, so the Braves don’t need to provide any compensation to sign him.

Is there any analysis out there regarding the monetary value of draft picks? If the value of draft picks is high, it seems like the FA compensation system rewards teams for signing players like Furcal who played at a Type A or Type B level but whose injuries prevented them from accumulating the stats to require compensatory picks. By extension, the system should allow Furcal to seek a more lucrative contract since the acquiring team isn’t paying draft picks on top of the player’s compensation.

Who Goes? Yunel or KJ? Or both...

Nice sign getting Furcal. My gut-call is Yunel gets traded as part of a deal for Peavy or Grienke. Probably Grienke.
Maybe we also trade Kelly for Ludwick or Ankiels? I know Bobby mentioned he wouldnt trade both?

If Yunel is still the centerpiece of a trade to San Diego for Peavy, then I’d say Towers won the staring contest. If KJ is the centerpiece in the same trade, then Wren wins.

But I think we may be seeing another pitcher in a Braves uni instead of Peavy (as much as I covet him). Greinke? possibly. That would be great.

But what if it’s another totally stealth move? Who might it be?

I think it’s got to be Yunel for Greinke. We’ve now spent approx 11m on Vasquez and around 10m on Furcal (assuming this deal gets done). Adding Greinke would mean we’ve gotten the two SPs Wren said we wanted, but we’re still short an OF bat.

If it’s Yunel for Peavy we’d take on Peavy’s salary as well, and most of our available funds would be spent. Greinke is significantly cheaper (for now), allowing us the flexibility to go fill that remaining need.

If we sign Furcal, trade Yunel for Greinke, and then sign Adam Dunn…that’s pretty much the only way I’m going to be happy…

I think you would settle for Burrell too.

No he wouldn’t. Trust me.

If you’re trying to bait me…it’s working.

No I'm not and your not going to like this either. Check out my fanpost I just did.

KJ and Matt Diaz are LF bound.

I made you something

To keep you calm when the anger rises:

Haha…you’re too much…

Didn't you see that picture of him lifting weights?

I’ll give you a moment to think about it and reconsider…

Disturbing pic, to say the least.

It was kind of gross - unless that's your thing

And to see a professional athlete posing like that was weird.

Just say No.

No Burrell please. Dunn is borderline definitely no.

I like the idea of getting Gullien as part of a Grienke deal. Guillens salary is alot lower to. If the Furcal trade happens I can see a Grienke/Gullien deal happening…

You’re against Burrell and Dunn, but you’re okay with Guillen? He doesn’t get on base anywhere near as frequent as the other two, and he hits for far less power. He’s also signed for $12 million the next three years.

Yep

Salary aside, Gullien has the upside. Kinda like the Javier Vasquez deal. Both were unhappy with there situation. Gullien could shine if he’s happy. Plus he’s a right-handed bat familiar with batting 4th.

No…Guillen does not have the upside. He’s older than Dunn and he’s already entered into his decline phase. Dunn is still in the middle of his prime, and if we were to sign him we’d have him in his prime for another two years. Guillen’s also coming off a season in which he took a free pass in just barely 4% on his PAs…Dunn took one in like 20%.

Making an out is pretty much the worst thing a hitter can do, and Guillen does it way more than Dunn.

Well...

From what have been reading Dunn is not on the Brave radar. Kinda like Sheets isnt. For some reason Dunn is viewed as a no-sign.

Another factor to look at is Gullien fielding and arm.

I know that the Braves aren’t looking at Dunn, but that doesn’t mean they are right in doing so.

I did look at Guillen’s fielding, and it’s really bad. 10 in both LF and RF last season based on +/. Adam Dunn was rated at -12 and -11 on the same scale, so it’s not a big difference in favor of Guillen.

Hmm…not sure why that text is struck out…didn’t mean to do that.

Yunel

I remember something about additude issues with Escobar. Cox wasnt to pleased with him early-on last year. Prior to that Yunel wouldnt move to 2b in the minors to advance his career. Me thinks the Braves trade Yunel with future issues oblivated.

Yes….Yunel was supposedly scared to turn a double play from the 2nd base position having the runner sliding into him.

It's a matter of comfort

Didn’t see that one coming.

Now ESPN...

…is stating that we havn’t reached the agreement yet.

I think it's easy to assume that we just took our available budget down to 19-23 million

With that said it’s almost certain that we have the framework for a young inexpensive pitcher in place.

Another Point: I think with the addition of Furcal Wren is trying to get some leadership in the clubhouse for the youth. Chipper, Furcal, Smoltz, will talk about the good days and teach the playoff mentality that is needed. Vazquez is a veteran but hasn’t really won anything. Smoltz is getting so old guys like Reyes and others could write them off as the grandparents that always have a story but are hard to relate too.

I like the move if another follows.

I like the move less if we keep KJ and Escobar and Platoon Diaz and KJ in left. I like the idea that when furcal sits down for a rest we shift KJ back to 2B and put schafer at the lead off spot. I like when Chipper sits down furcal can be shifted to 3B and KJ can go to 2B. It brings a versatility. However, that means were going to settle for the likes of Garland, Japanese senior Citizen, Wolf, etc……

Is Wren thinking about trade deadline next summer? Is he just stocking talent to have bargaining power next year? Think about this Oswalt, Peavy, and Greinke could all be up for grabs by the deadline this year. It’s actually very likely. So even if he doesn’t do anything now is he betting that he can get them later?

Classic Braves style. Bam!!!!!!!! I posted this last night.

<Something Big is going to happen before Christmas next week. No sources, no quotes, no links. Just intuition. It feels like the calm before the storm.>

Damn I tried the block quote thing again and it didn't work. I suck.

Just highlight your text in the comment field and hit the quote button.

Please tell me Grienke is on his way to Atlanta and not Paul Maholm. I’m scared because we deal with Pitt so much and seemingly have a good relationship with their front office. Yunel is 10 times as valuable as any of their starting pitchers. If Grienke is on the way, I would be ecstatic depending on the package we are sending.

It's a done deal
The Atlanta Braves have reached preliminary agreement on a multiyear contract with free agent shortstop Rafael Furcal, a baseball source told ESPN.com’s Jerry Crasnick.


The deal is pending completion of a physical exam.
A (dumb) question

Is there any chance Furcal goes to 3rd and Chipper moves back to LF?

I would say about a 99.99999 chance that that would Not Happen
Did you mean 100% chance that doesn't happen. Good, that's what thought.

I think that LF is worse on Chipper’s legs than 3B. Don’t think that’s going to happen.

ah ok, I thought I had heard when he was hurt that 3B was harder on his body and I didn’t understand why that would be the case. I probably just heard wrong.

I thought his move to LF was more to facilitate Vinny Castilla, but who knows…I could be wrong as well.

Please…don’t bring that up. Its a sore subject.

Facilitate Vinny Castilla…holy Pujols what were we thinking.

Was it Castilla? I thought he moved to LF for The Big Cat.

It was Castilla

There was a discussion a while back about how Castilla was a failure everywhere in his career but Colorado, where he was always 25+HR, 100RBI guy there.

This move imo

Is more of an indication that Kelly will be traded instead of Yunel. I’m not saying Kelly isn’t a good player and would not be missed, but Yunel without question has the higher ceiling. Also, could you imagine the Braves range Yunel and Furcal would cover up the middle? OMFG

The fact that Yunel has a higer ceiling indicates that he is more likely to be traded I would say. If the braves are trying to add an Ace who has more value in trade? Yunel and that is why his name, not Kelly’s has been thrown about in rumored trades for Peavy and Greinke etc.

maybe escobar

really rubbed someone on the coaching staff/front office the wrong way? or maybe they know something we don’t about his skill set? because other than that, i don’t see the rush to trade a potential franchise up the middle guy for years to come. and i don’t think the braves would pay that much for furcal to not play the premium posiition he excels at.

I agree Yunel has to be the guy in one of these trade outlines that Wren was talking about. No reason to pay Furcal so much to play 2B

I agree

Not only are they paying him too much money but he has way to good of an arm to sit at 2B.

Not to pick on you

but Escobar has pretty much the same cannon. Wouldn’t it also be wasted at 2B? I know, I know … he’s likely to be traded …

If the idea is to sign a 2B

They would have tried to sign Orlando Hudson – although his OPS is only about 30 points higher than KJ at $6 – $8 million extra per season.

You think his improved D makes up the extra cash?

You might be right about that

But I don’t have the ability or the inclination to do the actual number crunching. I nominate Victor or 17843 for that job.

his defensive numbers have actually decreased over the past 2 years…no idea about all those SEXY numbers certain people use, but RF & ZR and the standard metrics all look worse

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